PrometheusBound
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And I got threatened with exclusionist banning. I love Big Brother!There is nothing wrong with racism. Gotcha.
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The first time I heard the bullying slogan, "This is a republic, not a democracy" was from a Far Right fringe group in 1969. Before that, we took it for granted that we were a democracy and all the influential people told us so. A republic is an oligarchy, which inevitably turns into a plutocracy or hereditary aristocracy, then collapses from the growing exclusion of those who formerly gave it its strength.
"I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands: one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all."
Whoa there Chief:" I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
You forgot some shipmate........The Goat Locker would have never accepted that......
No, I got it exactly the way it was written in 1892 before the changes. The Chief's Mess was established on April 1, 1893. (Happy Birthday, brother). Therefore, the Original Mess would have recited it basically like that until the early 1920's.
Before my time shipmate.............its always been the goat locker for me...........I guess a lot of things have changed since I retired though.................The guys in the goat locker would have got a big kick out of seeing a pregant Chief but I saw one the other day.
We still call it the Goat Locker. The Mess is more popular these days tho. There were also pregnant Chief's when you were still active duty. YNC Loretta Walsh was the first female Chief in 1917. I am sure a few managed to get pregnant in the 70 years before you retired. (I used to teach a CPO heritage class. I have a brain full of CPO trivia)
My post was in response that the term "Republic" came about by radicals in 1969. We have been called a Republic for quite a bit longer than that.
well I retired August 1977 and there might have been pregnant chiefs but I never saw one........Oh and I was talking about the "Under God" in the pledge......
well I retired August 1977 and there might have been pregnant chiefs but I never saw one........Oh and I was talking about the "Under God" in the pledge......
well I retired August 1977 and there might have been pregnant chiefs but I never saw one........Oh and I was talking about the "Under God" in the pledge......
True, but we were told that a republic was just another name for a democracy, no difference. The anti-democratic slogans "mob rule" and "tyranny of the majority" weren't used back then either. A great nation makes a lousy "republic." Being told since then that we are just an irrational and vicious mob and bloodthirst tyrants has sapped our pride. Without pride, the majority will soon have nothing to be proud about anyway. Self-fulfilling prophecy."I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands: one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all."
True, but we were told that a republic was just another name for a democracy, no difference. The anti-democratic slogans "mob rule" and "tyranny of the majority" weren't used back then either. A great nation makes a lousy "republic." Being told since then that we are just an irrational and vicious mob and bloodthirst tyrants has sapped our pride. Without pride, the majority will soon have nothing to be proud about anyway. Self-fulfilling prophecy.
What's the purpose of defining it a "marriage" as opposed to a civil union? Legally, what are the benefits of marriage as opposed to civil unions? Are there any differences?
Civil unions aren't in your face enough. They MUST be recognized as "normal". That's the primary crux of it.
The true issues vary. Yes, a gay partner should have visiting rights in a hospital, and the ability to make medical decisions if there is a civil union in place. However, should a company be required to carry a gay partner on an insurance plan? Should their credit ratings be tied together like a married couple? Should they have to pay the marriage penalty in taxes? And if they split up (which fail at a much higher rate than heterosexual relationships), how do you split the assets? Who gets the kids if they're raised from birth in the same home?
What's the purpose of defining it a "marriage" as opposed to a civil union? Legally, what are the benefits of marriage as opposed to civil unions? Are there any differences?
If you retired in 77, chances where you were a kid before they added "Under God" to the pledge. Guess it really wasn't "before your time" old man.
The main purpose is equality. Creating a separate institution is not equal.
Civil unions aren't in your face enough. They MUST be recognized as "normal". That's the primary crux of it.
The true issues vary. Yes, a gay partner should have visiting rights in a hospital, and the ability to make medical decisions if there is a civil union in place. However, should a company be required to carry a gay partner on an insurance plan? Should their credit ratings be tied together like a married couple? Should they have to pay the marriage penalty in taxes? And if they split up (which fail at a much higher rate than heterosexual relationships), how do you split the assets? Who gets the kids if they're raised from birth in the same home?
And I got threatened with exclusionist banning. I love Big Brother!
The logic is that as long as inferior behavior is shown by a race, then racism should exist. The race card should be discarded from the deck because there is nothing wrong with racism unless applied to groups that behave well and produce much.
What's the purpose of defining it a "marriage" as opposed to a civil union? Legally, what are the benefits of marriage as opposed to civil unions? Are there any differences?
It's up to the states what they want to do. Personally I don't support gay marriage for religious reasons, but don't oppose it either because America is not a theocracy and states have the rights to define marriage.
Democracy doesn't mean you get to vote on everything. If the majority can vote to take away or deny rights, there aren't any rights.
Peoples' rights and/or equality standards should never be left up to the states.
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