No gaming allowed in blue states.

[iguanaman]

The café standards lead to a massive Rise fuel consumption.

In any event, you people always have a response. The government failing in providing critical infrastructure is actually good for us! Who knew?

What a huge lie. Is that always how the right makes their points? It sure seems that way.

 

[Risky Thicket]

So, apparently, there are a handful of blue states that won't let the lowly peasants use a little more electricity for their entertainment if it involves video gaming. They say it uses too much power. The states that have restrictions are California, Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Vermont and Washington. Of course, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, elite politicians, and so on are allowed to guzzle down tons of power with their industries, mansions, ect. It's just not allowed for the serfs.

View attachment 67344921

Many, if not most payday loan businesses are owned by Trumnpian predatory lenders, which until a month ago, thanks to Trump and the GQP, were robbing Americans blind.

 

[Irredentist]

So, apparently, there are a handful of blue states that won't let the lowly peasants use a little more electricity for their entertainment if it involves video gaming. They say it uses too much power. The states that have restrictions are California, Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Vermont and Washington. Of course, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, elite politicians, and so on are allowed to guzzle down tons of power with their industries, mansions, ect. It's just not allowed for the serfs.

View attachment 67344921

Your capacity for misrepresentation continues to astound. These energy efficiency standards have been in place for quite some time now, and at least in my state, they apply to all electronics and computer components that consume electricity, not just gaming computers. The only reason they are relevant to gaming desktops now is because this newest generation of desktops consumes such a high amount of power that they are no longer within the regulations.

 

[mike2810]

So, apparently, there are a handful of blue states that won't let the lowly peasants use a little more electricity for their entertainment if it involves video gaming. They say it uses too much power. The states that have restrictions are California, Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Vermont and Washington. Of course, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, elite politicians, and so on are allowed to guzzle down tons of power with their industries, mansions, ect. It's just not allowed for the serfs.

View attachment 67344921

Interesting ,
I did a quick search for Best Buy in California and guess what.

You can buy in store the Alienware Aurora R12. the one in your image on the right.

​

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Many, if not most payday loan businesses are owned by Trumnpian predatory lenders, which until a month ago, thanks to Trump and the GQP, were robbing Americans blind.

Lol payday lending has occurred for decades and somehow that’s Trumps fault?

 

[Fishking]

Many, if not most payday loan businesses are owned by Trumnpian predatory lenders, which until a month ago, thanks to Trump and the GQP, were robbing Americans blind.

What the **** does that have to do with the topic?

 

[Fishking]

Your capacity for misrepresentation continues to astound. These energy efficiency standards have been in place for quite some time now, and at least in my state, they apply to all electronics and computer components that consume electricity, not just gaming computers. The only reason they are relevant to gaming desktops now is because this newest generation of desktops consumes such a high amount of power that they are no longer within the regulations.

Nothing was misrepresented. You're whining about it "being in place for a while now" changes nothing.

 

[Fishking]

Interesting ,
I did a quick search for Best Buy in California and guess what.

You can buy in store the Alienware Aurora R12. the one in your image on the right.

​

That's the screen shot I took myself from their own site. Perhaps Best Buy goes through different shipping or some such so it gets around it? I don't know.

 

[ecofarm]

Shitnet is a terrible thing. Those people need another job, not more time lagging.

 

[mike2810]

That's the screen shot I took myself from their own site. Perhaps Best Buy goes through different shipping or some such so it gets around it? I don't know.

It may be that you can order on line and have it shipped to your home. You may have to go into the store.

Either way. Doesn't conern me, I don't game play.

 

[Kushinator]

What a huge lie. Is that always how the right makes their points? It sure seems that way.

You know they're not going to be able to comprehend this graph.

 

[iguanaman]

You know they're not going to be able to comprehend this graph.

That is their problem not mine. The CAFE standards nearly doubled the miles traveled per gallon of gas.

 

[HonestJoe]

Yes, I took a screen shot of their own site.

The point is that the screenshot doesn't give the full story, which is why I linked an actual news article about the situation which covered more of the key details.

There is no spin happening.

There was spin in your ridiculous assertion that this restriction on thousand-dollar plus high-end gaming PCs was somehow targeted at "the peasants" and the implication that there are no other rules, policies and restrictions addressing power consumption for industrial and general domestic users.

 

[Fishking]

The point is that the screenshot doesn't give the full story, which is why I linked an actual news article about the situation which covered more of the key details.

There was spin in your ridiculous assertion that this restriction on thousand-dollar plus high-end gaming PCs was somehow targeted at "the peasants" and the implication that there are no other rules, policies and restrictions addressing power consumption for industrial and general domestic users.

Because they are going after regular people with this while others live in mansions that use way more electricity than the extra little bit a gaming computer uses. I'm not shocked you didn't pick that up, despite specifically saying that in my OP. Again, change your screen name.

 

[LostInSeattle]

So, apparently, there are a handful of blue states that won't let the lowly peasants use a little more electricity for their entertainment if it involves video gaming. They say it uses too much power. The states that have restrictions are California, Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Vermont and Washington. Of course, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, elite politicians, and so on are allowed to guzzle down tons of power with their industries, mansions, ect. It's just not allowed for the serfs.

