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Nice stuff Yasmina!
She has been in many important positions too, a project manager at Dutch National Cyber Security, and including 'Moroccan-Dutch' organizations.
http://nl.linkedin.com/pub/yasmina-haifi/15/951/121


Netherlands suspends official who said Zionists created ISIS By JTA
08/16/2014
Netherlands suspends official who said Zionists created ISIS | JPost | Israel News
Dutch gov't worker Yasmina Haifi tweeted: “ISIS has nothing to do with Islam. It’s part of a plan by Zionists who are deliberately trying to blacken Islam’s name.”

THE HAGUE, Netherlands — A Dutch government employee who said the ISIS terrorist group was a Zionists conspiracy has been suspended pending further disciplinary steps. Dutch Justice Minister Ivo Opstelten announced the decision about Yasmina Haifi, a former project manager for the ministry’s Cyber Security Center, on Friday, the news agencies ANP and Novum reported.

On Wednesday, Haifi wrote on Twitter: “ISIS has nothing to do with Islam. It’s part of a plan by Zionists who are deliberately trying to blacken Islam’s name.” She later removed the statement, citing work-related “sensitivity.”
Two rightist lawmakers for the VNL faction said they would query the justice ministry as to whether employing Haifi posed a Security threat.

Commenting on Haifi’s statement, Vice Premier Lodewijk Asscher said: “When I heard it it made me sick to my stomach.” Asscher is a member of Dutch Labor, or PvdA, which is also Haifi’s party, according to her personal profile on the social network LinkedIn.
On Friday, Opstelten said: “She will not be returning to this function, not ever,” adding he was “shocked” by the contents of her message. Her statement, he also said, was “incompatible with her responsibilities” and “therefore she was removed. She is not the right person for this job.” He added: “This is not about what anyone’s own beliefs are but about what one expresses, as a civil servant.”

Haifi’s comments came amid a polarizing public debate in the Netherlands about ISIS following three rallies over the past month in The Hague that featured ISIS flags.
Two of the rallies also featured calls to kill Jews
and in the third protesters hurled stones at riot police.

ISIS Is A Zionist Plot; A Jew Is Leading The Group - Reports Claim
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/562727/20140814/isis-zionist-plot-theory.htm#.U_DuI_ldXT8
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Asked about the consequence of her post, Haifi was adamant Not to take back her statements.

"Freedom of expression is apparently only for certain groups. I have taken the liberty to express myself and obviously I have to pay for it. I do not know why I should take it down; this is what I think," Haifi said in an interview with local Radio program Radio 1.

Haifi's suspension was made following calls from MPs Joram van Klaveren and Louis Bontes for the Security and Justice Minister Ivo Opstelten to do all necessary step against Haifi.
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It`s funny how for these people the jews are to be literaly blamed for everything.

I read the report for antisemitism in Germany between 2000 - 2010, where one incident was highlighted where a Turkish man called the Israeli embessey in Berlin and threatend them that the truth about the Israelis causing the Tsunami in 2004 will come out.

It was compared to a newspaper article from the US from the late 19th century, in which a political pundit complained that the railroads being built throughout the US are nothing but a "jewish plot to take control of America".

Stupidity never changes.

I wonder what these people will say when ISIS starts fireing rockets into Israel from Syria, which they will certainly do once they get there.
 
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Has this women offered up any "evidence" to support such a claim?
 
re: Netherlands suspends official who said Zionists created ISIS[W:101]

Has this women offered up any "evidence" to support such a claim?
There is NOTHING more frustrating than posters who Can't/don't even think to use Google.
You have her full name, the theme...
LOOK IT UP!
GOOGLE/research it yourself Dammit!

You want me to do it All, and then you can just say "I disagree"?
I found two stories and her LinkedIn acct.
GOOGLE!
YOU LOOK IT UP if you want more or want to add to the string content.
 
