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Obama: Palestinian State Must Be Based on 1967 Borders

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samsmart said:
Well, considering that the U.S. has always been a major negotiator between Israel and Palestine, I think our government should have some kind of definite policy position if only so that our diplomats have a common goal to work towards. I'm not commenting on the position itself - just the fact that the U.S. government has a position.
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Well, I have been hearing of a letter from 2004 that was endorsed by both houses in Congress that in effect the US would never call for this. Now, as predictably, and sadly so Obama once again throws Israel under the bus, and sides with their enemies, effectively calling for Israel to give up yet more land before any negotiations....With friends like that.....Well, you know the rest...I hope Israel tells Obama to jam it.


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Obama needs to be taking a hard stand against Hamas, they are the ones obstructing peace. I don't understand why he and others feel the need to single out Israel while Hamas launches rockets at schools and homes. Negotiations should happen, not an Israeli surrender resulting in a militant Palestinian nation.
 
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j-mac said:
Do you support Hamas?

j-mac
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Way to play the ol game of wrap around and connect the dots.
No i do not support Hamas but i support the PLO and the idea of establishing a two state solution based on the 1967 borders.
 
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You need to look at who he has surrounded himself with....and who his friends are...he has no use for Israel...and sides against them at every turn.

He better hurry with the rest of his agenda, 2012 is coming.

digsbe said:
Obama needs to be taking a hard stand against Hamas, they are the ones obstructing peace. I don't understand why he and others feel the need to single out Israel while Hamas launches rockets at schools and homes. Negotiations should happen, not an Israeli surrender resulting in a militant Palestinian nation.
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Just to clarify, Obama said that the State of Palestine should be "based on" the 1967 borders, not that those had to be the exact borders. I agree with that. Generally speaking, the State of Palestine should consist of the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) and the Gaza Strip. But there will almost certainly need to be some land swaps.

I wish that Obama wasn't so cold to the idea of a unilateral declaration of independence by Palestine this September; negotiations have gone nowhere for 20 years (yes, partially due to the Palestinians themselves). I hope that Obama can be persuaded to recognize the new state of Palestine in September.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
I think Obama certainly does support Israel still. I just think he believes that these people have a right to their state...
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Israel disagrees. Obama's meeting tomorrow will be heated.

PM slams Obama call for

"Those borders are not defensible," PM rages as he flies off to Washington; Palestinian state must not come "at Israel’s expense"; US President urges resumed talks, focused on territory, security.

'Obama adopting Arafat

Barack Hussein Obama adopted Yasser Arafat’s staged plan for Israel’s destruction, and he is trying to force it on our prime minister,” Likud MK Danny Danon said. “All that was new in the speech was that he called for Israel to return to 1967 borders without solving the crisis. Netanyahu has only one option: Tell Obama to forget about it.”

Environment Minister Gilad Erdan, also from the Likud, who as a minister close to Netanyahu must be more diplomatic, said on Channel 2 that according to Obama’s approach, the Palestinians would receive what they were demanding on borders before negotiations begin.

“Once they have everything from the start, they have no reason to make any concessions,” Erdan said.


Israel Expects Obama to Take Back

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu was quick on the draw Thursday in voicing clear displeasure with President Barack Obama’s mideast policy speech.
“Israel appreciates President Obama’s commitment to peace,” the response began, curtly. “Israel believes that for peace to endure between Israelis and Palestinians, the viability of a Palestinian state cannot come at the expense of the viability of the one and only Jewish state.”

“That is why Prime Minister Netanyahu expects to hear a reaffirmation from President Obama of U.S. commitments made to Israel in 2004, which were overwhelmingly supported by both Houses of Congress.”

“Among other things,” Netanyahu reminded Obama, “those commitments relate to Israel not having to withdraw to the 1967 lines which are both indefensible and which would leave major Israeli population centers in Judea and Samaria beyond those lines.”
 
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Obama is inept at everything from what I can see and he needs to leave Israel alone. He doesn't have the intelligence to be telling another Nation what to do.

Obama is so far the least qualified person to ever hold his job, and he really needs to go before he does permanent damage in the world that can't be repaired with brains and logic.
 
donsutherland1 said:
First, I will note that I strongly oppose reverting to the 1967 boundaries. Those borders were not secure. They were temporary armistice lines. Nothing more.

Second, and more importantly, the speech did not call for a return to those boundaries. It followed the widely-accepted formula of a solution "based on" those borders. From the speech (and I underlined the key phrase in question):



Remarks of President Barack Obama--As Prepared for Delivery--"A Moment of Opportunity" | The White House

And, if one wants a separate source, the CBS News transcript can be found at:

President Obama's Middle East speech (full text) - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
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Thats not what I heard and that is not what Israel heard. I heard Obama say go back to 1967 borders.
 
