Nathan Phillips vet status in question

[VanceMack]

Don't forget he went marching at the Basilica in D.C. and attempted to protest during a Catholic mass! Had to get security to throw them out.

I honestly hadnt heard that.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Ok, fine, you personally heard his name before. I don't aim to dispute you personally having heard the name.


The bottom line is that the way this is being deployed is to somehow discredit his account and shift the subject to him, when it's all on video anyway. But no matter what he did regarding "stolen valor", it didn't have anything to do with the reason everyone else is talking about him, which is the events some days ago where a bunch of different people erred in different ways.

It's just a distraction, at least as presented now.

It goes back to content of their character.

Early on, the media and everybody rushed to his side, this "Vietnam Veteran", and he made statements about how they approached and surrounded him, and about how threatened he was. How they were making statements about walls and insulting immigrants and minorities.

And as that started to crumble in the face of more evidence, then people started to look into him. His making claims like this in the past, then his military record (which is horrible). In essence, his military record is important because it helps to show how utterly lacking in integrity this individual is.

I guess you can say he is the Kevin Spacey of "Vietnam Times Veterans".

 

[armycowboy]

I can assure you that they sure don't refer to themselves that way.
I work with recon Marines fairly regularly and haven't ever heard the words recon Ranger or any other type of ranger

Did you work with them back in the '70's?

 

[Acadia]

If it was, there were hundreds of racists at the KC game the other day

Tomahawk chopping while white. Bad.

 

[Acadia]

Phillips' stolen valor has a great deal to do with how viral this story went and how vilified the Catholic boys were. The MSM played up his being and Indian and a Vietnam War vet.
Oh, you bet that was part of the reaction from the Left. A Native American? OMG. But wait! There's more! He's a war vet. A VIETNAM WAR VET!

:skull:

 

[Oozlefinch]

I honestly hadnt heard that.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...-to-disrupt-mass-at-dcs-national-shrine-91038

 

[Mr Person]

It goes back to content of their character.

Early on, the media and everybody rushed to his side, this "Vietnam Veteran", and he made statements about how they approached and surrounded him, and about how threatened he was. How they were making statements about walls and insulting immigrants and minorities.

And as that started to crumble in the face of more evidence, then people started to look into him. His making claims like this in the past, then his military record (which is horrible). In essence, his military record is important because it helps to show how utterly lacking in integrity this individual is.

I guess you can say he is the Kevin Spacey of "Vietnam Times Veterans".

The content of his character does not affect in anyway the rightness or wrongness of what the kids did, of what the black Israelites did, of what the media did in running with the first submitted video.

That's the point. What's going on here is people are trying to deflect from the kids by tarnishing him, and whether or not he deserves tarnishing, it has nothing to do with the kids behavior. The same pattern happens all the time here.




Or, perhaps I'll offer to donate a little extra this year if someone really does want to try to make an argument that the kids knew about his stolen valor and that somehow explains their behavior. That would amuse me.

 

[holbritter]

So who determines what is or is not a "scummy type of veteran?"

I do. If you go AWOL x 3, and lie about what your position was, you're a scummy type of veteran.

 

[Oozlefinch]

The content of his character does not affect in anyway the rightness or wrongness of what the kids did, of what the black Israelites did, of what the media did in running with the first submitted video.

That's the point. What's going on here is people are trying to deflect from the kids by tarnishing him

Ohh, got it. So all that matters is the first video. The highly edited one that makes it appear that the kids approached and surrounded him.

Ignore the complete and unedited ones that show him going up to them. Ignore the fact that his claims have all pretty much been proven false. You are still running with the first video.

No, he tarnished himself, he did not need help from anybody in doing that.

Thank you for playing, have a nice day.

 

[VanceMack]

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...-to-disrupt-mass-at-dcs-national-shrine-91038

Huh...so they are just all around douchebags. No wonder the leftists are so desperate to protect them.

 

[braindrain]

Recon Ranger is not an official term but is a term unofficially and popularly used to apply to Marine Special Operation Reconnaissance members.

I think you are a little bit confused. The only Marines that are actually Special Operations are MARSOC which is not a reconnaissance unit. Now the Marine Corps considers Force Recon Special Operations capable but they have no real tie in with SOCOM so they are not Special Operations.

And like I said earlier I work with both Force and Recon Marines all the time. Have not once heard them refer to themselves as Rangers of any type.

 

[braindrain]

How much of your career was spent in Special Operations? Obviously, not much.

Well I have over a decade and counting. And not once have I heard a Marine refer to himself as a Ranger.

