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New survey shows 100% of economists say lower taxes doesn't increase government reven

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I thoroughly agree.

America has not been productive since the 1990s. We've had a huge FALSE economy from 1998 to 2006 supported by the dumbest housing bubble in history. This artifial wealth caused a shopping spree that made our economy look much better than it really was.

Yes, I think we are now living in the new normal and nobody can or will do anything about it.

A new bubble is coming soon and some people will get very rich but it won't improve the job picture. Robots - you heard it here first. 3D printing is an offshoot of robotics and will change the way we buy things. More will be made domestically but the unemployment problem will only be further aggravated.

We're not far from a lifestyle in which the lack of a degree will be fatal. The poor aren't smart enough to stop producing children so the pool of the [perpetually unemployed will continue to grow.



8+++% unemployment is normal? Not historically, but it's very well possible that it may be the new normal.
 
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This is the new normal. Forget about the other unemployment measures, this seems the most representative of the current situation.

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The sweet spot seems to be around 63% I did not want to go back further in time since women have started working more, though it is debatable whether or not this has been a positive change. Anyway, the point is that this latest recession wiped out about 7% of U.S. jobs. That's about 9 million jobs. We have a long, long way to go before this gets corrected, and the government's current policies obviously aren't working.

Thanks for posting that. I have always thought that the percent employed is a much better measure of our economic health than the unemployment rate. I wish that the media and gov would both stop reporting unemployment and report % of total population employed.

Thats what worries me. I do agree that this may very well be the new normal and that aside from a bubble or significant government intervention that unemployment lower than 7 or 8% may be rare in the future.

What makes me believe that it is the new normal is the fact that retail sales are not at a all time record high, and so is the GDP. This indicates that we have become so much more productive during the past 5 years or so that we no longer need 63% of our population working to produce what we consume.

See, as long as you arn't trying to make it out like people who are left of yourself are engaging in class warfare, then we have a heck of a lot in common.
 
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I thoroughly agree.

America has not been productive since the 1990s. We've had a huge FALSE economy from 1998 to 2006 supported by the dumbest housing bubble in history. This artifial wealth caused a shopping spree that made our economy look much better than it really was.

Yes, I think we are now living in the new normal and nobody can or will do anything about it.

A new bubble is coming soon and some people will get very rich but it won't improve the job picture. Robots - you heard it here first. 3D printing is an offshoot of robotics and will change the way we buy things. More will be made domestically but the unemployment problem will only be further aggravated.

We're not far from a lifestyle in which the lack of a degree will be fatal. The poor aren't smart enough to stop producing children so the pool of the [perpetually unemployed will continue to grow.

Well over 10 years ago 3d printing was supposed to be the next big deal, and trade journals were predicting that it would become commercially available within 5 years. Now it is rarely even mentioned in trade journals. Sure, it will happen, but the time and expense to create a simple plastic part will initally be so much more expensive than traditional manufacturing that it 3d printing will likely not have much affect on anything (you heard it here first).
 
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Except you think that a bubble or significant government intervention is the only way to solve the problem. It's a pretty huge difference.

And the problem is the scarcity of capital which would be used to direct production where consumers are actually demanding it which would fuel higher employment. But with record low interest rates and every measure imaginable taken to discourage savings, how can we ever expect to experience this genuine growth.
 
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The spin is strong with this one. Can't even get past that since it smacks you in the face so.

Actual statement:

"cut in federal income tax rates in the US right now would raise taxable income enough so that the annual total tax revenue would be higher within five years than without the tax cut”.

somehow equals:

"Lower taxes doesn't increase government revenue"

A question regarding a SPECIFIC situation at a SPECIFIC point in time somehow has the OP asserting it as if it's simply a general fact. Rather dishonest interpritation to begin.

But then it continues...

The OP is correct to say 0% agreed in the main post, but again has a dishonest subject where he says 100% say that lower taxes doesn't increaes government revenue. Even if we're to ignore the previous problem in that statement I already pointed out, the 100% figure by itself is dishonest. By the OP's own link, 13% did NOT agree. Is 87% still a large number? Absolutely...which begs the question that if honest discussion was the purpose, why dishonestly exaggerate an already strong number?
 
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Better take another look.

3 d printers - edit - hide Mkt Cap
DDD 39.35 +0.47(1.21%) 2.18B
SSYS 66.80 -0.27(-0.40%) 1.43B
HPQ 19.42 +0.46(2.43%) 38.29B
ADSK 35.39 +0.14(0.40%) 8.13B

It's just around the corner now.

