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Simpleχity;1065894322 said:Obama has been the US president now for eight years. This isn't his first foreign junket.
50,000 US servicemen perished fighting the Communist forces of Ho Chi Minh.
Obama and his advisers were certainly aware that Ho loomed large in this photo-op.
50,000 US servicemen perished because their nation betrayed them by inserting them into another nation's civil war. It had absolutely nothing to do with defending America and the blame lies 100% on our politicians during the 60's and early 70's.
The president's job is to meet with leaders of foreign nations, and seeing as how they won the war, they can proudly display any statue they damn well please, but I guess you'll whine and blame Obama for just about anything.
Well actually, I don't know if the US betrayed them per se, but they certainly inserted them into a useless war which we had no business being in. A whole bunch of American soldiers died for absolutely no reason at all.50,000 US servicemen perished because their nation betrayed them by inserting them into another nation's civil war. It had absolutely nothing to do with defending America and the blame lies 100% on our politicians during the 60's and early 70's.
The president's job is to meet with leaders of foreign nations, and seeing as how they won the war, they can proudly display any statue they damn well please, but I guess you'll whine and blame Obama for just about anything.
The only way the US betrayed the servicemen was not committing to win the war.
The only way the US betrayed the servicemen was not committing to win the war.
Well actually, I don't know if the US betrayed them per se, but they certainly inserted them into a useless war which we had no business being in. A whole bunch of American soldiers died for absolutely no reason at all.
Simpleχity;1065894322 said:
US President Barack Obama and Vietnamese President Tran DaiQuang shake hands in Hanoi | 24 May 2016
Obama has been the US president now for eight years. This isn't his first foreign junket.
50,000 US servicemen perished fighting the Communist forces of Ho Chi Minh.
Obama and his advisers were certainly aware that Ho loomed large in this photo-op.
Sending other men to die for absolutely no reason at all is pretty much the definition of a betrayal.
Simpleχity;1065894322 said:
US President Barack Obama and Vietnamese President Tran DaiQuang shake hands in Hanoi | 24 May 2016
Obama has been the US president now for eight years. This isn't his first foreign junket.
50,000 US servicemen perished fighting the Communist forces of Ho Chi Minh.
Obama and his advisers were certainly aware that Ho loomed large in this photo-op.
Simpleχity;1065894322 said:Obama has been the US president now for eight years. This isn't his first foreign junket.
50,000 US servicemen perished fighting the Communist forces of Ho Chi Minh.
Obama and his advisers were certainly aware that Ho loomed large in this photo-op.
Correct in part, if one is going to fight a war they need to ensure that they are doing so for the right reasons and fight it to win. The part that Always gets overlooked is that Ho came to the US for assistance to overthrow the dictatorship in Vietnam and we turned him away, the war could have been avoided completely if we had simply used our heads.
I was half expecting this to be about Obama posing for a pic with a hooker.
When? The precursors of the Viet Cong---then called the Viet Minh, if I recall correctly---did cooperate with the OSS against Japanese forces in Indochina. But then again, we collaborated with Stalin as well back then. Now, I'm not saying Ho Chi Minh was as bad as Stalin; I'm merely pointing out that during the Second World War necessity had us making deals with some shifty characters.
The argument that the NVA and VC were some kind of freedom fighters is shifty at best considering how they were fighting for a regime which was at least as bad---at the time---as the South Vietnamese one. But then again, Ho was a master at using nationalism to support his cause, which technically he wasn't supposed to do if you were following strictly the communist version of dogma.
This was a fascinating article, for all who are interested: 8 Things Vietnam War Movies Leave Out (By an Enemy Soldier)
But all things considered the Vietnamese Communists are nowhere near as nasty as say, China had been in terms of cracking down on personal freedoms.
dont put yourself in the position of a judge on such international issues.you were not even alive and are still too young to judge one's defensive wars in the name of your concept of democracy'.
50,000 US servicemen perished because their nation betrayed them by inserting them into another nation's civil war. It had absolutely nothing to do with defending America and the blame lies 100% on our politicians during the 60's and early 70's.
The president's job is to meet with leaders of foreign nations, and seeing as how they won the war, they can proudly display any statue they damn well please, but I guess you'll whine and blame Obama for just about anything.
So you're of the opinion that America should be inserting itself into every civil war around the world and letting American servicemen bleed and die for the political quibbles of other nations? Have you ever been to the Vietnam memorial in DC? It's powerful. You just keep walking, and walking, and walking and at some point you just get overcome with the magnitude of it all, and now you want to tell us we should've sacrificed many more?
50,000 dead Americans with 50,000 devastated families, over something that had absolutely nothing to do with us whatsoever. If that's not betrayal, nothing is.
It is a little funny considering his aversion to being seen any where there are Christian symbols prominently displayed, including Catholic universities.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/04/obama-notre-dame-georgetown.html
Ho fell in with the communists because they were willing to help him, he himself while being socialistic in ideology was no communist, at least in the beginning. Personally I am glad to see the US and Vietnam becoming closer in relations and for me the best method to fight communist ideology is a good dose of capitalism hand in hand with a democratic form of government.When? The precursors of the Viet Cong---then called the Viet Minh, if I recall correctly---did cooperate with the OSS against Japanese forces in Indochina. But then again, we collaborated with Stalin as well back then. Now, I'm not saying Ho Chi Minh was as bad as Stalin; I'm merely pointing out that during the Second World War necessity had us making deals with some shifty characters.
The argument that the NVA and VC were some kind of freedom fighters is shifty at best considering how they were fighting for a regime which was at least as bad---at the time---as the South Vietnamese one. But then again, Ho was a master at using nationalism to support his cause, which technically he wasn't supposed to do if you were following strictly the communist version of dogma.
This was a fascinating article, for all who are interested: 8 Things Vietnam War Movies Leave Out (By an Enemy Soldier)
But all things considered the Vietnamese Communists are nowhere near as nasty as say, China had been in terms of cracking down on personal freedoms.
Simpleχity;1065894322 said:
US President Barack Obama and Vietnamese President Tran DaiQuang shake hands in Hanoi | 24 May 2016
Obama has been the US president now for eight years. This isn't his first foreign junket.
50,000 US servicemen perished fighting the Communist forces of Ho Chi Minh.
Obama and his advisers were certainly aware that Ho loomed large in this photo-op.
The only way the US betrayed the servicemen was not committing to win the war.
Well actually, I don't know if the US betrayed them per se, but they certainly inserted them into a useless war which we had no business being in. A whole bunch of American soldiers died for absolutely no reason at all.
When you handcuff your troops while sending them into harms way, you are writing their execution orders.
Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan are perfect examples.
You do not win ground wars by handing out participation trophy's. You win ground wars by grinding the enemy into a greasy spot.
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