Obama: A year to Election Day, numbers good and bad

[AdamT]

Oh, I forgot to add partisan hack to liar and bold face liar that I have been called today.

As you reap....

 

[Redress]

Without context data is pretty meaningless. If I said, "look at how bad things are, today. 300,000 are unemployed! 10 years ago, only 200,000 people were"... and I forget to mention, amongst other things, that population has tripled in 10 years, the raw numbers are, of course meaningless and dishonest. This is why when one looks at any data, one MUST look beyond just the raw data and assess percentages, statistical analysis, and meanings/causes. You can't just produce numbers and believe that's it.

I started off as a math major in college. Hated Calculus. Always found statistics fascinating since they can help to give meaning to data that doesn't seem to make sense or data that is hard to decipher. I also enjoyed doing research... though I haven't in quite a while.

It goes beyond that with my example. I intentionally made it simplified to illustrate a point. The fact that certain conservatives want to make it complex to avoid the point is telling.

 

[Conservative]

As you reap....

And of course you aren't a partisan hack or a liar, maybe even a bold face liar? Isn't that right OC?

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Here we are three years after Bush left office and you along with other liberas simply cannot get over your BDS. what purpose does that serve? Bush in the liberal world was the devil but what does that have to do with the problems we have today and the Obama results generated. He was in that Congress that helped create the results he says he inherited that we so bad. How could the "smartest" man ever to hold the Presidency not know what was going on?

Ummm... just so you know... from an IQ standpoint, either John Adams, his son, or Thomas Jefferson were probably the smartest men to hold the Presidency.

 

[AdamT]

And of course you aren't a partisan hack or a liar, maybe even a bold face liar? Isn't that right OC?

tut tut. Sticks and stones!

 

[obvious Child]

Got it, you think I am a liar

Correction. I know you are a liar. You quoted me saying the opposite of what you claimed I did. That makes you a liar. A bold face one too. Seriously, quoting something that refutes you point you are about to make is pretty jonesy move considering people can read what you quoted and see that you are directly lying about what that person did/said. I'll retract if you admit you do not read what you quote and simply make up whatever you think the person you quoted said.

Otherwise, you have to prove that you did not lie. I have made my case exceptionally clear. You said I ignore the results yet directly quoted me saying that the economy is a mess. Either you did not read my post or you are a liar. Which it is?

sheik believes I am a liar, most liberals think I am a liar so what purpose would it serve to rebut it. No one ever changes the mind of a liberal especially an arrogant one who knows it all.

This coming from a user who can't even figure out BLS data is cumulative.

Hey, OC says I am a liar and a bold face liar, sure glad to see that isn't a personal attack

Look. I laid out a case, quoting your accusation and my original quote. You have yet to address how what you quoted doesn't refute your own claim about what I said/did.

Haven't seen any percentages that prove me wrong since nothing I post isn't a lie but what would you expect from a liar, a bold face liar. Percentages show you what you want to see and actual data shows what I want to see. What I see of course is a lie and what you see is of course the truth. Got it

If nothing you say is a lie, then why did you accuse me of ignoring the results of the economy yet quote me saying that the economy was a mess? Tell me how quoting me saying the opposite of what you claim I did/said is not a lie.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

because percentage change means nothing to me but they do to liberals because with percentage change there are no faces to the numbers. Easy for a liberal to have so little compassion for percentage change but when you put a human face on those numbers liberals will ignore it as that makes them uncomfortable.

Percentage change means nothing to you because, as an extreme conservative, percentage change factually proves you wrong. Therefore, you must hide from it.

 

[Conservative]

Ummm... just so you know... from an IQ standpoint, either John Adams, his son, or Thomas Jefferson were probably the smartest men to hold the Presidency.

Better tell that to many in the media who obviously have never taken a history course for it is these media types calling Obama the smartest man to ever hold the office. I don't think it takes a lot of intellgence to fool some of the people I have seen here or in the media.

regarding your percentage debate, wonder how many people are going to vote in 2012 based upon percentage change vs. actual numbers? Hmmm, we shall see.

 

[haymarket]

Really it boils down to you and he being on the same side of every issue.

And did I miss the part where you provided by positions on these issues along with the identical Obama position?

And you completely missed the point in answering Conservatives question.

 

[Conservative]

Percentage change means nothing to you because, as an extreme conservative, percentage change factually proves you wrong. Therefore, you must hide from it.

Exactly right, they mean nothing to me and I'll bet to very few when they vote in 2012 but rather will vote on the trillions added to the debt, millions unemployed, rising misery index but if it makes you feel good to focus on percentage change no problem, keep selling that to all those other math majors out there that seem to be book smart and street stupid.

 

[obvious Child]

And of course you aren't a partisan hack or a liar, maybe even a bold face liar? Isn't that right OC?

I don't quote people and say they said the exact opposite of what they said. You do.

Furthermore, I have gone on record at least two dozen times here saying Obama is a Bush Clone.

Tell me how criticizing Obama for the same things I hit Bush on makes me a partisan hack. Or just run away like you normally do.

 

[haymarket]

Is it possible that the same 47% who pay no federal income taxes might also believe that it is all President Bush's fault? After all, one mustn't blame their benefactor? What do you think?

What we do know and can prove is that those demonized 47% are indeed President Bush's fault with a sizable chunk of them coming from his very own 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. 93% of the YES votes to pass both came from Republicans.