Well over 10 years ago 3d printing was supposed to be the next big deal, and trade journals were predicting that it would become commercially available within 5 years. Now it is rarely even mentioned in trade journals. Sure, it will happen, but the time and expense to create a simple plastic part will initally be so much more expensive than traditional manufacturing that it 3d printing will likely not have much affect on anything (you heard it here first).
 
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Dealing with deficit issues is a complex situation that involve taxes, spending, growth and considerable nuance within said categories. Asking an open-ended question like "how are we going lower our debt" has many different but reasonable answers from multiple economic perspectives.

The specific question asked in the OP is an open and shut question. The tax cuts in 2001 and 2003 produced a notable decrease in revenue. Thinking that the results would be any different starting from an even lower tax rate today is wishful thinking. I don't expect everyone to agree that tax increases are the solution, but people need to accept reality in regards to the impact of additional tax cuts.
 
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Except you think that a bubble or significant government intervention is the only way to solve the problem. It's a pretty huge difference.

And the problem is the scarcity of capital which would be used to direct production where consumers are actually demanding it which would fuel higher employment. But with record low interest rates and every measure imaginable taken to discourage savings, how can we ever expect to experience this genuine growth.

No, there is no "problem" remember? 7+++% unemployment is the new normal. What I said was that unless we either had another bubble or government intervention, we may not see unemployment below 7%, maybe not even below 8%.

If there is no problem, then there is no solution because there is really no problem to solve.

As far as the "unfunded" liabilities, thats just an accounting issue, not a real life production/consumption/standard of living issue. Our standard of living depends far more on how much we produce than it depends on any accounting entry. Each year most of our "wealth" (true wealth, not money) is consumed. Only a fairly small percent of our wealth (again, true wealth, not money) exists from year to year, just thinks like durable products and real estate improvements. Our standard of living is based upon what we produce each year, not upon accounting entries. If we produce less per person, then our aggregate standard of living is reduced, if we produce more per person then our aggregate standard of living tends to increase.

Now lets say that instead of having unfunded liabilities, that those liabilities were funded, and all that money had been removed from our economy and was stored in a gov vault somewhere. Would we be any better off? Would that stored money actually produce additional food and products when it came time to start drawing on it? Whats the difference between us just getting money out of the vault, and printing new money when the time comes? I really don't see that there is any difference, and for every penny of money taken out of circulation today, there has to be another penny created to replace it our else we will not have sufficient of a supply of money to facilitate our current trade. Money isn't the same thing as wealth or production, it's just a representation of value, with which we use to facilitate trade.

Think about it, if our gov wanted to, they could print up enough money right now to retire the debt, and then just stick it in storage, and state that we have enough money to payoff the debt and to fund unfunded liabilities. Of course if it did that, there would be absolutely no change in our economy. We wouldn't have inflation because the money wouldn't be circulating, it wouldn't increase our economy or decrease it. I guess it might make some people feel better to think that we had enough money to pay future obligations. But why even bother, because we can do that whenever we actually have the need for money to pay debts. Right now we have no need, there are tons of people and countries and businesses willing to loan our gov money at an interest rate lower than inflation, and thats a darn good deal for the taxpayer.

For hundreds of years (if not thousands) we have had an increasing population of retired people. We haven't had huge shortages due to retired people because our productivity have increased at a rate faster than our retired population has. With us becoming more and more productive, and with things like 3-d printing (assumably) just around the corner, then I can't image why we would become any less productive or why productivity wouldn't continue to grow at a rate faster than our unemployed population grows.

So our saving grace is that we are most likely going to become more productive as our population of retired people increases, and as the "unfunded liabilities" come due. Again, the accounting entries really don't effect our aggregate standard of living, just our production. The only way that unfunded liabilities would become an issue is if our production per person started decreasing, and thats highly unlikely, unless of course we just run out of natural resources.
 
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Better take another look.

3 d printers - edit - hide Mkt Cap
DDD 39.35 +0.47(1.21%) 2.18B
SSYS 66.80 -0.27(-0.40%) 1.43B
HPQ 19.42 +0.46(2.43%) 38.29B
ADSK 35.39 +0.14(0.40%) 8.13B

It's just around the corner now.

Lets meet at this same place 5 years from today and see how much 3d printers have effected our lives.

