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NYT: We Were Badly Misled About the Event That Changed Our Lives

MAGAnificent said:
It's not the right that is politicizing science, it's your beloved ultra-left.
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Bull.
Tell you what give examples of the left politicizing science.
Compare that to the right claiming “ fauci needs to go to jail, he’s a criminal etc.
 
MAGAnificent said:
What science and the intelligence community has determined is that it was most likely a lab leak. We will probably never know for sure as the commies in China have not shared the cultures from the original lab workers who died of Covid.
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Tgat again is not true and you were shown it was not.

You are of course welcome to cite the research papers supporting that it was a lab leak.
 
jaeger19 said:
You are of course welcome to cite the research papers supporting that it was a lab leak.
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Until the communist government in China shares the cultures from the lab workers that were the first known infected, your quoted research does not really mean anything.
 
MAGAnificent said:
No worries. I do not take you the least bit seriously either.
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Much like factual information, which I posted and you seem determined to ignore.

COVID most likely came from natural sources. It’s a fact, no matter how much you’d prefer it not to be.
 
MAGAnificent said:
I am not in on any of the investigations against Fauci. I do have an extremely low opinion of him.
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Why?
Why do you have a low opinion of him?
Is it because sure the right has politicized him and science?
Think about it for more than a minute.
 
MAGAnificent said:
Until the communist government in China shares the cultures from the lab workers that were the first known infected, your quoted research does not really mean anything.
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It means a hell of a lot more than your complete lack of evidence.
Without any scientific evidence at all.
You are stating that science has determined it’s a lab leak.

You are basically lying.
 
jaeger19 said:
It means a hell of a lot more than your complete lack of evidence.
Without any scientific evidence at all.
You are stating that science has determined it’s a lab leak.

You are basically lying.
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To be fair, he could just be trolling hard.
 
jaeger19 said:
It means a hell of a lot more than your complete lack of evidence.
Without any scientific evidence at all.
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I agree. No scientific evidence at all....and there probably never will be without Chinese sharing the lab cultures of the infected lab workers with the rest of the world.
jaeger19 said:
You are stating that science has determined it’s a lab leak.
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You are making it up. What I am stating is that the prevailing theory is now a lab leak.
jaeger19 said:
You are basically lying.
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You seem quite frustrated that I do not accept your opinion as the last word. Is it an ego thang?
 
NOLA Dude said:
Since scientists began playing around with dangerous pathogens in laboratories, the world has experienced four or five pandemics, depending on how you count. One of them, the 1977 Russian flu, was almost certainly sparked by a research mishap. Some Western scientists quickly suspected the odd virus had resided in a lab freezer for a couple of decades, but they kept mostly quiet for fear of ruffling feathers.

Yet in 2020, when people started speculating that a laboratory accident might have been the spark that started the Covid-19 pandemic, they were treated like kooks and cranks. Many public health officials and prominent scientists dismissed the idea as a conspiracy theory, insisting that the virus had emerged from animals in a seafood market in Wuhan, China. And when a nonprofit called EcoHealth Alliance lost a grant because it was planning to conduct risky research into bat viruses with the Wuhan Institute of Virology — research that, if conducted with lax safety standards, could have resulted in a dangerous pathogen leaking out into the world — no fewer than 77 Nobel laureates and 31 scientific societies lined up to defend the organization.

So the Wuhan research was totally safe, and the pandemic was definitely caused by natural transmission — it certainly seemed like consensus.

We have since learned, however, that to promote the appearance of consensus, some officials and scientists hid or understated crucial facts, misled at least one reporter, orchestrated campaigns of supposedly independent voices and even compared notes about how to hide their communications in order to keep the public from hearing the whole story. And as for that Wuhan laboratory’s research, the details that have since emerged show that safety precautions might have been terrifyingly lax.

Now they tell us, but most of us knew pretty quickly they were lying to us. People in power who lied to us need to be held responsible.

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Are you trying to make it sound like Fauci encouraged Chinese scientists to spread the virus on purpose?
Regardless whether it was a lab accident, the virus got loose in the world, and whether it got loose in a lab or occurred naturally, it happened IN CHINA, and our chief responsibility was to mitigate the spread to the rest of the world while vaccine work commenced as quickly as possible, something your posting history suggests was also the wrong idea.

I get the impression that vaccines are wrong in your world, and that Fauci is some evil mastermind.
Correct me if I am misjudging your outlook on the issue.
 
NOLA Dude said:
Since scientists began playing around with dangerous pathogens in laboratories, the world has experienced four or five pandemics, depending on how you count. One of them, the 1977 Russian flu, was almost certainly sparked by a research mishap. Some Western scientists quickly suspected the odd virus had resided in a lab freezer for a couple of decades, but they kept mostly quiet for fear of ruffling feathers.