View attachment 67344921

Sorry, it's not clear to me what your point is. Are you interested in discussing energy efficiency standards and the rationale behind them? Or energy consumption by computing equipment? or something else?

 

[LostInSeattle]

The café standards lead to a massive Rise fuel consumption.

In any event, you people always have a response. The government failing in providing critical infrastructure is actually good for us! Who knew?

Do you ever post without using the phrase, "you people"?

 

[OrphanSlug]

Are we talking about California energy standards, or how the PC industry will respond... or some other shit?

(Because California is not done going after technology, December of this year phase 2 rolls out which impacts everything from tablets to laptops to large or fast refresh rate monitors to core networking equipment.)

 

[LostInSeattle]

Because they are going after regular people with this while others live in mansions that use way more electricity than the extra little bit a gaming computer uses. I'm not shocked you didn't pick that up, despite specifically saying that in my OP. Again, change your screen name.

So you are asserting that the engineers and policy people who work on energy efficiency standards have decided to target "regular people" while ignoring the consumption of the uber wealthy?

If that's the case, I'd first ask you for some evidence of that decision making process.

Second, I would point out that efficiency standards look for the biggest savings at the lowest cost, because that's what puts the least pressure on electricity prices. Efficiency (demand side management) as a rule, is a cheaper alternative to meeting growing demand than are supply side measures, for a host of reasons I can get list if you really want the gory details.'

Third, it's also important to note that efficiency policies do take into account social equity concerns to varying degrees.

Fourth, energy consumption by computers is a BIG issue.
See this article on the California standards.

Dell won't ship energy-hungry PCs to California and five other US states due to power regulations

Energy efficiency rules appear to be limiting the availability of gaming rigs

www.theregister.com

A 2015 Semiconductor Industry Association report [PDF] that, given a benchmark system of 10-14 Joules/per bit transition, "computing will not be sustainable by 2040, when the energy required for computing will exceed the estimated world’s energy production."


Graph from SIA report on the IT revolution ... Click to enlarge
Current processors operate at about 10-17 J/bit, which the SIA considers to be a workable target for more efficient computing, though the group said in a more recent report, "Revolutionary changes to computing will be required soon."

SIA report here:

https://www.semiconductors.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/RITR-WEB-version-FINAL.pdf

 

[mrjurrs]

So, apparently, there are a handful of blue states that won't let the lowly peasants use a little more electricity for their entertainment if it involves video gaming. They say it uses too much power. The states that have restrictions are California, Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Vermont and Washington. Of course, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, elite politicians, and so on are allowed to guzzle down tons of power with their industries, mansions, ect. It's just not allowed for the serfs.

View attachment 67344921

Most populated, not most polluted.

 

[Fishking]

Most populated, not most polluted.

?...I'm not sure what you're referencing. I didn't say anything about pollution.

 

[HonestJoe]

Because they are going after regular people with this while others live in mansions that use way more electricity than the extra little bit a gaming computer uses.

This isn't just going after "regular people" though. These laws are effectively impacting everyone equally (and if anything, people in mansions are more likely to have high-end gaming PCs). You also seem to be assuming there aren't other measures in place to address energy use in other contexts (or that they couldn't be introduced too). These specific laws are likely to be just one small part of much wider policies so I think you'd need to look at those wider policies to assess any questions of fairness or balance.

 

[jotathought]

So, apparently, there are a handful of blue states that won't let the lowly peasants use a little more electricity for their entertainment if it involves video gaming. They say it uses too much power. The states that have restrictions are California, Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Vermont and Washington. Of course, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, elite politicians, and so on are allowed to guzzle down tons of power with their industries, mansions, ect. It's just not allowed for the serfs.

I don't see an article, so I'll just roll with it: citizens of these fine blue states are being discouraged to use certain laptops Got it. Are these same citizens being discouraged from watching tv? porno? charging their Tesla? or other entertainment based power consumption (e.g. pools, outdoor lighting, etc.)?

 

[ASHES]

 

[mrjurrs]

?...I'm not sure what you're referencing. I didn't say anything about pollution.

The restrictions on these energy standards are the result of stricter pollution standards CA has made law. These laws help to avoid polluting the environment and often bleed over into other states because companies don't want to make multiple models and the CA market is so large they often just make the cleaner model. Say thank you...

 

[Airyaman]

Lol payday lending has occurred for decades and somehow that’s Trumps fault?

Well, there is this:

Trump administration quietly rolls back protections against predatory payday loans

The rule, which was instituted and then reversed by the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau would have held payday lenders to the same basic rules that banks must abide by.

fortune.com

How Payday Lenders Spent $1 Million at a Trump Resort — and Cashed In

At the Trump Doral outside Miami, payday lenders celebrated the potential death of a rule intended to protect their customers. They couldn’t have done it without President Donald Trump and his latest deregulator, Kathleen Kraninger.

www.propublica.org