I actually hope you are correct!
 
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Won't need 5 years. Check out some of those companies like DDD and SSYS.

Robots have already replaced many manufacturing jobs. Look at car manufacturing.

That's why Obusha is preparing us for the welfare state. Many, many people will never find work again. Those who do will be paid less and less.


Lets meet at this same place 5 years from today and see how much 3d printers have effected our lives.

I actually hope you are correct!
 
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Won't need 5 years. Check out some of those companies like DDD and SSYS.

Robots have already replaced many manufacturing jobs. Look at car manufacturing.

That's why Obusha is preparing us for the welfare state. Many, many people will never find work again. Those who do will be paid less and less.

My doubt is about 3d printing becoming a significant force, not about automation in general. I know a little about printing and manufacturing, been in both industries for decades, and I just can't see how a 3d printer could be more efficient that the way that we already produce. It will be great though for producing the occasional part when we need it in a matter of hours and don't want to wait for it to be shipped, so when the technology does become available, it will be a small net plus for our economy.

I agree with you that automation is going to continue to allow us to produce more with fewer people, which is one of the reasons that the "unfunded liabilities" don't worry me. Sure, in the future we will likely have to either have a higher tax rate (which assuming that we have more production might not reduce our aggregate standard of living at all), or maybe the same tax rate that yields more revenue because we become so much more efficient and because we sell so many more products, or possibly just print more money which will be needed to facilitate more trade, or most likely, a combo of all of that.
 
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Thanks for posting that. I have always thought that the percent employed is a much better measure of our economic health than the unemployment rate. I wish that the media and gov would both stop reporting unemployment and report % of total population employed.

Thats what worries me. I do agree that this may very well be the new normal and that aside from a bubble or significant government intervention that unemployment lower than 7 or 8% may be rare in the future.

What makes me believe that it is the new normal is the fact that retail sales are not at a all time record high, and so is the GDP. This indicates that we have become so much more productive during the past 5 years or so that we no longer need 63% of our population working to produce what we consume.

See, as long as you arn't trying to make it out like people who are left of yourself are engaging in class warfare, then we have a heck of a lot in common.

It is not a matter of what we see, but what we are going to do about it. You seem to believe that government intervention should prop up the economy... which creates a bubble. The cash for clunkers program didn't generate any new spending, it only moved up future new car purchases to take advantage of the program at the expense of the future sales. When the government money dried up, so too did the sales.
 
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Thanks for posting that. I have always thought that the percent employed is a much better measure of our economic health than the unemployment rate. I wish that the media and gov would both stop reporting unemployment and report % of total population employed.

No kidding. Tougher to manipulate such a simple division as #employed / #population.

As for this:
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The sweet spot seems to be around 63% I did not want to go back further in time since women have started working more, though it is debatable whether or not this has been a positive change. Anyway, the point is that this latest recession wiped out about 7% of U.S. jobs. That's about 9 million jobs. We have a long, long way to go before this gets corrected, and the government's current policies obviously aren't working.

I'm not sure the sweet spot is 63% or that it's realistic that we'll get back to that, because one has to consider what's driving the economy during those up times. How much worse might the employment ratio have become had the housing boom not kicked in around 2003? How much of that uptick from '03 to '07 was helped by the bubble? Maybe that second boom just bought us some more time, giving people another false sense of security in the economy's fundamentals. What assurance is there, necessarily, that we'll ever return to those levels?

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The spin is strong with this one. Can't even get past that since it smacks you in the face so.

Actual statement:

"cut in federal income tax rates in the US right now would raise taxable income enough so that the annual total tax revenue would be higher within five years than without the tax cut”.

somehow equals:

"Lower taxes doesn't increase government revenue"

A question regarding a SPECIFIC situation at a SPECIFIC point in time somehow has the OP asserting it as if it's simply a general fact. Rather dishonest interpritation to begin.

But then it continues...

The OP is correct to say 0% agreed in the main post, but again has a dishonest subject where he says 100% say that lower taxes doesn't increaes government revenue. Even if we're to ignore the previous problem in that statement I already pointed out, the 100% figure by itself is dishonest. By the OP's own link, 13% did NOT agree. Is 87% still a large number? Absolutely...which begs the question that if honest discussion was the purpose, why dishonestly exaggerate an already strong number?

It has been the case that lower taxes don't increase government revenue. A growing economy increases government revenue.

as for the 87% number I have no idea where you got that from .
 
