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Mussolini and Hitler were right wing dictators

NatMorton said:
No, they were much closer to the left than the right: expansive government, centralized political authority, national industrial policy,
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None of these things are alien to the right wing.

NatMorton said:
anti-competition, anti-markets, and
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The Nazis were not anti-competition nor were they opposed to the idea of the market. Competition was considered a desirable Aryan concept.

NatMorton said:
largely intolerant of differing political views.
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lol
 
NatMorton said:
Would you say the Nazis were closer to people who advocate for larger, stronger government or those who call for smaller, more limited government?
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The idea that "small, limited government" is intrinsic to right wing politics is an invention of modern Republicans.
 
JoeyVimsanteThePoet said:
Hitler and Mussolini Were Right Wing.
Lots of right wingers try to claim Hitler and Mussolini Were left wing. When in reality they said they were right wing.
I am centre-left.
I am against the far-right.
I support democracy, peace, and the best of capitalism and socialism.

I would like to point out Hitler and Mussolini admitted themselves they were right wing.
This is a taken from a speech by Adolf Hitler, April 12, 1921
'There are only two possibilities in Germany; do not imagine that the people will forever go with the middle party, the party of compromises; one day it will turn to those who have most consistently foretold the coming ruin and have sought to dissociate themselves from it. And that party is either the Left: and then God help us! for it will lead us to complete destruction - to Bolshevism, or else it is a party of the Right which at the last, when the people is in utter despair, when it has lost all its spirit and has no longer any faith in anything, is determined for its part ruthlessly to seize the reins of power - that is the beginning of resistance of which I spoke a few minutes ago. Here, too, there can be no compromise - there are only two possibilities: either victory of the Aryan or annihilation of the Aryan and the victory of the Jew.'
So that shows that Hitler saw himself and his ideology as right wing.
Mussolini wrote in The Doctrine of Fascism, ‘doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the right, a Fascist century’..
So that shows Mussolini saw himself as right wing.
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I disagree. Communism and Fascism are simply two forms of Socialism.

Review your history of Benito Mussolini and his creation of Fascism. He was initially a Communist but began to think that what was truly needed was a socialist system better led by a "strong man with a vision" rather than the communist vision of a "committee of the best and brightest."

As for Hitler? The name of the Nazi Party was literally National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte).

In both cases, the idea was a government with centralized control of the economy, means of production, and pretty much everything else. But as stated, "strong man rule" as opposed to "rule by committee."

Historically, the only real difference between nations led by Communists and Fascists was how long it took for the "strong man" to be identified. Just check your history. In Russia it was Lenin, followed by Stalin. In China it was Mao, followed by the system currently. In North Korea it was Kim Il Sung, in Cambodia (Kampuchea) it was Pol Pot. etc.
 
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Were/Are there any left-wing dictators?
 
Irredentist said:
Your book doesn't define political theory now, does it? There is nothing fundamentally left or right wing about a large, authoritarian central government. There have been right wing dictatorships, and there have been left wing dictatorships.
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It defines it a great deal better than does yours.
 
Captain Adverse said:
I disagree. Communism and Fascism are simply two forms of socialism.

Review your history of Benito Mussolini and his creation of Fascism. He was initially a Communist but began to think that what was truly needed was a socialist system better led by a "strong man with a vision" rather than a "committee of the best and brightest."

As for Hitler? The name of the Nazi Party was literally National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte).

In both cases, the idea was a government with centralized control of the economy, means of production, and pretty much everything else. But as stated, "strong man tule as opposed to "rule by committee."
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Except the Nazis never had centralized control of the economy, or the means of production. Socialists aren't generally known for mass privatization of formerly state owned industries. In fact that's the opposite of socialism.
 
NatMorton said:
No, much like today's American liberals, they favored a large, authoritative central government and only differ by a matter of degree. What the Nazis were is miles away from the policies of smaller government, free markets, and individual liberty of most (though I will not claim all) conservatives.
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GOP president since at least Herbert Hoover built a centralized government and economy.