 

[Conservative]

Correction. I know you are a liar. You quoted me saying the opposite of what you claimed I did. That makes you a liar. A bold face one too. Seriously, quoting something that refutes you point you are about to make is pretty jonesy move considering people can read what you quoted and see that you are directly lying about what that person did/said. I'll retract if you admit you do not read what you quote and simply make up whatever you think the person you quoted said.

Otherwise, you have to prove that you did not lie. I have made my case exceptionally clear. You said I ignore the results yet directly quoted me saying that the economy is a mess. Either you did not read my post or you are a liar. Which it is?



This coming from a user who can't even figure out BLS data is cumulative.



Look. I laid out a case, quoting your accusation and my original quote. You have yet to address how what you quoted doesn't refute your own claim about what I said/did.



If nothing you say is a lie, then why did you accuse me of ignoring the results of the economy yet quote me saying that the economy was a mess? Tell me how quoting me saying the opposite of what you claim I did/said is not a lie.

Since you have called me a liar and a bold faced one at that, it serves no purpose to waste time responding to any of your posts. Hope you can find someone to fuel that massive ego of yours. Good luck with that.

 

[Redress]

Exactly right, they mean nothing to me and I'll bet to very few when they vote in 2012 but rather will vote on the trillions added to the debt, millions unemployed, rising misery index but if it makes you feel good to focus on percentage change no problem, keep selling that to all those other math majors out there that seem to be book smart and street stupid.

I think most people have had junior high school math, so they will actually know the importance of ratios and percentages and such. You might want to take a elementary math class to help you understand.

 

[Conservative]

What we do know and can prove is that those demonized 47% are indeed President Bush's fault with a sizable chunk of them coming from his very own 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. 93% of the YES votes to pass both came from Republicans.

You don't seem to get it, most conservatives don't believe we have a revenue problem but instead a spending problem. If the govt. got down to where it belongs at around 1.5 trillion dollars would we have a revenue problem?

 

[Redress]

Since you have called me a liar and a bold faced one at that, it serves no purpose to waste time responding to any of your posts. Hope you can find someone to fuel that massive ego of yours. Good luck with that.

You call people names constantly. You also responded to his post.

 

[obvious Child]

Since you have called me a liar and a bold faced one at that, it serves no purpose to waste time responding to any of your posts. Hope you can find someone to fuel that massive ego of yours. Good luck with that.

Why am I not surprised you have nothing to offer?

I present a very logical, very evidence based argument proving my point. You present nothing to counter any point I make. I then offer you a chance to stop being called a liar by admitting you did not read the quote. You refuse to take it. So therefore, you accept being a liar as you refuse to refute the accusation against you with evidence and you refuse to take the offer. There are no other options here.

 

[obvious Child]

You call people names constantly. You also responded to his post.

Indeed. It is assumed that someone who quotes a post has read it. Therefore, any statements directly contrary to what was stated in the quote about the person/quote without a substantiating argument supporting them can and will be argued to be proof of lying.

 

[Conservative]

I think most people have had junior high school math, so they will actually know the importance of ratios and percentages and such. You might want to take a elementary math class to help you understand.

Great, making a good list here, liar, bold face liar, partisan hack, now lacking a junior high school math or elementary math education are all words or phases used to describe me today. Sure glad to know that none of those are personal attacks which of course this forum frowns on.

 

[Redress]

Great, making a good list here, liar, bold face liar, partisan hack, now lacking a junior high school math or elementary math education are all words or phases used to describe me today. Sure glad to know that none of those are personal attacks which of course this forum frowns on.

How many times have you told people to take a civics class? Hundreds?

 

[Conservative]

You call people names constantly. You also responded to his post.

I have received thread bans for a lot less than what I am getting here from a certain Mod which I guess goes to show the double standards here.

 

[randel]

Great, making a good list here, liar, bold face liar, partisan hack, now lacking a junior high school math or elementary math education are all words or phases used to describe me today. Sure glad to know that none of those are personal attacks which of course this forum frowns on.

as ye sow, so shall ye reap

 

[whysoserious]

Indeed. It is assumed that someone who quotes a post has read it. Therefore, any statements directly contrary to what was stated in the quote about the person/quote without a substantiating argument supporting them can and will be argued to be proof of lying.

Meh, Conservative quoted me here simply to tell me that he was not going to bother reading my post.

 

[pbrauer]

Better tell that to many in the media who obviously have never taken a history course for it is these media types calling Obama the smartest man to ever hold the office. I don't think it takes a lot of intellgence to fool some of the people I have seen here or in the media.

regarding your percentage debate, wonder how many people are going to vote in 2012 based upon percentage change vs. actual numbers? Hmmm, we shall see.

Thanks for the strawman argument con.:roll:

 

[Conservative]

Thanks for the strawman argument con.:roll:

You are certainly welcome, I will take any opportunity to educate a liberal. How about those Obama results, aren't they wonderful? Shows what happens when you spend trillions of dollars and expand the role of govt.

I know I am really impressed especially since these numbers on a percentage change basis are outstanding. I know all those millions unemployed and under employed are extremely impressed.

25 million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)154.1 X 16.2% Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
14.8 million unemployed PLUS Discouraged workers Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
2.2 million fewer jobs(bls.gov) Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
4.3 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site) Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual
rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-44% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
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