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Noam Chomsky Sucks

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Captain America said:
Thanks for the Chomsky info Gardener. I truly know little or nothing about the man. How come folks on the right demonize liberals and associate them to Chomsky? He does not sound like somebody me and my liberal friends would cozy up too. To me, he just sounds like another O'reilly, Limbaugh, Moore, Coulter, (the list goes on) blowhard. Albeit, his feathers may be a different color, it sounds to me like he's just another cuckoo like the rest of 'em.:roll:


I think the reason the idealogues of the right associate Chomsky with liberals is because they can. Too few liberals stand up to distance themselves from him, and so it makes for easy pickings.

Yes, he is much like Coulter et al because his role is much like that of the pamphleteers of old -- he is dealing in the creation of perception and his appeal is to people's emotions rather than their intellect. His use of hyperbole is very much like that of those on the far right in terms of degree, what with his relentless comparisons of Israel or the United States to Nazi Germany and whathaveyou. If you read through his polemics and just look for the way he uses adjectives, the hyperbolic nature of his writing should jump off the page at you.

I'll take somebody like Thomas Freidman any day.
 

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The Real McCoy said:
How old are you? He's a god on college campuses. Most cited living person according to Humanities. Ranks among the top ten most cited along with Shakespeare and the Holy Bible.

Only time I ever heard of him while attending college was in my Linguistics class; his political opinions never came up. As far as Linguistics goes, he has several interesting-- and compelling-- theories.
 

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Korimyr the Rat said:
Only time I ever heard of him while attending college was in my Linguistics class; his political opinions never came up. As far as Linguistics goes, he has several interesting-- and compelling-- theories.

Are you saying he is a cunning linguist?:rofl
 

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Korimyr the Rat said:
And Washington and Jefferson both owned slaves. Marx never did a day of hard physical labor in his life.

I am not comparing Chomsky to them, but they are an adequate illustration of the point I am making.

People with great ideas, especially great ideas about liberty and equality, do not typically live up to those ideas. And, it is a good thing that they do not; it is their embrace of elitism and the power associated with it that allows them to spread their great ideas. Simply, if they lived up to their noble words about how every human is equal and everyone should get their fair share... their ideas would die.

This may or may not say something about the validity of those great ideas of liberty and equality-- but I think it certainly destroys any grounds for moral condemnation of their proponents not living up to them.

Yes but Chomsky has said that intelectuals should be held accountable for what they do not just what they say and that they have to practice what they preach so should Chomsky not be held up to his own standards? He's worked for the pentagon which he claims is the most evil force in the world and let's not forget that this self proclaimed anarchist has supported every totalitarian communist regime of the 20th century just so long as they dislike the U.S. Chomsky supported Pol Pot for christ sakes, he's a hypocritical lier and a supporter of tyrants, I despise the man.
 

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Trajan Octavian Titus said:
Yes but Chomsky has said that intelectuals should be held accountable for what they do, not just what ... so should Chomsky not be held up to his own standards?

Point taken.

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Chomsky supported Pol Pot for christ sakes, he's a hypocritical lier and a supporter of tyrants, I despise the man.

Have to admit, supporting Pol Pot and denouncing the Pentagon is awfully hypocritical.
 

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Have to admit, supporting Pol Pot and denouncing the Pentagon is awfully hypocritical.

He never really supported Pol Pot. Somebody wrote a book early on that criticized Pol Pot. He wrote an article with someone called Ed Herman that criticized the book. They actually said it was worth reading but they were arguing that the author purposefully manipulated information about the attrocities.

Heres a quote from Chomsky:
"when the facts are in, it may turn out that the more extreme condemnations [of the Khmer Rouge] are in fact correct", although if so, "it will in no way alter the conclusions we have reached on the central questions addressed here: how the available facts were selected, modified, or sometimes invented to create a certain image offered to the general population. The answer to this question seems clear, and it is unaffected by whatever may yet be discovered about Cambodia in the future."

What happened with that was, the same way people criticized him for supporting a nazis right for freedom of speech, people take this as support for these people. But thats not true, as you can see.
 

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FinnMacCool said:
He never really supported Pol Pot. Somebody wrote a book early on that criticized Pol Pot. He wrote an article with someone called Ed Herman that criticized the book. They actually said it was worth reading but they were arguing that the author purposefully manipulated information about the attrocities.

