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NYC Mayoral Candidate Zohran Mamdani - The Ugly Face Of NeoMarxism

SkyChief said:
Sorry, no. There is a very clear distinction between (classical) Marxism and NeoMarxism.

Anyways, Zorahn Mamdani is a very dangerous man, and New Yorkers need to understand why he's dangerous.

This interview really exposes him.
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Look at the voting breakdown.

Vote Share by Median Household Income​

Cuomo captured the lowest-income neighborhoods, while middle-class and wealthier neighborhoods supported Mamdani​
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Mamdani Beat Cuomo Without Wide Support of Black Voters​

Racial composition of neighborhoods won by each candidate​
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Seems fair enough to conclude that the white, affluent, self loathing liberals (AUWFULs) voted for Mamdani.
 
aociswundumho said:
:ROFLMAO:Um, no, not by a long shot. Both Castro and Batista were dictators, but Batista was not a socialist, and that made all the difference. Here are two different streets in Havana, before and after the "revolution":

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The bottom part of each of those pics looks far worse than the top part of each of those pics.

Apparently, Castro's Socialism hasn't done anything to improve matters, and, in fact, has made them worse.
Also apparent here in this thread, from the left leaning posters, and the NYC AWFULs: "Let give this often failed socialism thing another try". :rolleyes:
 
NatMorton said:
We already tax the wealthy and they pay, by far, the lion's share of federal taxes. But Mandani isn't merely saying we should tax the very wealthy. He's saying we should eliminate them.
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I'm pretty sure he means that we should tax them until they're no longer billionaires. Not anything more sinister than that.
 
NatMorton said:
No, I think switching from class warfare to race warfare as a method for gaining political power is a bad thing becoming an equally bad thing.
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Isn't that how all political power works? You pick somebody to blame, and then you rally your supporters against them. Sometimes it's immigrants, sometimes it's Muslims, sometimes it's rich people. The principle is always the same.
 
Irredentist said:
I'm pretty sure he means that we should tax them until they're no longer billionaires. Not anything more sinister than that.
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A redistributionist wealth tax on billionaires for the simple fact that they are billionaires with the goal to eliminate them isn't sinister?
Err, I rather think that it is.
 
Here's the face of what the OP supports.



 
Irredentist said:
Isn't that how all political power works? You pick somebody to blame, and then you rally your supporters against them. Sometimes it's immigrants, sometimes it's Muslims, sometimes it's rich people. The principle is always the same.
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It's a successful strategy to sway the uneducated, yes.
 
Irredentist said:
If you're a billionaire who wants to stay a billionaire, then it's sinister. If you're struggling to pay for rent and groceries, it's a godsend.
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I wasn't thinking of it in those terms, but more so in the terms of:
'A government which has the power to give you everything you want, also has the power to take everything you have'.

I don't believe that neither State nor Federal government have demonstrated the wisdom, statesmanship, integrity, nor responsibility for having such power. I don't believe that any government should be given that power.
 
eohrnberger said:
I wasn't thinking of it in those terms, but more so in the terms of:
'A government which has the power to give you everything you want, also has the power to take everything you have'.

I don't believe that neither State nor Federal government have demonstrated the wisdom, statesmanship, integrity, nor responsibility for having such power. I don't believe that any government should be given that power.
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The power of taxation, you mean? That doesn't really make sense. Can you even have a government without taxation? And what's the point of taxation if it doesn't benefit people who need help?
 
NatMorton said:
Why? They're both Socialists. And it never starts out as evil. Do you think in 1917 the Bolsheviks believed they were creating history's greatest killing machine?
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Leaving aside the obvious fact the far right and Hitler killed significantly more people than Stalin did, no evidence has been presented to show his beliefs are remotely close to Stalin’s.
 
eohrnberger said:
I wasn't thinking of it in those terms, but more so in the terms of:
'A government which has the power to give you everything you want, also has the power to take everything you have'.

I don't believe that neither State nor Federal government have demonstrated the wisdom, statesmanship, integrity, nor responsibility for having such power. I don't believe that any government should be given that power.
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We currently take money from working class people to give to billionaires like Elon Musk.

He and his companies have received BILLIONS in tax payer funding.

