Nigger is bad word but Gypsy is OK

[katiegrrl0]

I think you started this thread just so you could use the N word and get away with it.

 

[AreteCourage]

The OP sure knows how to make an attention grabbing title...I saw this and had to look.

In any case...the word "nigger" has been a term of hatred and racism. Now a days, young black people seem to use it as a conjunction in their sentences. I really think the volatility of that word has been reduced over the years.

As far a "Gypsy," that term has never held much hatred in America. Simply put, it doesn't apply to most of our people and a term we simply don't use.

 

[Enola]

Gypsy is used even in tv shows..by Gyspys. Like the new show called "My Big Fat Gyspsy Wedding".

So what IS the correct term? Romani? If so, why do not the Romani's in that show call it My Big Fat Romani Wedding?

 

[Cyrillic]

No, you're being a racist. The only point of using the term is to insult black people.

EDIT: Grammar

And you aren't when calling gypsies gypsy.

All 7 cases of what?

Grammar cases Nominative, Genitive, Dative, Accusative, Vocative, Instrumental & Locative - one that we have in Serbian

 

[Cyrillic]

I've run into this before: people just don't realize that sometimes a racist derogatory in one language isn't the same racist derogatory in another langauge. . . it would be impossible to limit language to control for international slangs and terms of this sort. It should be considered regionally - and if something is considered foul in one region but not in another you need to make an effort to udnerstand it.

I remember my sister going to Switzerland for the summer and being shocked that '****' is used like 'oh man' or 'geesh' - and everyone was saying '****' all the time. LOL - it's just not a bad curseword over there. . . the minister even said it in church: she was horrified. . . but came to understand the cultural difference. She didn't start *using* it but was at least able ot understand that words take on different meanings and uses as you travel.

And what of English trying to be ''World language''!

 

[LizardofOz]

I understand where your coming from since
I assume you are from Slovenia or something but yeah it's bad to say.

 

[notquiteright]

English maybe THE world language, I suppose you mean language of commerce as in air traffic control and such.

But it isn't THE language of hate and slang. What an Englishman says doesn't translate to what an AMERICAN hears, I believe the fag thing is insight there.

It maybe English but it isn't American. I am beginning to believe you started this thread to bitch about something that really isn't much of a bitch.

Except for a very tiny few of us Americans the term gypsy is a lifestyle not a nationality. You have to understand we Americans don't slice Europe as thinly as ya'll do. Most in your area are either 'slavs' or Eastern Europeans. Now we do look sideways at a lot of south eastern Europeans, mostly because the bitter hate among the ethnic groups seems to always simmer just below the surface.

 

[imagep]

All I know is that Gingers don't have souls. I can prove it too. I saw it on a youtube video.

 

[finebead]

I was raised in Louisiana in the 1950's, by two of the sweetest most honest and ethical racist bigots in the world. They thought Archie Bunker was right!

The N word is despicable to me. I don't know where it started, but it represented a host of negative stereotypical beliefs about all black people. The stereotype was that they were stupid, immoral, and likely criminals. That is why white politicians decided we could not go to the same schools, blacks had to sit in the back of the bus, and there were segregated waiting rooms at the dr. office.

I liked many of the black folks I got to know. There was a lady we paid to come clean our humble house twice a month, and she had the best laugh and good natured personality. Despite not having much money, she was one of the most joyous people I have ever known. I don't know where it came from, but I have seen it in other black people I met, and joy is one of the traits I see that I appreciate in many black people.

I was a teen in 60's and 70's, and began to look at the world and think for myself. Of course we went through busing, desegregation of the public schools, riots, race fights at school. But I came to see what blacks were fighting for, and came to see they were right. I have to admire the courage and sacrifice they asserted to gain equal rights. Affirmative action created some injustices for whites in the short run, but I think it was correct to to do that to correct the 200 years of oppression and discrimination whites had inflicted on blacks in america. I believe that was the "reparation" paid, and I no longer believe any additional "reparation" is owed to blacks.

I don't see this negative connotation in the word gypsy, but it may be because I have never been around any that I know of. Many times, these connotations are prevalent is a particular locale, such as the south and its negative stereotype for the N word. Perhaps there is a negative stereotype for "gypsy" in Europe, but not that I know of in the US.

