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My Thoughts on Trans Pronoun Usage

Redress said:
When Robert asks you to call them Bob, do you get all offended? Do you always blame others for your emotional issues? That is what I think about pronoun usage.
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"emotional issues" indeed.

snowflakery 100%
 
Here in the south we have a solution for all this confusion. We call everyone hon, sugar, baby and such. Only when they done did something that is somewhat untowards, we add "God love 'em", or "bless their heart'.
 
Redress said:
When Robert asks you to call them Bob, do you get all offended? Do you always blame others for your emotional issues? That is what I think about pronoun usage.
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A name isn't a pronoun.
 
Irredentist said:
No, but if I tell them that their God is fake directly to their face every time I meet them, that would be pretty freaking rude.
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But you refusing to agree with a chrisitan that God is real is the same thing.
 
Irredentist said:
You see, I think the real issue here is that you actually don't respect the beliefs or values of transgender people, and that is the reason that you aren't willing to use preferred pronouns. And while you're not necessarily obligated to be respectful with the people you talk to, it does make you a rude person if you're not.
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THen by the same logic you do not respect the beliefs of Christians.
 
Irredentist said:
This is incorrect, I am not saying that you have to respect the opinions of trans people. I am saying that you are a rude person if you don't use someone's preferred pronouns. Using preferred pronouns does not mean that you are professing belief that transgenderism is real. In the same sense, me saying that I don't personally believe in God is not the same thing as telling someone else that their God is fake.
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WEll even should i grant it were rude, thats not really the driving force behind the rage at pronouns.
The rage is because you are denying their false claim, that you are not agreeing with the trith claim.
 
NatMorton said:
You can’t hurt what’s not there.
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you are obviously troubled by this, and I think you are quite sensitive to the subject. Hence, SNOWFLAKE. If you weren't, you wouldn't be posting about it.
 
I like when the Dunning-Kruger crowd pretends to have an opinion based on science.
 
madman said:
you are obviously troubled by this, and I think you are quite sensitive to the subject. Hence, SNOWFLAKE. If you weren't, you wouldn't be posting about it.
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And if all you can muster are personal attacks then you’ve arrived without an argument.
 
NatMorton said:
As so often happens on this topic, and just recently in an other thread this morning, someone has again attempted to lecture me about the evils of using the “wrong” pronouns. They claim it is disrespectful. I disagree, because what I find even more disrespectful is to lie to someone, even if they wish to be lied to.

The key thing to understand is that I do not share the left’s faith-based definition of gender. My definition is rooted in one’s DNA, not one’s imaginings or delusions. For that reason I would not, for example, refer to a trans woman as “she.” Out of respect, however, and in when in the presence of that trans woman, I would avoid masculine pronouns or the like with the understanding that using them would likely cause offense. While it may make for some award sentence structure, this is the compromise I’m willing to make.

In short, call yourself whatever you want, but if “let’s pretend” is your game you’re in no position to make demands that I join in the masquerade and perpetuate what I consider to be a lie.
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It really doesn't take much effort to be polite and respect someone.
 
NatMorton said:
As so often happens on this topic, and just recently in an other thread this morning, someone has again attempted to lecture me about the evils of using the “wrong” pronouns. They claim it is disrespectful. I disagree, because what I find even more disrespectful is to lie to someone, even if they wish to be lied to.

The key thing to understand is that I do not share the left’s faith-based definition of gender. My definition is rooted in one’s DNA, not one’s imaginings or delusions. For that reason I would not, for example, refer to a trans woman as “she.” Out of respect, however, and in when in the presence of that trans woman, I would avoid masculine pronouns or the like with the understanding that using them would likely cause offense. While it may make for some award sentence structure, this is the compromise I’m willing to make.

In short, call yourself whatever you want, but if “let’s pretend” is your game you’re in no position to make demands that I join in the masquerade and perpetuate what I consider to be a lie.
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1) how many trans people have you actually ever talked to?
2) why are you so fascinated with trans topics?
 
NatMorton said:
As so often happens on this topic, and just recently in an other thread this morning, someone has again attempted to lecture me about the evils of using the “wrong” pronouns. They claim it is disrespectful. I disagree, because what I find even more disrespectful is to lie to someone, even if they wish to be lied to.

The key thing to understand is that I do not share the left’s faith-based definition of gender. My definition is rooted in one’s DNA, not one’s imaginings or delusions. For that reason I would not, for example, refer to a trans woman as “she.” Out of respect, however, and in when in the presence of that trans woman, I would avoid masculine pronouns or the like with the understanding that using them would likely cause offense. While it may make for some award sentence structure, this is the compromise I’m willing to make.

In short, call yourself whatever you want, but if “let’s pretend” is your game you’re in no position to make demands that I join in the masquerade and perpetuate what I consider to be a lie.
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To try to deny the proper pronouns by claiming that gender is linked to DNA is scientifically ignorant, intellectually dishonest and clumsy. There isn't just one just gene involved in determining a persons gender identity but instead there are many. You might want to start another search to defend transphobic bigotry because trying to deny genetics is a losing battle.


Results: The principal components analysis (PCA) showed that both populations (cis and trans) differ in the degree of global CpG methylation prior to GAHT. The 2-way ANOVA test showed 71,515 CpGs that passed the criterion FDR p < 0.05. Subsequently, in male assigned at birth population we found 87 CpGs that passed both criteria (FDR p < 0.05; fold change ≥ ± 2) of which 22 were located in islands. The most significant CpGs were related to genes: WDR45B, SLC6A20, NHLH1, PLEKHA5, UBALD1, SLC37A1, ARL6IP1, GRASP, and NCOA6. Regarding the female assigned at birth populations, we found 2 CpGs that passed both criteria (FDR p < 0.05; fold change ≥ ± 2), but none were located in islands. One of these CpGs, related to the MPPED2 gene, is shared by both, trans men and trans women. The enrichment analysis showed that these genes are involved in functions such as negative regulation of gene expression (GO:0010629), central nervous system development (GO:0007417), brain development (GO:0007420), ribonucleotide binding (GO:0032553), and RNA binding (GO:0003723), among others.


Strengths and Limitations: It is the first time that a global CpG methylation analysis has been carried out in a population with gender incongruence before GAHT. A prospective study before/during GAHT would provide a better understanding of the influence of epigenetics in this process.


Conclusion: The main finding of this study is that the cis and trans populations have different global CpG methylation profiles prior to GAHT. Therefore, our results suggest that epigenetics may be involved in the etiology of gender incongruence.
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www.frontiersin.org

Frontiers | Epigenetics Is Implicated in the Basis of Gender Incongruence: An Epigenome-Wide Association Analysis

Introduction: The main objective was to carry out a global DNA methylation analysis in a population with gender incongruence before gender-affirming hormone ...
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I think politeness dictates that if a person wants to be refered to a certain way than I will refer to them that way.

I do find "they" and "them" difficult for gramitical reasons. Those words are plural. Referring to an individual with a plural pronoun is hard for me, and when somone else does it it's confusing. "They said.....", me: "who said.....", "Gabe said...." my mind: "but Gabe is one person, they is plural".
 
If it bothers you just call everyone 'comrade.' problem / solution.
 
Airyaman said:
1) how many trans people have you actually ever talked to?
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Haven’t kept count, but as I mentioned earlier, I have had two work colleagues transition. One was a former boss.

Airyaman said:
2) why are you so fascinated with trans topics?
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I’m not. It probably just seems that way because you’re groping to be right about something.
 
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