You’re not making an argument that reflects historical reality.
 
NatMorton said:
No, they were much closer to the left than the right: expansive government, centralized political authority, national industrial policy, anti-competition, anti-markets, and largely intolerant of differing political views.
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:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: That's your view of the left? You have apparently been grossly misled.
 
Josie said:
Were/Are there any left-wing dictators?
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There were plenty of left wing dictators. One famous one was Joseph Stalin.

There were also plenty of right wing dictators such as Pinochet.
 
NatMorton said:
It defines it a great deal better than does yours.
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No it doesn't. In your book, left wing is just a catch all for any government form or policy that you don't like. It has no actual meaning. It's just a way for you to smear people you disagree with.
 
Captain Adverse said:
As for Hitler? The name of the Nazi Party was literally National Socialist German Workers' Party
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SNOWFLAKE said:
Some fool is bound to pop on here at some point and remind us that Hitler was a Leftist because..........
National Socialist German Workers' Party

Wanna bet?
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If people would only study history instead of just repeating mantras they "heard" somewhere. JAYSUS. I suppose if I created a party called The Extreme Rightwing Fruitcake Party of Canada, you would believe that the title should be taken literally???

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

The Nazi Party

The National Socialist German Worker’s Party, also known as the Nazi Party, was the far-right racist and antisemitic political party led by Adolf Hitler.
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www.britannica.com

Were the Nazis Socialists? | Britannica

What’s the difference between National Socialists and every other kind of socialist?
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Captain Adverse said:
I disagree. Communism and Fascism are simply two forms of Socialism.

Review your history of Benito Mussolini and his creation of Fascism. He was initially a Communist but began to think that what was truly needed was a socialist system better led by a "strong man with a vision" rather than a "committee of the best and brightest."

As for Hitler? The name of the Nazi Party was literally National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte).

In both cases, the idea was a government with centralized control of the economy, means of production, and pretty much everything else. But as stated, "strong man rule" as opposed to "rule by committee."

Historically, the only real difference between nations led by Communists and Fascists was how long it took for the "strong man" to be identified. Just check your history. In Russia it was Lenin, followed by Stalin. In China it was Mao, followed by the system currently. In North Korea it was KIm Il Sung, in Cambodia (Kampuchea) it was Pol Pot. etc.
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Ahh yes, someone was stupid enough to go with the party title.

And I guess you think the DPRK is a democracy too.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
This is, at best, a complete misunderstanding of what any of these terms mean.
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Not really. It is a response based on a lifetime study of various forms of social organization.

Communism and Fascism are simply two sides of the same coin. They always end up with someone in charge, while the rest follow.

The same is true of Democracy, which typically turns out to be majority (led by one of more dominating person(s)) dictating to the opposing minority (led by those in the minority opposition seeking to displace those leaders), or some form of strong man rule (Dictatorship, Monarchy, Chairman of a Committee, etc.).
 
It's interesting that a political party that couldn't muster even a respectful minority of votes in favor of censuring Rep. Tlaib (D-Gaza) for her using a genocidal slogan aimed at Israel's Jews seems to think its further from Nazism than those in the other party who voted unanimously for the censure.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Communism and Fascism are simply two sides of the same coin. They always end up with someone in charge, while the rest follow.
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This could describe basically any form of government that's existed since the dawn of time. It's so reductive as to render the terms practically meaningless.
 
Nazism is the common name in English for National Socialism is the far-right totalitarian political ideology and practices associated with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party (NSDAP) in Nazi Germany.[2][3][4] During Hitler's rise to power in 1930s Europe, it was frequently referred to as Hitlerism. The later related term "neo-Nazism" is applied to other far-right groups with similar ideas which formed after the Second World War.
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Nazism - Wikipedia

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No matter what nonsense NatMorton spews, Nazism and Fascism are far-right ideologies.
 
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