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Of course we ALL agree that ALL of the Muslim and Arab States STARTING with Palestine shoiuld recognize Israel as a State...I mean that just goes without saying.
 
Whovian said:
your thoughts???
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my thoughts are that they better listen to him. this is the guy who rapelled out of a blackhawk helicopter and killed Osama All By Himself, after all


A Trend Continues

. . . Two years ago in Cairo, I began to broaden our engagement based upon mutual interests and mutual respect.

. . . Our support for these principles is not a secondary interest — today I am making it clear that it is a top priority that must be translated into concrete actions, and supported by all of the diplomatic, economic and strategic tools at our disposal.

. . . As I said when the United States joined an international coalition to intervene, we cannot prevent every injustice perpetrated by a regime against its people, and we have learned from our experience in Iraq just how costly and difficult it is to impose regime change by force — no matter how well-intended it may be.

. . . We will continue to make good on the commitments that I made in Cairo — to build networks of entrepreneurs, and expand exchanges in education; to foster cooperation in science and technology, and combat disease.

. . . My Administration has worked with the parties and the international community for over two years to end this conflict, yet expectations have gone unmet. Israeli settlement activity continues. Palestinians have walked away from talks.

. . . Indeed, there are those who argue that with all the change and uncertainty in the region, it is simply not possible to move forward. I disagree.

. . . And I would not be standing here today unless past generations turned to the moral force of non-violence as a way to perfect our union...
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No wonder the Twitter hashtag for Obama’s remarks is “#mespeech.”
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
I really do not see what the big deal over this.
I agree with Obama 100% on this one.

Here is the speech and what not.
YouTube - ‪Obama Endorses Key Palestinian Border Demand, Pledges Aid to Egypt, Tunisia‬‏
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What right do the Palestinians have to a state when their avowed goal is the destruction of Israel. When they have attacked and killed Israelis, men, women, children, soldiers & civilians for nearly 60 years. They don't deserve a state at all. The only reason to let them have one is if it will put an end to the warfare and terrorism. That doesn't seem to be happening.
 
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Councilman said:
Obama is inept at everything from what I can see and he needs to leave Israel alone. He doesn't have the intelligence to be telling another Nation what to do.
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Isnt Israel pretty much the US?
Dont they just beg for our support?

Obama is so far the least qualified person to ever hold his job, and he really needs to go before he does permanent damage in the world that can't be repaired with brains and logic.
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:roll:
 
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ric27 said:
What right do the Palestinians have to a state when their avowed goal is the destruction of Israel. When they have attacked and killed Israelis, men, women, children, soldiers & civilians for nearly 60 years. They don't deserve a state at all. The only reason to let them have one is if it will put an end to the warfare and terrorism. That doesn't seem to be happening.
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Actually, it has been much longer than 60 years. The organized campaigns of terrorism against Jews began in 1920.
 
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Councilman said:
Obama is inept at everything from what I can see and he needs to leave Israel alone. He doesn't have the intelligence to be telling another Nation what to do.
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The US basically pays Israel's military budget. Therefore our president absolutely does have a right to tell them what to do. I'll tell you what...Obama can "leave Israel alone" and not interfere in their disputes if Congress agrees to cut off military aid to Israel. Deal?
 
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ric27 said:
What right do the Palestinians have to a state when their avowed goal is the destruction of Israel.
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Soo all Palestnians want to whipe Israel off the map?
I think the vast majority and i mean VAST MAJORITY recognize the State of Israel at the 1967 borders... Palestinina political parties have stated this. Its a land issue more or less.

When they have attacked and killed Israelis, men, women, children, soldiers & civilians for nearly 60 years.
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One can say Israel has done the same thing but a much larger number to the Palestinians...

They don't deserve a state at all. The only reason to let them have one is if it will put an end to the warfare and terrorism. That doesn't seem to be happening.
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Your a genius!
 
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and of course YOU believe that the entire world should recognize Israel as a State, correct?

Kandahar said:
The US basically pays Israel's military budget. Therefore our president absolutely does have a right to tell them what to do. I'll tell you what...Obama can "leave Israel alone" and not interfere in their disputes if Congress agrees to cut off military aid to Israel. Deal?
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Amazed said:
So you support world wide recognition of Israel as a State, correct?
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Yes but i also support a state for Palestine at the 1967 borders...
Israel does have a right to exist...
 
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Then NO negotiations with ANYONE until they ALL recognize Israel....how can Syria, Palestine...Lebanon or ANYONE negotiate with an unrecognized entity....

As an aside, Syria NEVER gets the Golan back, NEVER.


Kandahar said:
Yes?
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Amazed said:
Then ANY and ALL negotiations MUST start there, sorry, ball is in their hands.
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Did the PLO not recognizes Israels right to exist? Did the PLO in 1993 not recognize the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security?
 
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So realy what is going to happen if we give Palestinians a state? A hell storm of terror will reign down?
 
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