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Mussolini and Hitler were right wing dictators

Captain Adverse said:
If you mean by "who wo a war?" then of course "they did not end up the same."

However, they both ended up being controlled by one Party organizations which tolerated no competitors. They both ended up (before Italy lost a war) with strong men in control supported by some form of Administrative State.
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This is a really childish, coloring book view of history and of political systems.

Captain Adverse said:
In every case, whether Nazi, Fascist, Communist, etc., the common citizens had little choice and no control.
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No shit. :rolleyes:

Captain Adverse said:
They were at the mercy of the State machine. In every case the government was a form of socialism.
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Good God, you don't know what socialism is - and you claimed to have been an attorney once?
 
Ultimately, 'left' and 'right' and 'center' have some uses, but can hurt people's understanding and discussion, and serve as substitutes for actual policy effects, instead giving people 'team names' to attack and root for and identify with. They also are relative. Today's Republican Party and 1950's Republican Prty are both the 'right' parties, but are quite different.
 
KLATTU said:
Sounds to me like they have a little bit of both of right and left ( as Nat brilliantly points ).

and the Jew hating that is going now is coming mostly from the left.Especially on this forum!
Hitler would have loved those folks!
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Fascists are extremely right wing culturally and tend to be neutral economically.
 
KLATTU said:
Sounds to me like they have a little bit of both of right and left ( as Nat brilliantly points ).

and the Jew hating that is going now is coming mostly from the left.Especially on this forum!
Hitler would have loved those folks!
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No, Nat is saying that every dictatorship is fundamentally left wing, which is a hilarious, albeit completely wrong position to take.
 
I'm old and forgetful, but didn't right wing Nazi fascists and left wing Soviet commies kill each other by the millions in WWII?
 
NatMorton said:
That is simply a label.
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Which is meaningful for all of us who deal with reality rather than a Trumpian "alternative reality".

NatMorton said:
I understand why you'd be uncomfortable with an honest answer to that question.
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I provided the poop on Nazism directly from Wikepedia.

You can spin it all you want, but most folks here see right through your semantical BS.

As I was saying the other day in a different thread, you always defend the far-right and its talking points.

Here you are back at it again, trying to deny that "Nazism" and "far-right" are anological and congruous.
 
More TDS and hate with projection from a newb.

Should fit right in with the rest of them.
 
Slavister said:
Most of these is exactly what far right wants... Just like far left.

The parts you are wrong about are whether industry is nationalized or privatized. Far left wants them nationalized. Nazi's and far right wanted them privatized.

"When Adolf Hitler became Chancellor of Germany in 1933, he introduced policies aimed at improving the economy. The changes included privatization of state owned industries, import tariffs, and an attempt to achieve autarky (national economic self-sufficiency). ... after the Nazis took power, industries were privatized en masse. Several banks, shipyards, railway lines, shipping lines, welfare organizations, and more were privatized.[45] The Nazi government took the stance that enterprises should be in private hands wherever possible."

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I'm sure he privatized them with Nazi party members in charge and willing to obey Hitler. Its a distinction without a difference.
 
DrewPaul said:
I'm sure he privatized them with Nazi party members in charge and willing to obey Hitler. Its a distinction without a difference.
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It's quite a significant difference. Private industry in Nazi Germany maintained a significant degree of autonomy that would be unheard of in the Soviet Union. The Nazi economy was more planned than America's peacetime economy, but nowhere near as much as the Soviet's.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Here you are back at it again, trying to deny that "Nazism" and "far-right" are anological and congruous.
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I agree it's labeled "far right," but I continue to point out that from a policy standpoint it's much closer to the left, and I'm right about that.
 
Dictarships can be monarchies (examples too numerous to mention), theocracies (Iran), military, (from the right, Hitler, from the left Stalin), Roman emperors were dictators, Genghis Khan was a dictator.

To say all dictators are left wing betrays an ignorance of history so profound it rivals the Marianas Trench.

And while I'm here...

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Fascism vs. Communism vs. Socialism: Differences Explained

Wondering what the difference between fascism vs. communism is? Maybe fascism vs. socialism? Uncover the differences between the political systems here.
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Irredentist said:
I must have missed the part where ultranationalism, jingoism, xenophobia, and social conservatism were left wing policies.
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They intersect with the left when highly centralized government becomes the means for achieving policy objectives.
 
NatMorton said:
They intersect with the left when highly centralized government becomes the means for achieving policy objectives.
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An oversimplification so extreme it rivals "See Spot run."
 
KLATTU said:
Sounds to me like they have a little bit of both of right and left ( as Nat brilliantly points ).

and the Jew hating that is going now is coming mostly from the left.Especially on this forum!
Hitler would have loved those folks!
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Pretty funny coming from the guy who refuses to denounce Trump for quoting Hitler and talking like a Nazi.
 
pocket aces said:
Pretty funny coming from the guy who refuses to denounce Trump for quoting Hitler and talking like a Nazi.
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Ok you ready? " Trump-I hereby denounceth thee".

Hmmm, interesting . I don't see you denouncing a certain poster who has flooded this forum with revolting ant-Semitic posts, #FAR# worse thaan anything Trump siad about Hitler ( whatever that was)
 
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Irredentist said:
Having a large, authoritative central government is neither fundamentally a right wing nor a left wing policy. It can be either. The fact that there are both conservatives and liberals who advocate such a government form ought to clue you into that.

As for the economy of Nazi Germany, it was somewhere in between the command economy of the Society Union, and the capitalist economy of the United States, sharing features of both, but aligning perfectly with neither.
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this is correct.

the right and left sides of democratic government do not align with the principles of authoritarianism, except for radicals on the outskirts trying to mimic one or the other for their own purposes.
 
Irredentist said:
Ah, but a highly centralized government is not actually a policy goal in and of itself. A centralized government is a means toward achieving policy goals.
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Yes, exactly, the same means that the Nazis used. I think you’re finally starting to get it.
 
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