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Museum of Tolerance backer: No to WTC mosque

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There's tolerance and then there's tolerance, argues Wiesenthal Center's leader as he celebrates grand opening of group's anti-prejudice museum in Manhattan. Planned Islamic center is too close to 9/11 site, he insists.

Museum of Tolerance backer: No to WTC mosque - Crain's New York Business

The new Museum of Tolerance New York opened in the heart of Manhattan this week, citing an ambitious mission to help enlighten city residents and tourists on issues of discrimination, prejudice and social inequality.

But the museum's financial backer, the Wiesenthal Center of Los Angeles, says it cannot tolerate the planned location near Ground Zero for a mosque and Islamic community center.

Rabbi Meyer May, the Wiesenthal Center's executive director, on Thursday called the mosque's proposed location “insensitive” to the people who experienced the 9/11 attack that killed nearly 3,000 in 2001 and are still dealing with “extraordinarily painful wounds.”...
But, there's more to the story...

In Jerusalem, Israel—where the Wiesenthal Center plans to open its next Museum of Tolerance—construction of the proposed tolerance museum has “resulted in digging up the remains of people who had been buried in a Muslim cemetery for generations,” Ms. Lazreg said.
 

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The word tolerance IMO is ill-defined, people view tolerance as being nice. When in fact tolerance should be defined as being against using the jackboot thugs of the government to violate the rights of a fellow citizen.
 

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The word tolerance IMO is ill-defined, people view tolerance as being nice. When in fact tolerance should be defined as being against using the jackboot thugs of the government to violate the rights of a fellow citizen.
Small government, except for enforcing my moral views on the rest of the population!
 

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Holy **** a real museum of tolerance?!

I wonder if it has a "Tunnel of Prejudice"? That ride looked AWESOME! I'd want to go on it again and again.

I wonder if it has a wax museum with stereotypes like the "Asian whose good at math" or the "Sleepy Mexican whose to lazy too do his job".

Its like the next best thing to a planet.arium

In all seriousness, this is rather ironic that they're complaining about the insensitivity of the location (which I agree with) while on the other side of the world they're digging up a graveyard.
 

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Small government, except for enforcing my moral views on the rest of the population!
You must have me confused with statists like Erod, Grim, Jmac, Ric, Conservative and Mr Vicchio. I suppor the construction of the Mosque because as of right now there has yet to be presented evidence that the owners of the land are illegal aliens or/and obtained the land illegally.
 

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Holy **** a real museum of tolerance?!
There is one in Los Angeles, already.

In all seriousness, this is rather ironic that they're complaining about the insensitivity of the location (which I agree with) while on the other side of the world they're digging up a graveyard.
Isn't it? LOL
 

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Perhaps this Mosque people should change their approach. They could put in a Christian, Jewish, Muslim and Bhuddist place of worship under the same roof and truly try to bring together people of all the 4 major religions and effect togetherness and outreach... all together. Then they could call it something like "The World Outreach and Tolerance Center". Think the Imam would go for that?
 

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I've heard that someone suggested to place a gay bar next to the mosque. I'm sure they won't mind, we all know how tolerant zealots are.
 

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I've heard that someone suggested to place a gay bar next to the mosque. I'm sure they won't mind, we all know how tolerant zealots are.
And a barbecue restaurant with a big pig on the sign. ^.^
 

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My god yes. If I had the money or an investor that would go in on it I would TOTALLY start a BBQ place whose servers are skimply clad females preferably of middle eastern descent called "Uncle Mo's Bombin BBQ!" with a big americanized version of Muhammed smiling while holding a pig in an embrace as the logo. Think this, but with Muhammed instead of a big scruffy southern guy:



Then again, I can be a tactless douche who feels like the best way to react to tactless douches is to give them their own medicine back at them.

That and I'd bet dollars to donuts it'd make some great scratch.
 
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The war raging between Jews and Muslims reminds me of something else....OH YEAH



Also, the slogan for the movie is so true in this situation as well.
 

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Holy **** a real museum of tolerance?!

I wonder if it has a "Tunnel of Prejudice"? That ride looked AWESOME! I'd want to go on it again and again.
I'd never heard anyone else mention this, so I googled it and saw there was a south park episode about it. I actually had to help run a real life "tunnel of prejudice" when I was an RA. There was a kid lying there in a blood covered shirt with a label that said "Matthew Shepard," there was a skinny girl on a bike surrounded by pictures of models and talking about needing to get thinner, there was an interracial couple sitting on a bench that would say "what are you looking at" as you walked by, etc.

true story.
 

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But, there's more to the story...
There is indeed more to the story.

There is a Muslim cemetery in this area. As I understand things though, a portion of this cemetery was turned into a municipal parking lot in the early 1960's. Muslim's did not object to this on the grounds that the graves were deeper than the asphalt layer and thus would not be disturbed. Be that as it may, telephone cables, electrical lines, drainage and sewage lines were laid deep into the ground without any protest. Thousands of cars (Jewish and Muslim) have parked on this lot every day for nearly fifty years. Since the MoT stipulated that its construction project would not go any deeper than the original parking lot infrastructure, the Supreme Court gave the go-ahead permission to begin construction. The logic was fairly simple: no Muslim complaints of desecration occurred in the previous fifty years, and since the MoT is not going any deeper than the fifty year old parking lot infrastructure, nothing significant is actually changing.

But problems have surfaced. Muslim desecration complaints. The Israeli Archaeological Authority has charged that the digging actually is going deeper than what was proposed. The MoT architect - Frank Gehry - resigned in January of 2010 over design criticisms. A group of Jerusalem architects has filed suit that the MoT design violates Jerusalem building codes for new construction (it does). A group of Jerusalem Rabbi's (allied in this with Muslims) have filed a motion in Jerusalem's religious court that the site be declared religiously unclean (disturbed graves). Such a motion would prohibit observant Jews from visiting the MoT if it is built on this parcel.

Mot/Jerusalem is not an Israeli initiative. The Simon Wiesenthal Center is an American chartered organization based in Los Angeles. I personally think they should find an alternative nearby site such as the old abandoned Jlem Bus Station.
 

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Mot/Jerusalem is not an Israeli initiative. The Simon Wiesenthal Center is an American chartered organization based in Los Angeles. I personally think they should find an alternative nearby site such as the old abandoned Jlem Bus Station.
Yes, I understand this. And, your idea of finding an alternative location is a good one.

But as the article states, the MoT has a rather...interesting...perspective on tolerance.
 

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Yes, I understand this. And, your idea of finding an alternative location is a good one.

But as the article states, the MoT has a rather...interesting...perspective on tolerance.
I've never visited the Simon Wiesenthal Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles, but from what I understand it focuses almost exclusively on the Holocaust.

Strange that Jerusalem was selected for a new MoT because the largest Holocaust museum/archive in the world is already located in Jerusalem... Yad Vashem.


Photo courtesy of Yad Vashem
 

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Strange that Jerusalem was selected for a new MoT because the largest Holocaust museum/archive in the world is already located in Jerusalem... Yad Vashem.
Yup. It might be an idea to site it somewhere more in need of the message of tolerance... Tehran? Moscow? Rome even?
 

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I've never visited the Simon Wiesenthal Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles, but from what I understand it focuses almost exclusively on the Holocaust.

Strange that Jerusalem was selected for a new MoT because the largest Holocaust museum/archive in the world is already located in Jerusalem... Yad Vashem.


Photo courtesy of Yad Vashem
Simon Wiesenthal Center is interesting. Of course, you know Simon Wiesenthal was the famous nazi hunter, which kind of explains the emphasis on the holocaust.
 
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