During the Cold War, Americas nuclear shield was nice to have, but the war ended 20 years ago, and we have close comfortable relationship with Russia and they are integrated into Europe too.
So I suggest you save the American taxpayers by withdrawing all your troops and bases and retreat back to your island. We have different poltical goals so there is no need to maintain NATO. You want to use NATO as a poltical tool to rule the world and we want to remain a peaceful continent. We thank-you but not its time to go seperate ways in the world.
Dont forget to turn off the light, when you leave.
Hi benny.
I'd love to see Europe taking more responsibility when it comes to our own defense, but at the moment, it seems we neither know how to defend ourselves, nor do we want to spend any money on it.
If America leaves, we're screwed big time.
Well Germany certainly would be in a poor position but France and the UK have nukes, don't know about any other country.
I'm not sure nukes alone are helpful. And then, both their arsenals are marginal. There are no intercontinental nukes whatsoever in France's of Britain's arsenal.
It seems to me that not even a basic self-defense is up and running at the moment, one that could even suffice against a country like Russia, despite all their problems on that field.
If you are talking about the whole EU about us getting an EU army then that is so.
I am not sure who we would be expecting to invade the UK so for the time being I would think it is fine, with or without the US.
Not sure about the UK either. But Europe in general ... assuming the US leave, without Europe getting a proper defense up, then we'll soon no longer live in the EU, but in the "United States of Russia".
Germany is poorly defended. So what do you think about an EU army then? It does not seem right to be like dependent children?
Hi benny.
I'd love to see Europe taking more responsibility when it comes to our own defense, but at the moment, it seems we neither know how to defend ourselves, nor do we want to spend any money on it.
If America leaves, we're screwed big time.
Screwed really?
Just who could invade Germany right now in the world?
Or France?
I am not talking about French or German interests in South East Asia, just German or French territory
Russia. Now that nobody gets me wrong, I don't think Russia is still the same as during the Cold War. But as we've seen in the past years, they seem to follow rather imperialist policies and don't shy away from using their military to get their way. And while the Russian force may be in a pityful state, due to disarmament after the Cold War ... I think Europe's forces, especially Germany's, are even in a much more pityful state. If we sent the Americans away now, without doing anything to improve defense, that's basically an invitation for the Russians to give us a "hello".
During the Cold War, Americas nuclear shield was nice to have, but the war ended 20 years ago, and we have close comfortable relationship with Russia and they are integrated into Europe too.
So I suggest you save the American taxpayers by withdrawing all your troops and bases and retreat back to your island. We have different poltical goals so there is no need to maintain NATO. You want to use NATO as a poltical tool to rule the world and we want to remain a peaceful continent. We thank-you but not its time to go seperate ways in the world.
Dont forget to turn off the light, when you leave.
Russia's military is worse then pititful
It had to use 40% of its combat ready forces to take on Georgia a few years ago, was tied down by Chechnya a small region of 1 million people. Russia would have trouble taking on Poland, let alone invading Poland and then Germany.
Trident II has a range of 12000Km.I'm not sure nukes alone are helpful. And then, both their arsenals are marginal. There are no intercontinental nukes whatsoever in France's of Britain's arsenal.
It seems to me that not even a basic self-defense is up and running at the moment, one that could even suffice against a country like Russia, despite all their problems on that field.
It worries me, when Americas discuss the actual use of nuclear weapons. Who should I fear more iran, or the United States?
Haha - I understand that but there really is no need to worry.
Politically: We're dismantling, slowly, our arsenals and taking nuclear weapons out of our loop. Our country is becoming more liberal (slowly but surely) in basic policies and currently the Democratic Party holds full sway - whether people like it or not. The use of nuclear power (weapons, even energy) is against the Democratic Party Platform - and even a growing number of Republicans and Conservatives are turning against this type of weaponry.
Socially: The notion of using nuclear weapons is far less socially acceptable and this "humanity" in our military conflicts will continue to grow in importance - constantly urging Washington to be considerate of the culture and people which we war against.A lot of people, now, see that the use of nuclear weapons in WWII didn't just alter the political direction and focus of the war (which was a good thing) but it annihilated innocent people who never should have been harmed. A lot of people really feel that and connect to it, a lot of people (like me) in our own country are against the very idea.
If our country was to drop a nuke or atom bomb on someone - how do you think we, here, would react? Believe it or not the notion is sickening and the majority of people in this country would be outraged and horrified. In fact, I think if something like that were to happen it would divide our country completely and whoever called for a nuclear strike wouldn't make it much further in life.
Im not talking about refusing help in our darkest our as we did in 1917, 1941, and 1948 but now we are strong enough that we dont need an ally. It makes us morally weak to be tied to the US security shield. Most europeans are content to scorn America, but accept your unlimited security shield. I go another way. My assumption is that we are equals, but that is only possible, when we pay for our own defense and solve our own problems. This does not make me anti-american but idenpent. You dont want help with your oil-leck and I dont want you to defend us, unless the situtaltioln is hopless again. The Europe of 2010 is different than 1990 or earlier. I trust the Russians more than I trust the Middle East. We have so many problems that we need to solve together, that I doubt a european war is thinkable.
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