Perhaps we should start giving more money to those who have less - instead of taking money from those who have little to make billionaires even richer 🤷‍♀️
 
BirdinHand said:
We currently take money from working class people to give to billionaires like Elon Musk.

He and his companies have received BILLIONS in tax payer funding.

Perhaps we should start giving more money to those who have less - instead of taking money from those who have little to make billionaires even richer 🤷‍♀️
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"Elon is productive, 29 yr olds playing basement CoD, blah blah blah."
 
Irredentist said:
The power of taxation, you mean?
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No, let's take a closer look at what is really going on here.
  1. Identify a disfavored group - in this case billionaires
  2. Misusing the tax code as a weapon, to punish, and / or eliminate that identified group - per Mamdani's statement
What this really is is punishing success, above and beyond their already paying the majority of taxes, to subsidize the non-successful.
You do realize that you'll get more of whatever it is that the government subsidizes, right?

Is that how the power of taxation is supposed to work?
Identifying a disfavored group and crafting tax legislation as a weapon, to punish that group?
Because I didn't think so.

What's next? Crafting tax legislation to enable wealth confiscation and redistribution?

Irredentist said:
That doesn't really make sense. Can you even have a government without taxation? And what's the point of taxation if it doesn't benefit people who need help?
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SkyChief said:
Kristen Welker: "Do you think that billionaires have a right to exist?"

Mamdani: [laughs] "I don't think that we should have billionaires."

Welker: "'Shift the tax burden from overtaxed homeowners in the outer boroughs to more expensive homes in richer and whiter neighborhoods?' Explain why you're bringing race into your tax proposal."

Mamdani: "That is just an description of what we see right now - it's not driven by race. It's more of an assessment of what neighborhoods are being undertaxed versus overtaxed. We've seen time and again that this is a property tax system that is inequitable."




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"My mother fled communist Cuba to not live in a communist New York. We need to defeat [Mamdani] because he's very dangerous to the future of the city – both from an economic standpoint and a public safety standpoint." NY Representative Nicole Malliotakis

"Frankly, for Democrats, this is a time for choosing. Do they align themselves with a radical socialist who engages in antisemitism, hates the police, believes that illegal immigrants should have free everything, and you know, is basically going to destroy the finances of New York City? They can't have it both ways." - NY Representative Mike Lawler
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BirdinHand said:
We currently take money from working class people to give to billionaires like Elon Musk.

He and his companies have received BILLIONS in tax payer funding.
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No, not to Musk directly, to the Tesla and SpaceX corporations.
SpaceX is a fine example in that its specifically for goods and services rendered.

BirdinHand said:
Perhaps we should start giving more money to those who have less -
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We are already doing this with the progressive US tax code.
Ganondagan said:
You're wrong on all accounts.


Summary of the Latest Federal Income Tax Data, 2024 Update​

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Summary of the Latest Federal Income Tax Data, 2024 Update

The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) made many significant, but temporary, changes to the individual income tax code to lower tax rates, widen brackets, increase the standard deduction and child tax credit, and more.
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BirdinHand said:
instead of taking money from those who have little to make billionaires even richer 🤷‍♀️
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This a mischaracterization, the government isn't giving welfare and social safety net to billionaires, especially not to Tesla and SpaceX, are they?

I am detecting jealousy, envy and the desire for class warfare in your post.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Leaving aside the obvious fact the far right and Hitler killed significantly more people than Stalin did, no evidence has been presented to show his beliefs are remotely close to Stalin’s.
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The Soviet Union killed many more people than did Nazi Germany.
 
j brown's body said:
I grew up in a world that lacked billionaires. The middle class was a lot stronger then, I can tell you that.
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Damn, you must be really old.

Who was the first billionaire?​

John D. Rockefeller became the world’s first billionaire by measurable dollars. The Standard Oil Company founder became a billionaire in 1916 and was worth about 2% of the national economy.
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www.usatoday.com

The richest person who ever lived had unimaginable wealth. Inside the world's wealthiest.

The richest person who ever lived may have a net worth of $400 billion by today's standards. Here's who he was and how he spent it.
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NatMorton said:
The Soviet Union killed many more people than did Nazi Germany.
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Yeah, I've heard the number 20m of Stalin's own citizens were killed during his reign of terror.
 
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