 

[R. Shackleferd]

I'm going to say Romani instead of Gypsy. And I am going to say Romani with the same tone as Gypsy and will only mention them when I have something negative to say about them or when I want to ridicule their culture. I will then create terms like, "They Romanied me out of my money!". Then in ten years from now if it becomes widespread(it wont), people are going to whine about the term Romani.

 

[Cyrillic]

I was raised in Louisiana in the 1950's, by two of the sweetest most honest and ethical racist bigots in the world. They thought Archie Bunker was right!

The N word is despicable to me. I don't know where it started, but it represented a host of negative stereotypical beliefs about all black people. The stereotype was that they were stupid, immoral, and likely criminals. That is why white politicians decided we could not go to the same schools, blacks had to sit in the back of the bus, and there were segregated waiting rooms at the dr. office.

I liked many of the black folks I got to know. There was a lady we paid to come clean our humble house twice a month, and she had the best laugh and good natured personality. Despite not having much money, she was one of the most joyous people I have ever known. I don't know where it came from, but I have seen it in other black people I met, and joy is one of the traits I see that I appreciate in many black people.

I was a teen in 60's and 70's, and began to look at the world and think for myself. Of course we went through busing, desegregation of the public schools, riots, race fights at school. But I came to see what blacks were fighting for, and came to see they were right. I have to admire the courage and sacrifice they asserted to gain equal rights. Affirmative action created some injustices for whites in the short run, but I think it was correct to to do that to correct the 200 years of oppression and discrimination whites had inflicted on blacks in america. I believe that was the "reparation" paid, and I no longer believe any additional "reparation" is owed to blacks.

I don't see this negative connotation in the word gypsy, but it may be because I have never been around any that I know of. Many times, these connotations are prevalent is a particular locale, such as the south and its negative stereotype for the N word. Perhaps there is a negative stereotype for "gypsy" in Europe, but not that I know of in the US.

Niger on Latin means Black. That is origin.
In Europe or at least countries where Romani are in biggest numbers Serbia, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia & Bulgaria there is word Cigani or Tsigan. Names of the Romani people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Word is used in bad way to show that someone is uneducated, dirty and nomad. Same thing what you said for Gypsy. Also for nation. That nation is today called Roma and Cigan is out of use. There was one show where guest didn't wanted to use word Roma but use Cigani instead. Show got sued and lost on court some nice money.

 

[Canell]

I remember my sister going to Switzerland for the summer and being shocked that '****' is used like 'oh man' or 'geesh' - and everyone was saying '****' all the time. LOL - it's just not a bad curseword over there. . . the minister even said it in church: she was horrified. . .

Lol, yeah, blame for that the ****ing Holly-sinister-wood! :lol:

As to the "nigger" word, here it doesn't have negative connotation but yet here black Africans are an exception and "nigger" means just that - black African, to distinguish them from brighter Africans (Egyptians, Algerians, etc.). I suppose the word derives from the river Niger or Nigeria. I had a Nigerian colleague once and I can tell you he was a very decent man and we got along just fine.

Gypsies are ethnic group of people. How should I call them?

 

[Manc Skipper]

And what of English trying to be ''World language''!

English isn't trying to be a world language, it just is. Spread by empire, commerce, and computers.

 

[DiAnna]

Why is it in the USA bad thing to say nigger to Blacks or Indian to Native American but Gypsy to Romani people is OK in English? Romani is even underlined with this read line as mistake! Isn't this wrong?

And don't let me start talking about other minorities that aren't respected in English.

American gypsies call themselves gypsies. They refer to their culture as gypsy culture. They are not offended by it; they named themselves, after all.

Gypsies are not reviled in America as they are in Europe. Most of the gypsies in America were trying to escape oppression and sanctioned slaughter from the time of Hitler's Germany through the East Bloc occupations of the USSR.

Please stop your anti-American tirades throughout this forum. Seriously.