Heres a quote from Chomsky:

What happened with that was, the same way people criticized him for supporting a nazis right for freedom of speech, people take this as support for these people. But thats not true, as you can see.

Bullshit elsewhere in that artilce which I have read he said that the attrocities were on both sides it's another in his long list of trying to claim some sort of moral equivalency between those who commit the attrocity and those who are being slaughtered. The man did a cheerleading speech in South Vietnam at the height of the conflict. The man supports tyrants end of story.
 

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FinnMacCool said:
What possible reason would he have to support tyrants?

I don't know why don't you ask him?

Noam Chomsky: Viet Cong Cheerleader

"Yesterday and today, my friends and I visited Tanh Hoa province. There we were able to see at first hand the constructive work of the social revolution of the Vietnamese people. We saw luxurious fields and lovely countryside. We saw brave men and women who know how to defend their country from brutal aggression, but also to work with pride and with dignity to build a society of material prosperity, social justice, and cultural progress. I would like to express the great joy that we feel in your accomplishments.

"We also saw the ruins of dwellings and hospitals, villages mutilated by savage bombardments, craters disfiguring the peaceful countryside. In the midst of the creative achievements of the Vietnamese people, we came face to face with the savagery of a technological monster controlled by a social class, the rulers of the American empire, that has no place in the 20th century, that has only the capacity to repress and murder and destroy.

"We also saw the (Ham Ranh) Bridge, standing proud and defiant, and carved on the bills above we read the words, 'determined to win.' The people of Vietnam will win, they must win, because your cause is the cause of humanity as it moves forward toward liberty and justice, toward the socialist society in which free, creative men control their own destiny.

"This is my first visit to Vietnam. Nevertheless, since the moment when we arrived at the airport at Hanoi, I've had a remarkable and very satisfying feeling of being entirely at home. It is as if we are renewing old friendships rather than meeting new friends. It is as if we are returning to places that have a deep and personal meaning.

"In part, this is because of the warmth and the kindness with which we have been received, wherever we have gone. In part, it is because for many years we have wished all our strength and will to stand beside you in your struggle. We are deeply grateful to you that you permit us to be part of your brave and historical struggle. We hope that there will continue to be strong bonds of comradeship between the people of Vietnam and the many Americans who wish you success and who detest with all of their being the hateful activities of the American government.

"Those bonds of friendship are woven of many strands. From our point of view there is first of all the deep sympathy that we felt for the suffering of the Vietnamese people, which persists and increases in the southern part of your country, where the American aggression continues in full force.

"There is, furthermore, a feeling of regret and shame that we must feel because we have not been able to stop the American war machine. More important still is our admiration for the people of Vietnam who have been able to defend themselves against the ferocious attack, and at the same time take great strides forward toward the socialist society.

"But, above all, I think, is the feeling of pride. Your heroism reveals the capabilities of the human spirit and human will. Decent people throughout the world see in your struggle a model for themselves. They are in your debt, everlastingly, because you were in the forefront of the struggle to create a world in which the chains of oppression have been broken and replaced by social bonds among free men working in true solidarity and cooperation.

"Your courage and your achievements teach us that we too must be determined to win--not only to win the battle against American aggression in Southeast Asia, but also the battle against exploitation and racism in our own country.

"I believe that in the United States there will be some day a social revolution that will be of great significance to us and to all of mankind, and if this hope is to be proven correct, it will be in large part because the people of Vietnam have shown us the way.

"While in Hanoi I have had the opportunity to read the recent and very important book by Le Duan on the problems and tasks of the Vietnamese revolution. In it, he says that the fundamental interests of the proletariat of the people of all the world consists in at the same time in safeguarding world peace and moving the revolution forward in all countries. This is our common goal. We only hope that we can build upon your historic achievements. Thank you."

- Noam Chomsky, originally delivered on April 13, 1970 in Hanoi while he was visiting North Vietnam with a group of anti-war activists. Broadcast by Radio Hanoi on April 14, and published in the _Asia-Pacific Daily Report_ of the U.S. government's Foreign Broadcast Information Service, April 16, 1970, pages K2-K3.
 
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