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Nice stuff Yasmina!
She has been in many important positions too, a project manager at Dutch National Cyber Security, and including 'Moroccan-Dutch' organizations.
Yasmina Haifi - Nederland | LinkedIn


Netherlands suspends official who said Zionists created ISIS By JTA
08/16/2014
Netherlands suspends official who said Zionists created ISIS | JPost | Israel News
Dutch gov't worker Yasmina Haifi tweeted: “ISIS has nothing to do with Islam. It’s part of a plan by Zionists who are deliberately trying to blacken Islam’s name.”

ISIS Is A Zionist Plot; A Jew Is Leading The Group - Reports Claim
ISIS Is A Zionist Plot; A Jew Is Leading The Group - Reports Claim - International Business Times

Officials should not go about saying such things. This Dutch official now knows this.
 
re: Netherlands suspends official who said Zionists created ISIS[W:101]

Well she is right about one thing.. ISIS has nothing to do with Islam or any religion.

But blaming racist Jewish Nationalist ideology/organisations... that is a bit of a stretch to say the least. Then again, Zionists extremists were one of the original terrorist groups in modern times, so that connection there is.
 
re: Netherlands suspends official who said Zionists created ISIS[W:101]

Well she is right about one thing.. ISIS has nothing to do with Islam or any religion.

But blaming racist Jewish Nationalist ideology/organisations... .

There is nothing the least bit racist about the right to self determination.


.....even if racists do try to make it out as such.
 
re: Netherlands suspends official who said Zionists created ISIS[W:101]

Well she is right about one thing.. ISIS has nothing to do with Islam or any religion.

Everything ISIS does can be justified with the Quoran.

I know, because I read it. From taking the wifes and daughter of your enemies as slaves, marrying off 14 year olds, decapetating people who are not "worshipers of the book", to stoning "adulterers" and demanding a special tax from non muslims. It`s all in there for everyone to read.

But blaming racist Jewish Nationalist ideology/organisations... that is a bit of a stretch to say the least. Then again, Zionists extremists were one of the original terrorist groups in modern times, so that connection there is.

And here we go again. You always have to try your best in attempting to validate the "jews are evil" angle in almoust every post you make about the middle east.

Europe is ****ing doomed and we Germans are the only ones on this continent who actualy learnd from history.

I sincerely wish your country receives a nice fascist regime in the near future. Maybe that kind of total collapse into barbarism will finaly teach you the lessons that we learnd aswell.

Or maybe you are just a muslim immigrant to Europe, who imported islamic fascism with him.
 
re: Netherlands suspends official who said Zionists created ISIS[W:101]

Everything ISIS does can be justified with the Quoran.

I know, because I read it. From taking the wifes and daughter of your enemies as slaves, marrying off 14 year olds, decapetating people who are not "worshipers of the book", to stoning "adulterers" and demanding a special tax from non muslims. It`s all in there for everyone to read.

And the very same could be said for Christianity, if a large enough number of them were to decide to take it seriously and literally these days. Fortunately, if a renegade group of Christians decided to go this route, they would be destroyed by fellow Christians, and it would not be tolerated, at least not by the western world at large.

Europe is ****ing doomed and we Germans are the only ones on this continent who actualy learnd from history.

I sincerely wish your country receives a nice fascist regime in the near future. Maybe that kind of total collapse into barbarism will finaly teach you the lessons that we learnd aswell.

Or maybe you are just a muslim immigrant to Europe, who imported islamic fascism with him.
I really seriously doubt the bolded. What has happened is that many Europeans are afraid of confronting the radicals, because they don't want to be perceived as hating Muslims in general. If it were Christians, you wouldn't see that hesitation, because they have grown up in largely Christian cultures, thus they don't fear it. There is no hesitation to condemn that which you don't fear- only that which scares you into paying it undeserved homage. If we had a higher percentage of Muslims in this country, I think we'd be seeing the same thing from our own population, especially by those who claim to be liberal.
 
re: Netherlands suspends official who said Zionists created ISIS[W:101]

And the very same could be said for Christianity, if a large enough number of them were to decide to take it seriously and literally these days. Fortunately, if a renegade group of Christians decided to go this route, they would be destroyed by fellow Christians, and it would not be tolerated, at least not by the western world at large.