 

[Acadia]

I honestly hadnt heard that.

Phillips tried to make this a Catholic thing. I believe a local chapter of Native Americans was supposed to protest at the Kansas Diocese.:roll:
Mind you, not at any Black Hebrew Islamist center, which supports the men who hurled epithets at NAs, but the Catholic diocese which supports the kids who stood still, said nothing and smiled.

 

[Oozlefinch]

I think you are a little bit confused. The only Marines that are actually Special Operations are MARSOC which is not a reconnaissance unit. Now the Marine Corps considers Force Recon Special Operations capable but they have no real tie in with SOCOM so they are not Special Operations.

And like I said earlier I work with both Force and Recon Marines all the time. Have not once heard them refer to themselves as Rangers of any type.

Same here. None in the original iteration of SOC, Force Recon, FAST, or STA have ever used that term as far as I am aware (other than in some running cadences which each branch frequently lifts from the others).

And he was not even an 03XX, he was a refrigeration repairman.

But that is par for the course, the Army does tend to get confused about things like that. You know how Doggies are.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Huh...so they are just all around douchebags. No wonder the leftists are so desperate to protect them.

Personally, I tend to consider that of any kind of "Professional Activist" or protestor. Even those I tend to agree with.

Any time somebody devotes that much of their life into a single topic or interest, I question their sanity. I do not care if it is abortion, anti-abortion, starting wars, ending wars, increasing vaccination, ending vaccination, it does not matter. When an individual becomes so consumed that their entire life is about one thing, I tend to believe they have lost touch with reality.

And yes, I do recognize more moderate ones. Like say MADD, which for decades has championed tougher laws against drunk driving. However, they have not gone over the deep end and attempted to become an abolitionist movement. They have one goal and are focused on it, but do not try to overreach that actual goal and infringe into other areas.

 

[VanceMack]

Phillips tried to make this a Catholic thing. I believe a local chapter of Native Americans was supposed to protest at the Kansas Diocese.:roll:
Mind you, not at any Black Hebrew Islamist center, which supports the men who hurled epithets at NAs, but the Catholic diocese which supports the kids who stood still, said nothing and smiled.

The Catholic diocese that threw those kids under the bus are as cowardly as Phillips himself.

 

[Acadia]

The Catholic diocese that threw those kids under the bus are as cowardly as Phillips himself.

I'm really disgusted by their PC response, for throwing the boys under the bus and for staying silent, still.
They need to defend. What the Left counts on is the Right taking their abuse and turning the other cheek.

Just look at the outrage over Nick Sandmann hiring a PR firm! How DARE he!

 

[Acadia]

Personally, I tend to consider that of any kind of "Professional Activist" or protestor. Even those I tend to agree with.

Any time somebody devotes that much of their life into a single topic or interest, I question their sanity. I do not care if it is abortion, anti-abortion, starting wars, ending wars, increasing vaccination, ending vaccination, it does not matter. When an individual becomes so consumed that their entire life is about one thing, I tend to believe they have lost touch with reality.

And yes, I do recognize more moderate ones. Like say MADD, which for decades has championed tougher laws against drunk driving. However, they have not gone over the deep end and attempted to become an abolitionist movement. They have one goal and are focused on it, but do not try to overreach that actual goal and infringe into other areas.

Which is why I don't support the Parkland gang. There are a couple of the Parkland kid who have realized what you've written. They realized they were being used by the Left and deep pockets with an agenda. They realized that their pendulums swung way too far in one direction, and now are stepping away from activism to be youth whose lives can move on and not be tethered to anger.

 

[Fledermaus]

You didn't read your own link.

A "wartime veteran" is an individual who served in the active military forces, during a period of armed conflict or who received the armed forces expeditionary or other campaign service medal during an emergency condition and who was discharged or released under other than dishonorable conditions.

World War 2 was a period of armed conflict.

One of two criteria.... You keep missing that.

And did he win any of the expeditionary or campaign medals?

If not, no wartime veteran.

 

[tres borrachos]

One of two criteria.... You keep missing that.

And did he win any of the expeditionary or campaign medals?

If not, no wartime veteran.

"wartime veteran" is an individual who served in the active military forces, during a period of armed conflict

World War 2 was a period of armed conflict.

The Army is an active military force. It's one of five.

There is one criteria, and I posted it from your own link.

 

[Fledermaus]

Well I have over a decade and counting. And not once have I heard a Marine refer to himself as a Ranger.

