Mueller testimony delayed by one week

[hanger4]

Changing the meaning of it is what you did and what Barr did and what Trump did in cherry picking a part of a much larger sentence.

"Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

and this statement

"The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign"

Put those two together and the results are damning for the Trump Campaign.

The complete sentence give a far different meaning to both the activities of the Russians and their impact on the willing Trump campaign.

Shame on Barr and Trump and Trumpkins everywhere for furthering a falsehood. History will judge all of you to be enablers and excusers of the modern day Judas.

And again, this;

"the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

did not change. The ONLY way it changes is Mueller "DID establish", yet Mueller "DID NOT establish".

Team Mueller did not establish a conspiracy or coordination, you can ignore it, you can deny it, you can parse all the words you want, but the FACT remains, Mueller "DID NOT ESTABLISH" a conspiracy or coordination.

 

[hanger4]

What did Mueller say about collusion?

Your observation with the irrelevant is fascinating.

 

[Thoreau72]

The President of the United States obstructing justice is plenty important.

Trump is not the first POTUS to obstruct justice or commit other crimes in office. I don't care for Trump, but others have caused far more harm to the US Constitution, or at least an equal amount.

 

[Thoreau72]

And again, this;

"the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

did not change. The ONLY way it changes is Mueller "DID establish", yet Mueller "DID NOT establish".

Team Mueller did not establish a conspiracy or coordination, you can ignore it, you can deny it, you can parse all the words you want, but the FACT remains, Mueller "DID NOT ESTABLISH" a conspiracy or coordination.

Right you are, and that is what Judge Friedrich says too: Another Nail in the Russiagate Coffin? - LewRockwell

 

[haymarket]

if the evidence is strong enough....it will satisfy most

100% no...but most....

that is why Nixon resigned....he knew the evidence was damning....

Nixon only decided to resign when a group of Republican moderates and others visited the White House and informed him the votes were there to convict him should it go that far. Evidence is great - but it must be received with an open mind and Republicans ready to act accordingly and damn their own party leader.

That is NOT evident in todays hyper tribal climate.

 

[humbolt]

How can the House carry out an investigation if the White House orders all its people to not cooperate and withholds all key evidence demanded?

See Thomas Jefferson.

 

[hanger4]

Nixon only decided to resign when a group of Republican moderates and others visited the White House and informed him the votes were there to convict him should it go that far. Evidence is great - but it must be received with an open mind and Republicans ready to act accordingly and damn their own party leader.

That is NOT evident in todays hyper tribal climate.

*That is NOT evident in todays hyper tribal climate.*

You're right, think Bill Clinton.

 

[haymarket]

*That is NOT evident in todays hyper tribal climate.*

You're right, think Bill Clinton.

Bill Clinton has not been our president since January eighteen years ago. Get a life and deal with the here and now.

 

[hanger4]

Bill Clinton has not been our president since January eighteen years ago. Get a life and deal with the here and now.

And Nixon hasn't been our President in 45 years.

Get a life and deal with the here and now.

 

[haymarket]

And Nixon hasn't been our President in 45 years.

Get a life and deal with the here and now.

I don't get what you mean. My post clearly referred to today. What does Nixon have to do with today?

 

[hanger4]

I don't get what you mean. My post clearly referred to today. What does Nixon have to do with today?

You said,

*That is NOT evident in todays hyper tribal climate.*

The climate during Clinton's impeachment and trial was just as hyper tribal.

 

[haymarket]

You said,

*That is NOT evident in todays hyper tribal climate.*

The climate during Clinton's impeachment and trial was just as hyper tribal.

I respectfully disagree. I would urge you to rad the excellent book by Steve Kornacki which she how the Clinton impeachment was but a step
to today which is far far worse.

But it is all opinion.

 

[Athanasius68]

How can the House carry out an investigation if the White House orders all its people to not cooperate and withholds all key evidence demanded?

Checks and balances. The Executive Department is not subservient to the legislative.

 

[haymarket]

Checks and balances. The Executive Department is not subservient to the legislative.

Of course not for they are equal - something Trump overlooks and ignores.

 

[j-mac]

And months later you still are yet to produce the rest of that cherry picked sentence.

Your gross dishonesty if more than revealing.

What exactly is "the rest" that you believe nullifies that sentence?

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[haymarket]

What exactly is "the rest" that you believe nullifies that sentence?