Oh the old testament is even worse.

The difference is that we dont see Christians out there on a holywar.

Because western civilisation is a modernised civilisation.

I really seriously doubt the bolded. What has happened is that many Europeans are afraid of confronting the radicals, because they don't want to be perceived as hating Muslims in general. If it were Christians, you wouldn't see that hesitation, because they have grown up in largely Christian cultures, thus they don't fear it. There is no hesitation to condemn that which you don't fear- only that which scares you into paying it undeserved homage. If we had a higher percentage of Muslims in this country, I think we'd be seeing the same thing from our own population, especially by those who claim to be liberal.

it is an issue of the European left. The German left, by in large stands behind Israel - because it is seen as a historic responsibility against antisemitism.

The left in places like France or Denmark, see being anti Israel as being anti capitalist and anti american and therefor have no problem posing with islamist filth that actualy stand against everything the European left stood for in it`s history.
 
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Blaming Isis on zionism is ridiculous, it is utter and total nonsense.

She may be right about Isis and Islam. It will not be the Islam most Muslims see as their faith. Just like a lot of Christians will not see Opus Dei or the holocaust denying church group from inside the catholic church.

Isis is the worst kind of cult view of the Qu'aran and is not in accordance with how must Muslims see their faith. If that is what she meant than she is right IMHO but the rest of her statement is BS.
 
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Nice stuff Yasmina!
She has been in many important positions too, a project manager at Dutch National Cyber Security, and including 'Moroccan-Dutch' organizations.
http://nl.linkedin.com/pub/yasmina-haifi/15/951/121


Netherlands suspends official who said Zionists created ISIS By JTA
08/16/2014
Netherlands suspends official who said Zionists created ISIS | JPost | Israel News
Dutch gov't worker Yasmina Haifi tweeted: “ISIS has nothing to do with Islam. It’s part of a plan by Zionists who are deliberately trying to blacken Islam’s name.”



ISIS Is A Zionist Plot; A Jew Is Leading The Group - Reports Claim
ISIS Is A Zionist Plot; A Jew Is Leading The Group - Reports Claim - International Business Times

Didn't you know - according to many European posters on this forum - there is no such thing as anti-Semitism in Europe. And this sort of garbage will only get worse as the Muslim population in these countries continues to increase and they become more politically powerful. These are frightening times.
 
re: Netherlands suspends official who said Zionists created ISIS[W:101]

Well she is right about one thing.. ISIS has nothing to do with Islam or any religion.

But blaming racist Jewish Nationalist ideology/organisations... that is a bit of a stretch to say the least. Then again, Zionists extremists were one of the original terrorist groups in modern times, so that connection there is.

Thought you'd find some way to blame the Jews. Congratulations! You once again reveal your true colors for everybody to see. This has nothing to do with Islam? Really? They are trying to establish a Islamic state for God's sake!

I used to think you were just burying your head in the sand but now I think it's not just abject ignorance but rather something a bit more sinister.
 
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There is nothing the least bit racist about the right to self determination.

Nope nothing wrong with that, unless you are Russian and Palestinian it seems. But the Zionist movement in all its forms is far more than fighting for a "right to self determination"
 
re: Netherlands suspends official who said Zionists created ISIS[W:101]

Everything ISIS does can be justified with the Quoran.

I know, because I read it. From taking the wifes and daughter of your enemies as slaves, marrying off 14 year olds, decapetating people who are not "worshipers of the book", to stoning "adulterers" and demanding a special tax from non muslims. It`s all in there for everyone to read.

And it can be justified in the Bible as well.. so what. There is crap in both books, but that does not force you to follow 2000 year old hokus pokus does it now..

And here we go again. You always have to try your best in attempting to validate the "jews are evil" angle in almoust every post you make about the middle east.

No.. now you are seeing things that are not there.