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It has been the case that lower taxes don't increase government revenue. A growing economy increases government revenue.

as for the 87% number I have no idea where you got that from .

It has also been the case that a growing federal gov't does not increase the private economy. ;-)
 
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It has also been the case that a growing federal gov't does not increase the private economy. ;-)

General statements like that really don't mean much. The WPA is a perfect example of the public sector expanding the private sector as was the GI bill after WW2.
 
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It has also been the case that a growing federal gov't does not increase the private economy. ;-)

Can you provide a chart for the past 50 or 80 years that show any correlation, or lack of correlation, between gov spending and the private economy? That would be interesting to see. Or can you only "prove" that by cherry picking data? I mean I am not saying that you are right or wrong, I just want to know what the real truth is.

If you can reasonably convince me that increases in gov spending harm the private sector economy (actual empirical historic proof, not theoretical conservative rhetoric), then I will be all for cutting gov spending.

If the data turns out that increases in gov spending help the private sector, then of course we should all be for increases in gov spending, liberals and conservatives alike. Anything else would be to wish harm unto our population.

If more gov spending does nothing to harm the private economy and nothing to help it (no historic correlation, which is what I think is most likely as the benefits and drawbacks of gov spending probably closely cancel each other out), I would still be all for growing gov just based upon the fact that more people are employed in total (once you include gov employees) and more public sector goods (roads, education, stronger military, police, firefighters, food inspectors, etc) are produced. Even a slight bit improvement in what gov provides me, assuming that it does no harm to the private sector, is preferable to lower gov services.

You have a one in three shot of swaying me to your opinion, I will try to be fair and open minded. Go ahead, make me a believer in reducing gov spending.
 
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Can you provide a chart for the past 50 or 80 years that show any correlation, or lack of correlation, between gov spending and the private economy? That would be interesting to see. Or can you only "prove" that by cherry picking data? I mean I am not saying that you are right or wrong, I just want to know what the real truth is.

If you can reasonably convince me that increases in gov spending harm the private sector economy (actual empirical historic proof, not theoretical conservative rhetoric), then I will be all for cutting gov spending.

If the data turns out that increases in gov spending help the private sector, then of course we should all be for increases in gov spending, liberals and conservatives alike. Anything else would be to wish harm unto our population.

If more gov spending does nothing to harm the private economy and nothing to help it (no historic correlation, which is what I think is most likely as the benefits and drawbacks of gov spending probably closely cancel each other out), I would still be all for growing gov just based upon the fact that more people are employed in total (once you include gov employees) and more public sector goods (roads, education, stronger military, police, firefighters, food inspectors, etc) are produced. Even a slight bit improvement in what gov provides me, assuming that it does no harm to the private sector, is preferable to lower gov services.

You have a one in three shot of swaying me to your opinion, I will try to be fair and open minded. Go ahead, make me a believer in reducing gov spending.

You and I both know the answer to that is "it depends". Obviously spending on infrastructure and "true" national defense are apt to be benefitial to the private economy. When the gov't gets out of control (bounds?) then spending tends to go toward crony capitalism, vote buy social programs and loony adventures into "causes" that are deemed popular to "try out". We also know that, once started, gov't programs GROW and morph into other things. We now have 47 job training programs (not counting those for the disabled, that adds 50+ more) funded at the federal level, yet we still have a HUGE unemployment problem. We have been fighting a "war on poverty" and a "war on drugs" for MANY decades yet are at best achieving a stalemate in both. The "farm" bill is now 80% SNAP, food give aways or straight up income redistribution, yet we plod right along on insisting that it "helps". In order for gov't to help the private economy it must supply something NEEDED by that private economy - free food, clothing and shelter for those out of work is not it but costs PLENTY that could be used better. It is time to SERIOUSLY look at where ALL of that gov't spending goes, not to blow off all but the "big ticket" items and concentrate on those. We still have moronic things like the NASA art program, the cowboy poetry festival and performance bonus awards to gov't employees for simply doing their jobs (maybe). When the typical "priavate" employee is expected to work until age 69/65 to get SS/Medicare yet the typical gov't employee may "retire" at age 55 (or younger) to get THEIR gov't provided benefits we MAY have too much gov't spending.
 
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General statements like that really don't mean much. The WPA is a perfect example of the public sector expanding the private sector as was the GI bill after WW2.