 

[TurtleDude]

Also, in England I could say "I'm gonna go suck on a Fag" and no one would think twice about it. Not the same as if it is uttered here in states

well if its Boy George saying that

just saying...........:mrgreen:

 

[lunchbox]

Whether it's regarded as "sensitivity" or "political correctness," it's not okay to refer to "jewing somebody down" or "gypping" someone. To be fair, I don't think most people realize that "gypping" is an ethnic slur.

That's because gypsies never had their own watchdogs.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Whether it's regarded as "sensitivity" or "political correctness," it's not okay to refer to "jewing somebody down" or "gypping" someone. To be fair, I don't think most people realize that "gypping" is an ethnic slur.

Up until this thread I didn't realize that being 'gypped' was a reference to 'gypsies' . . . maybe that's because I never use the term or such phrasing.

 

[Paschendale]

Up until this thread I didn't realize that being 'gypped' was a reference to 'gypsies' . . . maybe that's because I never use the term or such phrasing.

I didn't know that either for a long time. Of course, I also always assumed it was spelled with an "i". But either way, I don't think there's really much negative stereotyping of Romani people in the United States. The image conjured up is always of freedom, of a nomad lifestyle. Not unlike, for example, the lifestyle of a John Wayne character. I've never once heard the word "Gypsy" used as a derogative. Whether the image is accurate or not, I think it meshes well with a lot of American ideals. I don't think when Americans use the word, they're even referring to an ethnicity. In American English, I think Gypsy refers to a lifestyle, not necessarily to Romani people.

The modern use may not fit with the word's historic origins, but I'd prefer it to mean something good than something cruel.

 

[roughdraft274]

Why is it in the USA bad thing to say nigger to Blacks or Indian to Native American but Gypsy to Romani people is OK in English? Romani is even underlined with this read line as mistake! Isn't this wrong?

And don't let me start talking about other minorities that aren't respected in English.

I don't have enough time to give a **** about the feelings of every group that want to make up some slight against them. Gypsy is the term for gypsy's. Therfor, I will call them gypsy's.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

I didn't know that either for a long time. Of course, I also always assumed it was spelled with an "i". But either way, I don't think there's really much negative stereotyping of Romani people in the United States. The image conjured up is always of freedom, of a nomad lifestyle. Not unlike, for example, the lifestyle of a John Wayne character. I've never once heard the word "Gypsy" used as a derogative. Whether the image is accurate or not, I think it meshes well with a lot of American ideals. I don't think when Americans use the word, they're even referring to an ethnicity. In American English, I think Gypsy refers to a lifestyle, not necessarily to Romani people.

The modern use may not fit with the word's historic origins, but I'd prefer it to mean something good than something cruel.

Where I grew up: gip meant to throw up. LOL . . . I didn't realize that it meant 'to be cheated' to most people. Just like gay use to mean happy - and now it doesn't to most people.

 

[PeteEU]

I call them Romani.. since I for some reason have a problem spelling to gypsis... gysis.. gypsy!.

Oh and in the UK they are called travellers for some reason...

 

[Thorgasm]

Can we call them vagabonds?

 

[Aunt Spiker]

I call them Romani.. since I for some reason have a problem spelling to gypsis... gysis.. gypsy!.

Oh and in the UK they are called travellers for some reason...

Who's called a piky? Or is it picky? They used it for slang on a movie for 'gypsy' but I didn't know if that was a real term or not.

 

[PeteEU]

Who's called a piky? Or is it picky? They used it for slang on a movie for 'gypsy' but I didn't know if that was a real term or not.

Pinky is a term used for homosexuals.. well can be.

And Pinky in Grease was Romani if I remember right. .. might be that you are thinking off.

 

[joko104]

Why is it in the USA bad thing to say nigger to Blacks or Indian to Native American but Gypsy to Romani people is OK in English? Romani is even underlined with this read line as mistake! Isn't this wrong?

And don't let me start talking about other minorities that aren't respected in English.

Since you so obviously enjoy making racial slurs as you did in your message I suppose you are best qualified to explain why people use racist slurs as you do.

These threads and messages are sickening to me. They are just excuses people find to post racial slurs - claiming that is not their purpose - and inviting others to join in with them. That's how I see it. You could have made your identical message without your finding your joys in posting such slurs yourself.