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Mueller testimony delayed by one week

haymarket said:
Thank you for your personal musings.

And what did Mueller say about that issue in his report?
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1) By all means, look it up yourself, if you dare.

2) Irrelevant
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Asked and answered countless times here. You have no honest interest in this whatsoever.

You should learn how to use question marks.
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Your inability to answer my question speaks for itself

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hanger4 said:
Why should I, you produced it several times and the rest of the sentence did not change the independent clause one iota.

“[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”
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Because it exposes your fraud.

Because it exposes the fraud of Barr.

Because it exposes the fraud of Trump.

And because it exposes the fraud of all you Trumpkins..That is why.

Really - it is not that difficult. You can do it.

So what is the whole sentence?
 
MovingPictures said:
Mueller testimony delayed by one week - POLITICO



Smart move.

The idea of just 2.5 hours to question Mueller's team was just idiotic. No way you can ask him all of the important question in that time.

Frankly, these negotiations with Mueller have been ludicrous and the SC has not done itself any favors by ducking a hearing, and having to be compelled to come and defend their own damn report.
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actually there isn't mueller cannot testify to anything outside of his report.
if he does then he opens himself to perjury.

however what this does do it it opens the door for republicans to make the democrats
look foolish yet again.
 
Cardinal said:
It's not about anything new coming out; rather, it'll be about getting Mueller to couch in more specific and less legalese language the fact that

1) Mueller was prohibited from prosecution and even direct accusations over obstruction of justice due to OLC regulations, and
2) that while Trump was not guilty of criminal conspiracy, it can be said that his behavior regarding Russia did amount to collusion and was nefarious in nature.
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Collusion is not a crime and if you read the mueller report there was no evidence
of conspiracy (the actual law) or fraud.

pretty simple. also nothing prohibited mueller from doing anything on the obstruction charge since both mueller and rosenstein cleared trump of any
obstruction charges due to lack of evidence.

Thus far, Mueller has steeped his conclusions entirely in legalese, and this will be an effort to make him answer questions in a manner the less legally-inclined will be able to comprehend. It will also be another opportunity to deliver his conclusions to those who have thus far refused to read the report.
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Your right he did do that but threw mud in the water for no reason.
there was not enough evidence or lack of evidence for obstruction.

you are either innocent or you are guilty.
since mueller could find not find enough evidence for obstruction (just like the DOJ stated)
then that clears trump of any wrong doing.
 
Cardinal said:
The President of the United States obstructing justice is plenty important.
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yet according to the DOJ and the mueller report he didn't.
so what obstruction are you talking about?
 
haymarket said:
Because it exposes your fraud.

Because it exposes the fraud of Barr.

Because it exposes the fraud of Trump.

And because it exposes the fraud of all you Trumpkins..That is why.

Really - it is not that difficult. You can do it.

So what is the whole sentence?
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The only fraud being perpetrated is your insistence to change the meaning of;


“[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”
 
hanger4 said:
The only fraud being perpetrated is your insistence to change the meaning of;


“[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”
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Changing the meaning of it is what you did and what Barr did and what Trump did in cherry picking a part of a much larger sentence.

"Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

and this statement

"The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign"

Put those two together and the results are damning for the Trump Campaign.

The complete sentence give a far different meaning to both the activities of the Russians and their impact on the willing Trump campaign.

Shame on Barr and Trump and Trumpkins everywhere for furthering a falsehood. History will judge all of you to be enablers and excusers of the modern day Judas.
 
haymarket said:
Changing the meaning of it is what you did and what Barr did and what Trump did in cherry picking a part of a much larger sentence.

"Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

and this statement

"The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign"

Put those two together and the results are damning for the Trump Campaign.

The complete sentence give a far different meaning to both the activities of the Russians and their impact on the willing Trump campaign.

Shame on Barr and Trump and Trumpkins everywhere for furthering a falsehood. History will judge all of you to be enablers and excusers of the modern day Judas.
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"numerous links"

this is the crap i hate about partisanship

the question is really easy

did Trump or his cronies ACTUALLY help the Russians and if they did, can the government prove that case

it is a yes or no question

based on everything i have read...the answer is no

but by all means, prove me wrong...never liked Trump anyway
 
gdgyva said:
"numerous links"

this is the crap i hate about partisanship

the question is really easy

did Trump or his cronies ACTUALLY help the Russians and if they did, can the government prove that case

it is a yes or no question

based on everything i have read...the answer is no

but by all means, prove me wrong...never liked Trump anyway
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Prove the case where exactly? To the American people...... in the House .... in the Senate .... in a courtroom? Where exactly?