That is true yet they were temporary (or supposed to be). We now have 80% of the "farm" bill that is SNAP, simple food give away programs entirely desinged for PERMANENT income reditribution. We pretend that SS costs money when, in fact, it MAKES money - yet Medicare and Medicaid lose MASSIVE amounts of money and we then add PPACA to that, rather than replace EITHER of them. There is tremenduos overlap in MANY gov't programs yet all have lobbyists and campaign donors to keep those gov't funds plowing to "the right" programs. Every DC politician ASSURES us, as Obama did, that this will be stopped if only we elect them, yet more gets added and nothing gets cut. Yes they can!
 
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That is true yet they were temporary (or supposed to be). We now have 80% of the "farm" bill that is SNAP, simple food give away programs entirely desinged for PERMANENT income reditribution. We pretend that SS costs money when, in fact, it MAKES money - yet Medicare and Medicaid lose MASSIVE amounts of money and we then add PPACA to that, rather than replace EITHER of them. There is tremenduos overlap in MANY gov't programs yet all have lobbyists and campaign donors to keep those gov't funds plowing to "the right" programs. Every DC politician ASSURES us, as Obama did, that this will be stopped if only we elect them, yet more gets added and nothing gets cut. Yes they can!
Hey I agree, our government is corrupt and idiotic. That's our fault :(
 
"Even mainstream economists can see no merit in the idea. In a recent survey (June 26, 2012) conducted by the IGM Economic Experts Panel – coordinated by the the Booth School at Chicago University (so hardly heterodox) not one of the panel thought a “cut in federal income tax rates in the US right now would raise taxable income enough so that the annual total tax revenue would be higher within five years than without the tax cut”. The weighted responses suggested that 57 per cent strongly disagreed and an additional 39 per cent disagreed (4 per cent we uncertain).

For those that are bad at math that is 0% agreed.

You might like to read this interesting and easy to understand critique of the Laffer Trickle-Down myth – http://www.faireconomy.org/research/TrickleDown.html”>Trickle-Down Economics: Four Reasons Why It Just Doesn’t Work.

Poll Results | IGM Forum

The comedian still trying to make us laugh | Bill Mitchell – billy blog

This is essentially showing that all academic economists agree that supply side doesn't work, when it pertains to raising tax receipts.

Yes, and if are drilled that jumping off a bridge can do no harm for your entire student life, you will keep repeating that there's no harm that can come from jumping off a bridge.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2003/08/the-historical-lessons-of-lower-tax-rates

Here, some examples of what's happened when taxes were cut.

Oh, and the guys also got a phd of his own...
 
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You and I both know the answer to that is "it depends". Obviously spending on infrastructure and "true" national defense are apt to be benefitial to the private economy. When the gov't gets out of control (bounds?) then spending tends to go toward crony capitalism, vote buy social programs and loony adventures into "causes" that are deemed popular to "try out". We also know that, once started, gov't programs GROW and morph into other things. We now have 47 job training programs (not counting those for the disabled, that adds 50+ more) funded at the federal level, yet we still have a HUGE unemployment problem. We have been fighting a "war on poverty" and a "war on drugs" for MANY decades yet are at best achieving a stalemate in both. The "farm" bill is now 80% SNAP, food give aways or straight up income redistribution, yet we plod right along on insisting that it "helps". In order for gov't to help the private economy it must supply something NEEDED by that private economy - free food, clothing and shelter for those out of work is not it but costs PLENTY that could be used better. It is time to SERIOUSLY look at where ALL of that gov't spending goes, not to blow off all but the "big ticket" items and concentrate on those. We still have moronic things like the NASA art program, the cowboy poetry festival and performance bonus awards to gov't employees for simply doing their jobs (maybe). When the typical "priavate" employee is expected to work until age 69/65 to get SS/Medicare yet the typical gov't employee may "retire" at age 55 (or younger) to get THEIR gov't provided benefits we MAY have too much gov't spending.

I "liked" your post because I pretty much agree with you about wasteful, stupid, redundant and just plain silly gov programs, but you still didn't provide any information that indicates that excessive gov spending harms our economy. Maybe there is just no historic evidence that supports such claim.
 
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Yes, and if are drilled that jumping off a bridge can do no harm for your entire student life, you will keep repeating that there's no harm that can come from jumping off a bridge.

Historic Tax Cuts and Economic Growth | Lessons of Lower Tax Rates

Here, some examples of what's happened when taxes were cut.

