im sure walmart will get sued we always get sued. In a normal walmart store the gun is in the box unsecured and easy to open. That walmarts policy is to have it spider wrapped for anti-theft purposes. So while it might have contributed to the tragedy, it would not be so uncommon to see an air gun outside its box.
Why dont you tell me why I subconsciously got into my field, you seem to know for everyone else.
Im sure whatever you do for a living, you do it for the worst reasons. :roll:
"Might have contributed"? I'd bet if the gun was in a wrapped box he would not have been walking around with it. Walmart might change policy and say 'no air gun boxes on the sales floor' if employees cannot follow policy.
Are you really trying to argue that not following an anti-theft policy is a safety hazard?
I'm arguing that Walmart not following its own policy contributed to the tragedy.
But the policy in question is an anti-theft policy and has nothing to do with preventing tragedies
Why is it more difficult to steal a wrapped box as opposed to an unwrapped? Presumably, the idea is to prevent the gun from being removed from the box. That seems like a safety idea as well; after all, who would advocate air guns being open access in Walmart. It would just be a matter of time until some kid does something stupid. I don't have access to Walmart's policy statement regarding air guns, so I guess we'll wait for the case.
The policy is purely for anti-theft purposes, there are plenty of walmarts that dont secure their airguns at all. We only used to secure our air guns over $50 until we moved to a 24 hour super center.
You're wasting your anger and unhappy on me, it has no effect.
I found more video footage showing what happens before. He's pretty much just walking around the store without anyone caring that he is carrying the air rifle:
I found more video footage showing what happens before. He's pretty much just walking around the store without anyone caring that he is carrying the air rifle:
You have to be 18 to buy one by law in most places and by walmart policy just like a gun, and the ones that are sold at walmart have enough power to kill.
Heres a story about a death by a .177 pellet gun
South Auckland air rifle victim named | NZNews | 3 News
I'm wondering why a youtube video is clearer than the video presented in the OP.
In anycase in this video it is easier to see that it looks like the guy swung the rifle somewhat up after the cops said something to him and it also looks like he was bending his knees. Possibly to shoot it, possibly to put it down. Its hard to tell. I personally think that we may have known for sure had the 911 caller not lied. Which he did do. For that reason the police officers were edgy as all get out....which is understandable. That 911 caller lying is what lead to the death of this kid imo.
Bull. I saw the mother glance over at the guy, say something to the kids, and they left into the garden section, eventhough it looked like they were going to be getting fish. Then she starts looking for someone, probably an employee and it appears like she is gesturing for someone to make a phone call. She walks immediately the other way when she steps back inside, away from the guy with the gun. She obviously felt somewhat threatened by him. Now, I didn't see him point the gun at anyone, however, that doesn't mean the guy talking didn't believe he did. Afterall, we have no idea what angle the guy talking is seeing this from. The guy with the gun was moving the gun around much of the time, swinging it up and down at least.
An air gun shoots a metal pellet up to 6 times faster than an electric airsoft gun, they dont have orange tips because they are just as dangerous as real guns and should be treated the same
I get an air gun is dangerous, but let's not get carried away Crovax. There's a reason why our soldier aren't running around carrying air guns...
Possibly to shoot an air rifle? Seriously?
There is also a reason are soldiers arent using .22 guns either, does that mean we should call those toys also?
I'm going to be blunt here. People are stupid. I have no problems seeing someone attempting to shoot people/cops with even the weakest air gun out there that couldn't hurt a fly much less hurt anyone. And air guns can be deadly. The Crosman MK-711 (which this guy apparently had) is considered as a small game hunting air rifle. It will shoot pellets at 800FPS which is roughly about 3/4 of the speed of a standard .22 bullet. That's still enough to kill someone. Many people don't realize just how deadly an air rifle can be. Back when I was a kid I had a BB pump air gun that would fire a BB at the same fps as a .22 bullet.
Besides all that, the cops had no idea whether it was an air gun when they first arrived or not. An air rifle can look the same as any other real rifle. And if someone lifts it in what could be perceived as a threatening manner then they are going to shoot. And I can't blame them for doing so.
There's some people who go hunting with a .22 gun, now I could be wrong here, but I don't recall people "hunting with air guns". I know of kids shooting bb guns at squirrels though...
Do you have some balistics that can demonstrate that an air gun is just as strong as even a .22 gun, I'd be very interesting in seeing that.
However if the next poster is to be believed, than it seems you are wrong again.
There's some people who go hunting with a .22 gun, now I could be wrong here, but I don't recall people "hunting with air guns". I know of kids shooting bb guns at squirrels though...
Do you have some balistics that can demonstrate that an air gun is just as strong as even a .22 gun, I'd be very interesting in seeing that.
However if the next poster is to be believed, than it seems you are wrong again.
.22 rimfire cartridge 1200–1500 fps
.22 centerfire cartridge 2400–3000 fps
.22 Swift 4000 fps
.38 Special 600 fps
.221 Fireball 2650 fps
I'm going to be blunt here. People are stupid. I have no problems seeing someone attempting to shoot people/cops with even the weakest air gun out there that couldn't hurt a fly much less hurt anyone. And air guns can be deadly. The Crosman MK-711 (which this guy apparently had) is considered as a small game hunting air rifle. It will shoot pellets at 800FPS which is roughly about 3/4 of the speed of a standard .22 bullet. That's still enough to kill someone. Many people don't realize just how deadly an air rifle can be. Back when I was a kid I had a BB pump air gun that would fire a BB at the same fps as a .22 bullet.
Besides all that, the cops had no idea whether it was an air gun when they first arrived or not. An air rifle can look the same as any other real rifle. And if someone lifts it in what could be perceived as a threatening manner then they are going to shoot. And I can't blame them for doing so.
I've got zero experience in the world of guns but you raise an issue here that doesn't make sense to me. I don't understand why people who are adamantly in favour of individual gun ownership and very limited or no restrictions on such individual rights aren't really ticked off and strenuously advocating for far clearer appearance differentiation between "toys" and "weapons".
On numerous occasions, I've heard of people being shot by police because they had a "toy" gun and police believed it was a real weapon and had no way of knowing otherwise. I've also seen it said that toys are supposed to have some orange markings on the barrel that identifies it as a toy, but why are we allowing toy makers to produce and sell toys that have all the appearance of real weapons? Why isn't the entire toy orange? A kid wouldn't care as long as it wasn't pink like a girl's gun.
And why have pellet guns or air guns or whatever the case was here, on display in stores for customers to pick up and carry around, potentially removed from packages, and mistaken for something more dangerous even though from the sounds of it pellet and air guns can be very dangerous themselves?
Perhaps this is just coming from someone with no gun history, but seems to me gun advocates and those who want to protect their gun ownership and possession rights would be damn mad that these kinds of incidents are putting serious, responsible gun owners/advocates in a bad light and just inflaming those who want to take those rights away. Why isn't the NRA lobbying to make toy guns far more distinguishable and why don't the advocate that all weapons that can do serious damage to humans be sold in a controlled store environment?
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