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NYT: We Were Badly Misled About the Event That Changed Our Lives

Easy. If the Covid pandemic started with a lab leak at the Wuhan Lab, it was due to poorly run gain of function research. And it the US was in any way involved, even just financially, your little buddy Dr Fauci is complicit at some level.
Why would you say it was due to gain of function. Please explain how it would be due to gain of function.
Then explain how it would directly be faucis fault?
 
Why would you say it was due to gain of function. Please explain how it would be due to gain of function.
Gain of function research was in fact going on at the time of the outbreak. if it was a lab leak, I suspect you can work it out.
Then explain how it would directly be faucis fault?
I did not say it was his fault. I only pointed out that he is Complicite.
 
No, you absolutely do not.
I absolutely do. I just cited it.
Without the original lab cultures from the infected lab workers or a proven host animal, you are just pissing in the wind..
Bs. That’s complete bs.
You just told a lie yourself. I am not and have never been an anti-vaxxer.
Sure you are. We’ve established that already.
You follow the anti vaxxer bs and you repeat their lies.

I have personally taken six Covid vaccine jabs. How many have you taken. I am anti-vaccine mandate. I think it should be up to each individual where or not to take it. When you assume that everyone who does not agree with mandates is an anti-vaxxer, you really do not appear intelligent.
See above.
It's not just about scientific evidence. Without the original cultures or at least a verified host animal, the intelligence agencies have a say as well.
Yes it is about science. Intelligence agencies most CERTAINLY have agendas . Certainly an intelligence service will lie to make another nation look bad and frankly it’s understandable.
Not a rational statement.
Completely rational.
 
Gain of function research was in fact going on at the time of the outbreak. if it was a lab leak, I suspect you can work it out.
Awesome. Explain exactly what gain of function was occuring and how it would cause covid.
In fact explain in detail what gain in function is.

I did not say it was his fault. I only pointed out that he is Complicite.
Great. Explain how he would be complicit.
 
Sure you are. We’ve established that already.
You follow the anti vaxxer bs and you repeat their lies.
That is a very immature take on the vaccine issue. Which part of I have taken six Covid vaccine jabs did you not understand? I also take the flu shot every year, had the RSV vaccine early this year, I have taken both Shingrix shots, and all three Pneumonia vaccines. If you are truly in the medical field, then I sincerely want to believe that you are intellectual enough to work out that I am not an anti-vaxxer. Anti-mandate does not equate to antivaxx. You really need to stop thinking in authoritarian terms. Mandates are not necessary to gain enough compliance for herd immunity.
Yes it is about science. Intelligence agencies most CERTAINLY have agendas . Certainly an intelligence service will lie to make another nation look bad and frankly it’s understandable.
TDS projection.
 
That is a very immature take on the vaccine issue. Which part of I have taken six Covid vaccine jabs did you not understand? I
When you repeat anti vaxxers nonsense and spread disinformation that kills people . You reap what you sow there anti vaxxer.

also take the flu shot every year, had the RSV vaccine early this year, I have taken both Shingrix shots, and all three Pneumonia vaccines. If you are truly in the medical field, then I sincerely want to believe that you are intellectual enough to work out that I am not an anti-vaxxer. Anti-mandate does not equate to antivaxx. You really need to stop thinking in authoritarian terms. Mandates are not necessary to gain enough compliance for herd immunity
Propagating the anti vaxxers lies as you do is what prevents us from reaching herd immunity.

TDS projection
No silly , it has nothing to do with trump.
Calm YOUR tds down.
 
I already have.
No you didn’t , nor did you explain exactly what gain of function research is , what type of gain of function was going on in wuhan and how fauci would be implicit in a lab leak.
 
When you repeat anti vaxxers nonsense and spread disinformation that kills people . You reap what you sow there anti vaxxer.
I am beginning to doubt that you are in the medical profession. Anyone that smart should be able to work out that you can be pro-vaccine and anti-mandate at the same time. You are far too much into an authoritarian mindset.
Propagating the anti vaxxers lies as you do is what prevents us from reaching herd immunity.
Look who is talking. You still have not admitted that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris were the first public anti-vaxxers.
No silly , it has nothing to do with trump.
Calm YOUR tds down.
Calm down your TDS.
 
No you didn’t , nor did you explain exactly what gain of function research is , what type of gain of function was going on in wuhan and how fauci would be implicit in a lab leak.



 



What I thought. People not understanding gain of function asserting gain of function research was being done through nih grants.

Tell me exactly what gain of function is and exactly what experiments were done under nih grants.
 
What I thought. People not understanding gain of function asserting gain of function research was being done through nih grants.

Tell me exactly what gain of function is and exactly what experiments were done under nih grants.
That you now admitting that gain of function research was occurring in the Wuhan lab is enough. Your attempts to play professor and quiz me on the particulars is not going to rescue you from the probability of a lab leak causing the pandemic.
 
That you now admitting that gain of function research was occurring in the Wuhan lab is enough. Your attempts to play professor and quiz me on the particulars is not going to rescue you from the probability of a lab leak causing the pandemic.
Actual no. See you don’t know what gain of function research is. Most people don’t. So it’s quite easy for them to say “ gain of function “ on research that is not gain of function .
Thats what you don’t get. You don’t know what gain of function is but assume the people yelping about it at wuhan do know what it is.