The only time I heard the term Recon Ranger was in cadence calls...

 

[Fledermaus]

"wartime veteran" is an individual who served in the active military forces, during a period of armed conflict

World War 2 was a period of armed conflict.

The Army is an active military force. It's one of five.

There is one criteria, and I posted it from your own link.

I stand corrected. It was later actions that defined location.

 

[Mr Person]

JFC.

If he himself is guilty of stolen valor, then fine, criticize him separately for that. It still has absolute jack **** to do with the reason you know his name in the first place, and the lot of you know it.

Actually, I have known his name for years.

He first came under the RADAR of Stolen Valor groups way back in at least 2015, because of his using his Veteran status. And more were raised in 2017 after Vogue (a highly respected source of investigative journalism) interviewed him many times. He even tried to crowd fund a story of his life at one time.

But he was a relatively minor when compared to more famous ones like Soupy, or Lawn Dart Danny. Those individuals came under immediate fire because of claiming awards and rank that they never earned. Phillips was largely flying under the RADAR because he only claimed veteran status and never awards. That changed last weekend when everybody was screaming he was a "Vietnam Vet".

Ok, fine, you personally heard his name before. I don't aim to dispute you personally having heard the name.


The bottom line is that the way this is being deployed is to somehow discredit his account and shift the subject to him, when it's all on video anyway. But no matter what he did regarding "stolen valor", it didn't have anything to do with the reason everyone else is talking about him, which is the events some days ago where a bunch of different people erred in different ways.

It's just a distraction, at least as presented now.

It goes back to content of their character.

Early on, the media and everybody rushed to his side, this "Vietnam Veteran", and he made statements about how they approached and surrounded him, and about how threatened he was. How they were making statements about walls and insulting immigrants and minorities.

And as that started to crumble in the face of more evidence, then people started to look into him. His making claims like this in the past, then his military record (which is horrible). In essence, his military record is important because it helps to show how utterly lacking in integrity this individual is.

I guess you can say he is the Kevin Spacey of "Vietnam Times Veterans".

The content of his character does not affect in anyway the rightness or wrongness of what the kids did, of what the black Israelites did, of what the media did in running with the first submitted video.

That's the point. What's going on here is people are trying to deflect from the kids by tarnishing him, and whether or not he deserves tarnishing, it has nothing to do with the kids behavior. The same pattern happens all the time here.




Or, perhaps I'll offer to donate a little extra this year if someone really does want to try to make an argument that the kids knew about his stolen valor and that somehow explains their behavior. That would amuse me.

Ohh, got it. So all that matters is the first video. The highly edited one that makes it appear that the kids approached and surrounded him.

Ignore the complete and unedited ones that show him going up to them. Ignore the fact that his claims have all pretty much been proven false. You are still running with the first video.

No, he tarnished himself, he did not need help from anybody in doing that.

Thank you for playing, have a nice day.

And now come the lies. Shame. I was hoping I could add another conservative to my list of conservatives who are willing to do this honestly.

I never said "all that matters is the first video." That is a complete, ugly, and intentionally dishonest distortion of what I've said. Yet again, I've been forced to copy/paste an entire set of replies so what I really did say is obvious. In short, I placed blame on a whole lot of people. I said no one person's wrong makes another person's wrong right. I said it ALL matters, but it ALL is independent in placement of guilt.

You claim that's saying only the first video matters. The perversity of it is that you seem to be acting like only the vet's stolen valor matters. You want nothing the kids did to matter because, at some other time and place, he did not correct the media for calling him a "Vietnam Veteran" when in fact he merely served during that period. Unless you want to make the laughable argument that the kids did what they did because they knew it, you aren't even trying to say it's relevant to the reason it's been brought up.



I'd laugh if this wasn't another instance in a long line of things spelling the doom for American democracy.

 

[braindrain]

So if he served during the Vietnam War, he was a Vietnam veteran. Yes, I knew that already.

My father was a World War 2 veteran. He never left Syracuse, New York.

I honestly don't know the official government policy on who is a veteran of what but I do know that neither I or any of the guys I am serving with consider someone who hasn't gone to Iraq a Iraq war veteran or if they never went to Afghanistan they are not Afghanistan veterans.
Now when this guys get out they are veterans but not Iraq or Afghanistan veterans. I don't see why it would be any difference for Vietnam or Korea.

 

[braindrain]

There’s a difference between being a Vietnam vet and a Vietnam era vet.

Exactly

I would have to really question any person who calls themselves a Vietnam vet and never set foot in Vietnam.