Europe is ****ing doomed and we Germans are the only ones on this continent who actualy learnd from history.

Yes lets talk about learning from history. Look up Irgun, Lehi, Haganah and Palmach groups.

I sincerely wish your country receives a nice fascist regime in the near future. Maybe that kind of total collapse into barbarism will finaly teach you the lessons that we learnd aswell.

Oh we have had that.. it was the puppet regime of Nazi Germany..

Or maybe you are just a muslim immigrant to Europe, who imported islamic fascism with him.

LOL, so because I know a bit about history then suddenly I am a Muslim with Islamic fascist ideas?
 
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Thought you'd find some way to blame the Jews. Congratulations!

Where do I blame the Jews? All I state is that the Zionist ideology created terror groups back in the day. Should we suddenly deny historical facts because they are inconvenient? It is a fact, that the Zionist movement had terrorist groups among them and it is a fact that some of the founding fathers of Israel were members and hence were terrorists. This is a fact.

You once again reveal your true colors for everybody to see. This has nothing to do with Islam? Really? They are trying to establish a Islamic state for God's sake!

It has nothing to do with Islam. Some morons are using a religion for their own political aspirations, no different than the Pope sending Christian armies to a crusade in the holy lands or Israeli settlers believing they have a god given right to the west bank, or there is justification in the bible to burn girls in Nigeria for witchcraft.

I used to think you were just burying your head in the sand but now I think it's not just abject ignorance but rather something a bit more sinister.

I am not burying my head one bit and the only ignorance here is yours. Religion is a tool nothing more. ISIS is made up of Saddam loyalists, religious fanatics, anti-Assad folks, anti-Iran folks and so on. They are using religion in a propaganda war to gain more followers aka troops to fight their enemies and gain political power... nothing more nothing less. It is about time we see past the religious bull**** that is defining these conflicts and look at the true reason... power over others.
 
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I wonder what these people will say when ISIS starts fireing rockets into Israel from Syria, which they will certainly do once they get there.

They'll borrow from the script of conspiracy theorists and suggest that the attack was a "false flag operation."
 
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I think it's not just abject ignorance but rather something a bit more sinister.

It can only be ignorance the first time. Now that we are to the hudredth or thosandth time, it is malice beyond any doubt.
 
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And it can be justified in the Bible as well.. so what. There is crap in both books, but that does not force you to follow 2000 year old hokus pokus does it now..
No it cannot.
Perhaps some of the OT, but not NT.
Jesus was "turn the other cheek", Mohammed was "kill them wherever you find them."

A Christian Fundamentalist is a Missionary, a Muslim Fundamentalist Kills him.


PeteEU said:
Yes lets talk about learning from history. Look up Irgun, Lehi, Haganah and Palmach groups.
Be my Guest!
Haganah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Haganah and it's offshoots were formed as a Reaction to Arab attacks/strictly defensive.
Only later splitting into several groups including those hitting the British.
Targeting the British Military/Political complex that is (Not Civilians), after they restricted Jewish immigration in 1939, ergo, effectively Sentencing Hundreds of Thousands of Jews to die in Europe.


Q1 ISIS has nothing to do with Islam or any religion.

Q2: It has nothing to do with Islam.

And you have twice uttered the Second most famous terrorist-Apologist line "This has Nothing to do with Islam" (#2 after strawman "Not all muslims are terrorists").
At the same LYING/Self-Impeaching time, you Compare/blame the Zionist ideology for Terrorism, but when this much larger group commits violence in the Name of Islam, a Caliphate, no less..
"It has nothing to do with Islam!"

Denying one ideology is responsible for violence, at the same time comparing it to another ideology and claim only Zionism is the violent one.

Your posts are irrational, Way off the deep end Left, and at least 'anti-Israel'.
 
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No it cannot.
Perhaps some of the OT, but not NT.
Jesus was "turn the other cheek", Mohammed was "kill them wherever you find them."

A Christian Fundamentalist is a Missionary, a Muslim Fundamentalist Kills him.