Clearly you nor many of the people in your article don’t know. Mr Rand there clearly didn’t know what he was talking about .
It’s like when the right claims that death certificates were modified to say COVID “ because hospitals got paid more if you died of COVID”
Lmao. You righties repeat this lie over and over and have no clue that hospitals don’t get paid based on what you die of.

It’s the same with gain of function
 
. See you don’t know what gain of function research is.
Projection from the same librul who lacks the intellectual ability to distinguish between anti-mandate and anti-vaxx
It’s like when the right claims that death certificates were modified to say COVID “
That in fact did occur. Many who died with covid rather than of covid were counted as covid deaths. I don't think the death certificates were modified.
 
Projection from the same librul who lacks the intellectual ability to distinguish between anti-mandate and anti-vaxx
Great. Explain in your own words what gain of function is and give some examples. You’ve been asked what ? Three times and haven’t answered.
That in fact did occur. Many who died with covid rather than of covid were counted as covid deaths. I don't think the death certificates were modified.

If Covid was a contributing factor in the death? Of course. That would be done with any comorbidity that contributed to the death.

But there was no financial incentive to put Covid in the death certificates.
 
If Covid was a contributing factor in the death? Of course. That would be done with any comorbidity that contributed to the death.
Most who died from Covid had many contributing comorbidities. Why single out one if it was not the direct cause? My own mother died the final time she contracted the flu. Most can shake off the flu. However, she had a serious comorbidity, known as COPD, without which she could have survived that bout with the flu. The cause listed on her death certificate was COPD, not the flu.
 
Most who died from Covid had many contributing comorbidities. Why single out one if it was not the direct cause? My own mother died the final time she contracted the flu. Most can shake off the flu. However, she had a serious comorbidity, known as COPD, without which she could have survived that bout with the flu. The cause listed on her death certificate was COPD, not the flu.

Millions dead that wouldn't have died at that time were it not for COVID.
 
Most who died from Covid had many contributing comorbidities. Why single out one if it was not the direct cause?
Well you aren’t “ singling out one” if it’s not the cause.
In fact even in the cause of death you may list several causes .
Part 1 is standard certificate of death.
In line one you list the immediate cause of death
And then underlying cause that to that immediate cause of death
And in line 2 underlying conditions that existed that may contribute.



My own mother died the final time she contracted the flu. Most can shake off the flu. However, she had a serious comorbidity, known as COPD, without which she could have survived that bout with the flu. The cause listed on her death certificate was COPD, not the flu.
COPD was the immediate cause of death.
Influenza would be under that as an underlying cause.
Like you said. The COPD was the immediate cause of death as she wouldn’t have died of the influenza.
It would ultimately be up to her treating physician to decide which was appropriate for the form.
 
COPD was the immediate cause of death.
Influenza would be under that as an underlying cause.
Like you said. The COPD was the immediate cause of death as she wouldn’t have died of the influenza.
It would ultimately be up to her treating physician to decide which was appropriate for the form.
The point is that she already had chronic COPD. She was merely unlucky enough to get contract the flue while having COPD one too many times. She had fought it off several times before. She did not die because she had the flu, most people shake it off. She died of COPD. A common cold would have been just about as dangerous to her. That's why her pulmonologist listed the cause of death as COPD. Flu was just a complication.
 
The point is that she already had chronic COPD. She was merely unlucky enough to get contract the flue while having COPD one too many times. She had fought it off several times before. She did not die because she had the flu, most people shake it off. She died of COPD. A common cold would have been just about as dangerous to her. That's why her pulmonologist listed the cause of death as COPD. Flu was just a complication.
And that’s right COPD was listed as her cause of death per your report.

If you saw the whole report it also probably listed influenza as a precipitating factor
As well as comorbidities that also contributed but were not precipitating factor in the immediate cause.

It just depends how well the attending physician knew your mom and how competence wanted to make the form

Just so you know. If your mom had say very mild COPD , and died after influenza .
The influenza may have been listed as the cause and the COPD as a contributory comorbidity.

What’s the issue here?
 
If you saw the whole report it also probably listed influenza as a precipitating factor
As well as comorbidities that also contributed but were not precipitating factor in the immediate cause.
I not only saw the report. I signed it and still have certified copies of it. It solely listed COPD as the cause of death.
It just depends how well the attending physician knew your mom and how competence wanted to make the form
He was her pulmonologist for one year short of two decades. I would say he knew here well.
Just so you know. If your mom had say very mild COPD , and died after influenza .
The influenza may have been listed as the cause and the COPD as a contributory comorbidity.
It was not mild COPD, she had previous close calls, Sure, influenza was a contributing factor, or complication, however the cause was COPD. Think of it in similar terms to someone dying of lung cancer. The primary cause of death is usually listed as lung cancer even though pneumonia was the final event. If her doctor would have listed her cause in any other fashion, it would have been complications of COPD.
 
I not only saw the report. I signed it and still have certified copies of it. It solely listed COPD as the cause of death.

He was her pulmonologist for one year short of two decades. I would say he knew here well.

It was not mild COPD, she had previous close calls, Sure, influenza was a contributing factor, or complication, however the cause was COPD. Think of it in similar terms to someone dying of lung cancer. The primary cause of death is usually listed as lung cancer even though pneumonia was the final event. If her doctor would have listed her cause in any other fashion, it would have been complications of COPD.
Yes . Everything I said.
So what’s your issue?
 
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