Oh, and the guys also got a phd of his own...

Every bit of that article has been very successfully refuted by dozens of detailed studies. The problem with the study is that it attributes everything good to tax cuts, and it ignores all the bad stuff that happened due to the tax cuts. Of course there is a multitude of factors that effect our economy, and many of those tax cuts didn't correspond with gov spending cuts. Your article used cherry picked dates and events, and then distorted the evidence, and ignored evidence that to the contrary of the authors position.

I'm neither republican or democrat, neither conservative or liberal. I could care less what party or ideology "wins" the arguement. I just want to know the truth, free of spin. Now compare your article to JP's. JP's article was written by someone who is apparently neutral. It's easy to figure that out because his conclusion supported neither the left or the right. He analyzed the median wage, unemployment, and GDP, and not just cherry picked time periods. Now if he was a left leaning idealog, he could have easily cherry picked time periods and facts that supported that higher taxes on the rich harmed our economy, pretty much the way that your "heritage.org" article did. Now don't tell me that you don't know that the Heritage Foundation is a fairly far right political organization that never takes an unbiased viewpoint. From the standpoint of an independant, I find JP's article much more compelling and frankly, honest.

Since you opened the door to cherry picking time periods and facts, please take a closer look at the Reagan economy. Oil prices hit record highs very early in his administration, to the point that oil was much higher than the cost of oil today once adjusted for inflation (and even not adjusted for inflation), a major contributor to the Reagan recession and high inflation rate was the cost of oil. The economy had already had 8 consecutive quarters of expansion by the time the tax cuts went into effect, so to make the claim that tax cuts ended the recession is very dishonest. Reagan pretty much went crazy with deficit spending (despite his "small government" rhetoric - ya, he was a lier just like every other politician), which when combined with lower taxes on the consumer class (possibly) and declining oil prices and the fact that we were already recovering from the worst recession since the Great Depression, drove our economy to new highs. The rich benefited the most from the booming economy thus they naturally paid more in taxes. Also, after the initial tax cut, Reagan spent 6 year increasing taxes, after realizing that he had made a huge mistake. Our economy kept improving, and even improved at a faster rate after Reagan increased taxes. There is absolutely no indicator that reducing taxes at the top brackets added any economic growth at all.

All you have to do was to look at the link that JP posted and it becomes clear that there is no historical evidence that lower taxes on the rich results in a better economy, and no evidence that higher taxes on the rich harms our economy.
 
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It has been the case that lower taxes don't increase government revenue. A growing economy increases government revenue.

Nice back peddle. However you title didn't suggest its "been the case" based on some...well...declaration on your part. Your title suggested that such a statement was what the survey you referenced said which is unquestionably UNTRUE. They stated it in terms of a specific result, for a specific instance, at a specific point in time, and you presented it as some kind of agreement with it in a universal sense.

as for the 87% number I have no idea where you got that from .

Actually, you're right. I got that wrong. I got that number originally by looking at your link, seeing that 8% were undecided and 5% didn't have an opinion, and subtracted that 13% from 100%.

However now that I've looked closer:

8% uncertain / 33% agree / 38% strongly agree / 5% no opinion

That results in 33 + 38 = 71%

So "100% of economics" in the poll do NOT say "lower taxes doesn't increase government revenue". 71% of them state that.
 
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Nice back peddle. However you title didn't suggest its "been the case" based on some...well...declaration on your part. Your title suggested that such a statement was what the survey you referenced said which is unquestionably UNTRUE. They stated it in terms of a specific result, for a specific instance, at a specific point in time, and you presented it as some kind of agreement with it in a universal sense.



Actually, you're right. I got that wrong. I got that number originally by looking at your link, seeing that 8% were undecided and 5% didn't have an opinion, and subtracted that 13% from 100%.

However now that I've looked closer:

8% uncertain / 33% agree / 38% strongly agree / 5% no opinion

That results in 33 + 38 = 71%

So "100% of economics" in the poll do NOT say "lower taxes doesn't increase government revenue". 71% of them state that.

yes, but 100% of that 71% state that. The other 29% are either ignorant, or wrong.

But more importantly, 9 out of 10 dentist recommend toothpase, and Crest is toothpaste, so 9 out of 10 dentists recommend Crest...and Colgate, and Aquafresh, and Aim and Gleem and also that economy brand.
 
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