Horse****. The OT is brutal and bloody compared to the NT yes, but the NT aint as peaceful as most radical Christians claim. Killing gays, and people for breaking the rules, killing unbelievers and so on.

Be my Guest!
Haganah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Haganah and it's offshoots were formed as a Reaction to Arab attacks/strictly defensive.

So basically like Hamas and Hezbollah.

Only later splitting into several groups including those hitting the British.

So like the splinter groups of Hamas and Fatah..

Targeting the British Military/Political complex that is (Not Civilians), after they restricted Jewish immigration in 1939, ergo, effectively Sentencing Hundreds of Thousands of Jews to die in Europe.

So all the civilians killed were what? British military personnel in disguise? Or is it justified because they were Muslim and/or Arab?

And you have twice uttered the Second most famous terrorist-Apologist line "This has Nothing to do with Islam" (#2 after strawman "Not all muslims are terrorists").
At the same LYING/Self-Impeaching time, you Compare/blame the Zionist ideology for Terrorism, but when this much larger group commits violence in the Name of Islam, a Caliphate, no less..
"It has nothing to do with Islam!"

Denying one ideology is responsible for violence, at the same time comparing it to another ideology and claim only Zionism is the violent one.

Wow wait a minute. I am not denying anything. All I am saying is that the ideology is being interpreted and abused by people to justify violence against others. The Bible was abused in this way many times over the centuries and now days the Koran is being abused by certain minorities to gain power over others.
 
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Thought you'd find some way to blame the Jews. Congratulations! You once again reveal your true colors for everybody to see. This has nothing to do with Islam? Really? They are trying to establish a Islamic state for God's sake!

I used to think you were just burying your head in the sand but now I think it's not just abject ignorance but rather something a bit more sinister.

Some arrogant European might say it is quite twisted for you to complain about "anti semmitism" in Europe while America is filled with "anti muslimism", he might even say it would be better if you kept your religious hate where it belongs, and that is not in Europe. Not for jews, not for Muslims and not for American imperialistic ideology.

Refusing to give in to your hatred of muslims and unconditional love for jews has nothing to do with "showing true colors",one does not have to be for or against everything on earth. Some people just want to live a good life and are willing to let other people regardless of their religion do the same.

If you don't understand people, don't judge them, your not equipped to do so...
 
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Some arrogant European might say it is quite twisted for you to complain about "anti semmitism" in Europe while America is filled with "anti muslimism", he might even say it would be better if you kept your religious hate where it belongs, and that is not in Europe. Not for jews, not for Muslims and not for American imperialistic ideology.

Refusing to give in to your hatred of muslims and unconditional love for jews has nothing to do with "showing true colors",one does not have to be for or against everything on earth. Some people just want to live a good life and are willing to let other people regardless of their religion do the same.

If you don't understand people, don't judge them, your not equipped to do so...

First of all, if you are going to attack me, at least use correct grammar. It's 'You're not equipped to do so', not 'your not equipped to do so'.

There is nothing like 'anti-muslim' sentiment in the United States that is in any way comparable to the anti-Semitism of Europe. It's not even in the same galaxy. We don't have angry mobs of people marching on Muslim businesses chanting 'death to Muslims', like you have in Europe with the Jews. We don't have a thousand years of history of anti-Muslim sentiments that match the centuries of anti-Semitism that have dominated European life and made the Holocaust possible.

And we certainly don't have any government officials proclaiming that ISIS is actually a 'zionist' plot. What we do have is a realistic population that recognizes there's a great danger out there from fundamentalist Islam - something which you in Europe refuse to recognize. Instead you'd rather blame the Jews.

It's not surprising that when it came time for somebody to actually do something to stop the ISIS rampage and genocide, it was the United States that stepped up. Europe didn't have the guts or the will to do it. Again.
 
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Some arrogant European might say it is quite twisted for you to complain about "anti semmitism" in Europe while America is filled with "anti muslimism", he might even say it would be better if you kept your religious hate where it belongs, and that is not in Europe. ..