Yet in 2020, when people started speculating that a laboratory accident might have been the spark that started the Covid-19 pandemic, they were treated like kooks and cranks. Many public health officials and prominent scientists dismissed the idea as a conspiracy theory, insisting that the virus had emerged from animals in a seafood market in Wuhan, China. And when a nonprofit called EcoHealth Alliance lost a grant because it was planning to conduct risky research into bat viruses with the Wuhan Institute of Virology — research that, if conducted with lax safety standards, could have resulted in a dangerous pathogen leaking out into the world — no fewer than 77 Nobel laureates and 31 scientific societies lined up to defend the organization.

So the Wuhan research was totally safe, and the pandemic was definitely caused by natural transmission — it certainly seemed like consensus.

We have since learned, however, that to promote the appearance of consensus, some officials and scientists hid or understated crucial facts, misled at least one reporter, orchestrated campaigns of supposedly independent voices and even compared notes about how to hide their communications in order to keep the public from hearing the whole story. And as for that Wuhan laboratory’s research, the details that have since emerged show that safety precautions might have been terrifyingly lax.

Now they tell us, but most of us knew pretty quickly they were lying to us. People in power who lied to us need to be held responsible.

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My honest assessment is similar to what the author expresses, which is that a lab leak theory is very plausible. Still, there's been no definitive proof, and if we found the smoking gun, I think the public health guidance, though certainly imperfect, saved lives, which is the important thing. It was a dangerous virus, and it remains so for people with compromised immunity. If public health officials overreacted, they did so out of concern for making sure that the healthcare system functioned and remained accessible in case of emergencies, be it COVID or something else.
 
MAGAnificent said:
As usual, you are making it up as you go along. You do not have the foggiest idea. You just go along with other libruls.
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I literally provided you with a current analysis that surveyed scientists opinions.

You provided your own amateur and obviously idiotic position.
 
MAGAnificent said:
You are making it up. What I am stating is that the prevailing theory is now a lab leak.
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And once again, multiple people are telling you you're wrong. And they are bringing evidence, unlike you.

Its kinda starting to just look like low effort trolling, tbh
 
MAGAnificent said:
Originally, I held him in high regard. His initial false claims that the US was not involved with gain of function research at the Wuhan lab soured me on him.
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Why are you concerned about gain of function.?
 
MAGAnificent said:
I agree. No scientific evidence at all....and there probably never will be without Chinese sharing the lab cultures of the infected lab workers with the rest of the world.

You are making it up. What I am stating is that the prevailing theory is now a lab leak.

You seem quite frustrated that I do not accept your opinion as the last word. Is it an ego thang?
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No. YOU don’t have scientific evidence.
I however do
Tge current best scientific evidence from dna sampling , from zoonotic studies , etc
Suggests that it was of a zoonotic origin and not a lab leak.

A Critical Analysis of the Evidence for the SARS-CoV-2 Origin Hypotheses​

“The best existing scientific evidence supports a direct zoonotic origin.”


Oh no. There is no frustration on my part.
I just wish you anti vaxxers wouldn’t lie.
The prevailing scientific theory is that it WAS NOT A LAB LEAK .
You are literally killing people with your lies
 
jaeger19 said:
Why are you concerned about gain of function.?
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Easy. If the Covid pandemic started with a lab leak at the Wuhan Lab, it was due to poorly run gain of function research. And it the US was in any way involved, even just financially, your little buddy Dr Fauci is complicit at some level.
 
jaeger19 said:
No. YOU don’t have scientific evidence.
I however do
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No, you absolutely do not.
jaeger19 said:
Tge current best scientific evidence from dna sampling , from zoonotic studies , etc
Suggests that it was of a zoonotic origin and not a lab leak.
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Without the original lab cultures from the infected lab workers or a proven host animal, you are just pissing in the wind..
jaeger19 said:
Oh no. There is no frustration on my part.
I just wish you anti vaxxers wouldn’t lie.
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You just told a lie yourself. I am not and have never been an anti-vaxxer. I have personally taken six Covid vaccine jabs. How many have you taken. I am anti-vaccine mandate. I think it should be up to each individual where or not to take it. When you assume that everyone who does not agree with mandates is an anti-vaxxer, you really do not appear intelligent.
jaeger19 said:
The prevailing scientific theory is that it WAS NOT A LAB LEAK .
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It's not just about scientific evidence. Without the original cultures or at least a verified host animal, the intelligence agencies have a say as well.
jaeger19 said:
You are literally killing people with your lies
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Not a rational statement.
 
NOLA Dude said:
Look how the lefties go partisan right away in reaction to this huge admission from the NYT.

Shouldn't we all be angry that we were lied to about something that killed millions?
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were we lied to or were given what was known at the time. If the lying was on purpose then yes, be angry.

Do you feel the same way when a President tells us there are 15 cases and soon to be near zero? Should we be angry?
 
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