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from the Mueller Report

"Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

and they also said this

"The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign."

and

"A statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean that there was no evidence of those facts."

Very damning to Trump and his campaign and it is obvious wile Barr tried to willingly and purposely deceive and defraud the American people with his cherry picked edited portions of the report and why Trump took the Barr deceit even further by claiming the report finds no collusion and clears him.

and we also have this damning statement which calls into serious question the breadth and accuracy of the findings against the Trump campaign

"Third, the investigation established that several individuals affiliated with the Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with Russian-affiiated individuals and related matters. Those lies materially impaired the investigation of Russian election interference."

 

[Athanasius68]

Of course not for they are equal - something Trump overlooks and ignores.

Executive privilege. The House can't just get what it wants when it wants it by their say so. I guess the president will wind up seeing to what extent the executive is equal to the legislative.

 

[Athanasius68]

from the Mueller Report

"Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

and they also said this

"The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign."

and

"A statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean that there was no evidence of those facts."

Very damning to Trump and his campaign and it is obvious wile Barr tried to willingly and purposely deceive and defraud the American people with his cherry picked edited portions of the report and why Trump took the Barr deceit even further by claiming the report finds no collusion and clears him.

Not really. As the report noted, The reference to the Trump campaign thought they would benefit from the stolen emails referred to something politically obvious-- the release of them by Wikileaks.
In that sense, it was no different than the Clinton campaign perceiving they would benefit from whatever information reported by Mr. Steele found by his anonymous Russian sources.

 

[haymarket]

Executive privilege. The House can't just get what it wants when it wants it by their say so. I guess the president will wind up seeing to what extent the executive is equal to the legislative.

Executive privilege DOES NOT neuter or negate or legally render impotent the duty of Congressional oversight nor give ballet protection for any witnesses or evidence the President is trying to prevent the Congress from seeing.

It is interesting that this claim of power is found nowhere in the US Constitution. And it is limited to executive branch communications to protect national security - not criminality.

 

[haymarket]

Not really.

To all rational people who have not become intoxicated on the Trump kool aid - yes, really.

In that sense, it was no different than the Clinton campaign perceiving they would benefit from whatever information reported by Mr. Steele found by his anonymous Russian sources.

First, Clinton obtained the info from an American company and was 100% legal. So it is NOT similar.

Second, This is this. This is not something else. This is this.

Deal with it and not some lame example of right wing whataboutism.

 

[MTAtech]

Executive privilege. The House can't just get what it wants when it wants it by their say so. I guess the president will wind up seeing to what extent the executive is equal to the legislative.

There is no concept of blanket executive privilege. Mueller is also not covered by privilege since he doesn’t work for the executive any longer. Moreover, he issued a report on these matters which waives any privilege.

 

[bomberfox]

Since Mueller came to no conclusion concerning OoJ it must be the "10 cases" you claim are bonafide OoJ charges. :doh:

What are the 10 cases? Just checking to see if you actually read the report.

 

[hanger4]

What are the 10 cases? Just checking to see if you actually read the report.

You made the claim, Mueller's report made no such determination, whether or not I, or you for that matter, read the report is irrelevant and a moving of the goalposts diversion on your behalf.

 

[Athanasius68]

Executive privilege DOES NOT neuter or negate or legally render impotent the duty of Congressional oversight nor give ballet protection for any witnesses or evidence the President is trying to prevent the Congress from seeing.

It is interesting that this claim of power is found nowhere in the US Constitution. And it is limited to executive branch communications to protect national security - not criminality.

Alleged criminality-- which in any event is a prosecutorial (Executive) issue.
It's not just an issue national security. Presidents have a right to receive unfettered advice from advisors.

 

[j-mac]

from the Mueller Report

"Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

and they also said this

"The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign."

and

"A statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean that there was no evidence of those facts."

Very damning to Trump and his campaign and it is obvious wile Barr tried to willingly and purposely deceive and defraud the American people with his cherry picked edited portions of the report and why Trump took the Barr deceit even further by claiming the report finds no collusion and clears him.

and we also have this damning statement which calls into serious question the breadth and accuracy of the findings against the Trump campaign

"Third, the investigation established that several individuals affiliated with the Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with Russian-affiiated individuals and related matters. Those lies materially impaired the investigation of Russian election interference."

So, let me get this straight. Muller specifically that there was "No conspiracy or coordnation", but that like everyone else found that Russia tried to meddle, so, that means Trump was involved how again?

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