Some arrogant Europeans would certainly say that, but only the most dogmatic and least intelligent. Rational, thoughtful people well-equipped with an understanding of history, politics and culture would say otherwise.
 
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Well she is right about one thing.. ISIS has nothing to do with Islam or any religion.

I would like to say that is a lazy rebuttal, but you offer no opposing evidence. So it's simply 'lazy' and meaningless, or worse. Of course 'religion' plays a part, an extreme interpretation, of course. You would be hard pushed to find a single group who was anymore literalist in their interpretation of religion. Saying that, I'm sure you have one group on your mind?


But blaming racist Jewish Nationalist ideology/organisations... that is a bit of a stretch to say the least.

A bit of a "stretch"? That's an understatement.

Then again, Zionists extremists were one of the original terrorist groups in modern times, so that connection there is.

Different times, different context, and towards a 'totally' different goal. I would really like to see you show this 'comparative' link?

Paul
 
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First of all, if you are going to attack me, at least use correct grammar. It's 'You're not equipped to do so', not 'your not equipped to do so'..

My apologies, grammar gets mixed up sometimes when you speak multiple languages through the day.

There is nothing like 'anti-muslim' sentiment in the United States that is in any way comparable to the anti-Semitism of Europe. It's not even in the same galaxy. We don't have angry mobs of people marching on Muslim businesses chanting 'death to Muslims', like you have in Europe with the Jews. We don't have a thousand years of history of anti-Muslim sentiments that match the centuries of anti-Semitism that have dominated European life and made the Holocaust possible..

It seems there is reading through this forum, there may not be protests but they are hated just the same. I don't understand why you like to bring up the past so much if you adress this "anti semitism". What do modern day Europeans have to do with things that happend before we where born? It's a little easy to talk about European history to make a point if you represent a country as young as the US. Our history from before the population of the US is yours just the same. The people that made history in Europe have their offspring in the US as much as in Europe itself.


And we certainly don't have any government officials proclaiming that ISIS is actually a 'zionist' plot. What we do have is a realistic population that recognizes there's a great danger out there from fundamentalist Islam - something which you in Europe refuse to recognize. Instead you'd rather blame the Jews..

That is quite silly, she did speak her own silly mind though. But everybody knows ISIS is a product of the Syrian rebels and al qaida the US and UK trained and armed that spilled over into the Iraq they weakened severly so we could have some more cheap oil. These terrorists where created, trained, armed and funded by the west to do our bidding in the middle east and central asia but changed their gameplan without consulting us.

The well informed american public seems to be always aware of all sorts of evil that is lurking in the dark and wishes to murder us all in cold blood. There is always somebody to make war on, to murder and to hate, in most cases the public double tasks, now it are the Russians and the Muslims but that can change very quickly of US interest shifts. It seems the well informed American public lives in constant fear, a frightened population is very easily manipulated. (see recent revocations of your freedoms)

Saying Europeans blame the jews for the radical islam is just populistic non sense, where do you get those ideas?

Personally I blame the west in general and the US in specific for the islamic fundamentalist threat that faces Europe, they sponsored, trained and agitated them time after time while weakening local government that thereby could not deal with them anymore. That's what you get if you don't select your proxies on morals.

It's not surprising that when it came time for somebody to actually do something to stop the ISIS rampage and genocide, it was the United States that stepped up. Europe didn't have the guts or the will to do it. Again.

Well, it stepped up when they threatend US interest by dropping some bombs on Fighters that where sneaking up on some concentration of american citizens in Iraq according to Obama. The only ones really stepping up to clean this US/UK mess up is the Kurds and they do it to serve their own interest just the same. There are no more knights in shiny armor these days, just interests, oil, money, power and propaganda.

Being a western capitalist it is very silly to think the world revolves around anything but money. There are enough ISIS like groups in Africa that your heroic politicians do not deal with, there is no money to be made there. I don't blame them, it is not the US her job to send her boys to die in other peoples fights, nor is it ours.
 
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