Natural immunity verses vaccine

[Hughinn]

None of that means anything relevant to the point.

How many of those unvaccinated had contacted covid more than once?

You see why you're not making sense here?

 

[danielpalos]

Yes I agree.
And there are many millions of those people

Yet, these metrics were observed:

Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine.

 

[Deuce]

Show me evidence that the vaccine works markedly better than natural immunity.

800,000 Americans have died attempting to acquire natural immunity.

 

[danielpalos]

None of that means anything relevant to the point.

How many of those unvaccinated had contacted covid more than once?

You see why you're not making sense here?

The point is, that even if they had contracted the pathogen more than once, the vaccine would have been less effective, statistically than it has been measured.

 

[Hughinn]

Yet, these metrics were observed:

Yes I see you're redundant posting.

What's not there is how many of those unvaccinated people had already contracted covid prior to this infection?

My bet is very few. Probably closer to the number of vaccinated people who are hospitalized

 

[Hughinn]

800,000 Americans have died attempting to acquire natural immunity.

And hundreds of millions have succeeded

 

[Hughinn]

The point is, that even if they had contracted the pathogen more than once, the vaccine would have been less effective, statistically than it has been measured.

Are you suggesting that the vaccine is less effective in someone who has already recovered from COVID-19?

That's interesting. I have no idea if that's true or not

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

As they should have made a lot of money. Their vaccines have saved literally millions of lives and trillions of dollars in healthcare costs.

This is what gets me about the people that are anti-vax. They talk about how much pharma makes on the vaccines, which btw, are free to you and sold at a cost of 18 dollars a dose to the government or insurers.

Yet, if they get Covid, they are the first in line for Regeneron, a drug on emergency use authorization just like vaccines were, and it's maker charges the government or insurers several thousand dollars a dose for. Never mind the anti-vaxx lunacy not making good health sense, its terrible financial sense as well.

These people, many of them getting rich of spreading anti-vaxx nonsense, they are lying to you. They don't care anything about you, they just lie to you and make money doing it.

I’m vaccinated and advocate for those at risk to be vaccinated. How am I anti vax?

 

[Hughinn]

You claimed no studies of natural immunity exist because medical science is a conspiracy.

You claimed ignorance. I didn't say you're ignorant. You said you're ignorant. Totally ignorant.

That's your claim about yourself.

No, I claimed that nobody is tracking whether or not these people contracting covid have had a case before and still contracted it again.

You say 80 something percent of new cases are unvaccinated, and I'm asking you how many of those unvaccinated and hospitalized had natural immunity. Because nobody is tracking the secondary cases.

My guess is that very few of those hospitalized currently had natural immunity.

 

[danielpalos]

Yes I see you're redundant posting.

What's not there is how many of those unvaccinated people had already contracted covid prior to this infection?

My bet is very few. Probably closer to the number of vaccinated people who are hospitalized

Does it matter if they were casualties regardless?

 

[ecofarm]

No, I claimed that nobody is tracking whether or not these people contracting covid have had a case before and still contracted it again.

That's false and moronic. Where do you get these idiotic conspiracy theories based on individual ignorance?

Somewhere out there someone is selling: "are you totally ignorant of medical science and current events? Well, then, have we got a conspiracy theory for you!"

No, dude, we do have this data. We do study natural immunity. Your ignorance is being used to sell you conspiracy theory.

 

[danielpalos]

Are you suggesting that the vaccine is less effective in someone who has already recovered from COVID-19?

That's interesting. I have no idea if that's true or not

It should have been observed for any right-wing misinformation to have any credibility whatsoever.

 

[Deuce]

And hundreds of millions have succeeded

Sure, and?

If you just ignore all the times natural immunity has failed, I'm sure the data looks great. Why do you think this is valid?

Let me ask you this: which is the stronger immunity scenario:

1) Unprotected person contracts covid and recovers, gaining natural immunity.

or

2) Person gets vaccinated, acquiring vaccination immunity, then contracts covid and recovers, gaining natural immunity in addition to the vaccination immunity.

 

[Hughinn]

Does it matter if they were casualties regardless?

Yes. They have to have survived covid.

I'm trying to show that natural immunity is real and effective. Because it is.

 

[Hughinn]

That's false and moronic. Where do you get these idiotic conspiracy theories based on individual ignorance?

So you have no answer, no evidence and no intelligent rebuttal so you just sling insults.

Congratulations

 

[ecofarm]

So you have no answer, no evidence and no intelligent rebuttal so you just sling insults.

Congratulations

You are claiming total ignorance. There's no need for me to confront that. I do so for entertainment purposes. Any debate lost meaning when you declared total ignorance.

It's called argument from ignorance. It's all some people know.

 

[Deuce]

Yes. They have to have survived covid.

I'm trying to show that natural immunity is real and effective. Because it is.

Again, this is a straw man. There's nobody on the planet arguing that the immune system doesn't exist. Everybody knows that recovering from a virus means your body is better at fighting that virus in the future. You're declaring victory in a battle nobody but yourself is fighting.

Congratulations.

 

[Hughinn]

Sure, and?

If you just ignore all the times natural immunity has failed, I'm sure the data looks great. Why do you think this is valid?

Let me ask you this: which is the stronger immunity scenario:

1) Unprotected person contracts covid and recovers, gaining natural immunity.

or

2) Person gets vaccinated, acquiring vaccination immunity, then contracts covid and recovers, gaining natural immunity in addition to the vaccination immunity.

When has natural immunity failed? Surely it's success rate is just as high or higher than any vaccination.

In your scenario, once recovered and naturally immune, your as good as vaccinated or better.

"Compound immunity" of both the shot and natural immunity seems ridiculous to me.

 

[Hughinn]

You are claiming total ignorance. There's no need for me to confront that. I do so for entertainment purposes. Any debate lost meaning when you declared total ignorance.

It's called argument from ignorance. It's all some people know.

Apparently you know all about it, with that perfect example of argument from ignorance.

Congratulations on a stellar display.

 

[ecofarm]

Apparently you know all about it, with that perfect example of argument from ignorance.

Congratulations on a stellar display.

That's Facebook pathetic. This is a debate website. Are you ignorant or lying?

 

[danielpalos]

Yes. They have to have survived covid.

I'm trying to show that natural immunity is real and effective. Because it is.

Why was it not observed in the previous study?

 

[Hughinn]

Again, this is a straw man. There's nobody on the planet arguing that the immune system doesn't exist. Everybody knows that recovering from a virus means your body is better at fighting that virus in the future. You're declaring victory in a battle nobody but yourself is fighting.

Congratulations.

So you admit that natural immunity is real and effective, but you still think naturally immune people should be coerced to get the shot?

 

[danielpalos]

When has natural immunity failed?

Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine.

 

[Hughinn]

Why was it not observed in the previous study?

I haven't seen it

 

[Hughinn]

Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine.

I understand your claim of the unvaccinated.

I'm not taking about unvaccinated. I'm talking about natural immunity.

How many of those unvaccinated had natural immunity?

Please just stop the broken record