The sad fact is that the Russians did help Trump and Trump publicly asked for their help and they gave it to him that very same day. And they willingly were willing to take it expecting to benefit from it electorally.

In addition the Mueller Report relates that there were more than 100 contacts between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians and many instances of Trump attempting to obstruct justice to protect his unpatriotic and unethical complicity with the Russians.

Their complicity is well established even if there is no conviction in a courtroom under a specific law. What Trump did was wrong and a slap in the face to America and its people.

And that is enough to roundly condemn him and his fellow traitors.
 
haymarket said:
Prove the case where exactly? To the American people...... in the House .... in the Senate .... in a courtroom? Where exactly?

The sad fact is that the Russians did help Trump and Trump publicly asked for their help and they gave it to him that very same day. And they willingly were willing to take it expecting to benefit from it electorally.

In addition the Mueller Report relates that there were more than 100 contacts between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians and many instances of Trump attempting to obstruct justice to protect his unpatriotic and unethical complicity with the Russians.

Their complicity is well established even if there is no conviction in a courtroom under a specific law. What Trump did was wrong and a slap in the face to America and its people.

And that is enough to roundly condemn him and his fellow traitors.
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proof is proof

it should be enough for all....court of law, house, and senate

but again, based upon what i have read, and what Mueller put in his report, there wasnt enough "there" to show complicity by anyone on the Trump team

did the Russians try to screw with the elections? yep....was anyone in the government complicit with them? that is the BIG question....and based on what was found, the answer is no

the case is the case....either Pelosi can make it in the house, and it will be enough for the the people or it wont be....she has to determine whether or not she has the goods

and again, based on what she has done so far, my guess is a big fat no
 
haymarket said:
You were given a perfect example and you are ignoring it. That is on you as a true believer Trumpkin who constantly makes pathetic excuses for the man. This is just part of your sad routine.
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You know better, and that you choose to ignore the truth for your partisan agenda is telling. This has nothing to do with Trump, specifically. It's entirely focused on maintaining the constitutionally described office of the presidency and supporting institutions. My view in this is neither left nor right politically. Either one supports the notion the humans are considered innocent until proven guilty, or not. You don't support that notion unless it's politically advantageous to you, and that's telling.
 
gdgyva said:
proof is proof

it should be enough for all....court of law, house, and senate
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Innocent until proven guilty is a standard for criminal trials. It is not a standard for inquires, investigations, hearings or just plain trying to find out all one can find out and then making reasonable conclusions.

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either Pelosi can make it in the house, and it will be enough for the the people or it wont be....she has to determine whether or not she has the goods
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Pelosi is making a political decision - not one based on her duties .
 
humbolt said:
You know better, and that you choose to ignore the truth for your partisan agenda is telling. This has nothing to do with Trump, specifically. It's entirely focused on maintaining the constitutionally described office of the presidency and supporting institutions. My view in this is neither left nor right politically. Either one supports the notion the humans are considered innocent until proven guilty, or not. You don't support that notion unless it's politically advantageous to you, and that's telling.
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How does castrating the House from doing its job of checks and balances through oversight and investigation support our institutions?
 
haymarket said:
How does castrating the House from doing its job of checks and balances through oversight and investigation support our institutions?
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This issue is only alive because of House over-reach. Rational people know this.
 
humbolt said:
This issue is only alive because of House over-reach. Rational people know this.
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There is nothing rational about your statement as the House has the right to investigate and exercise its constitutional duty of oversight when they believe crimes or serious irregularities may have been committed and the Mueller Report is evidence of that.
 
haymarket said:
There is nothing rational about your statement as the House has the right to investigate and exercise its constitutional duty of oversight when they believe crimes or serious irregularities may have been committed and the Mueller Report is evidence of that.
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Most of us have abilities to do many things. That doesn't mean we should. Reason is required to make such decisions. The House can investigate whatever they wish, but given that the Mueller investigation is over, the evidence is that they're wasting their time, alienating a large swath of the electorate, and giving the democratic party to the worst elements among them. None of it is rational, and at least part of your party's leadership knows it.
 
haymarket said:
Innocent until proven guilty is a standard for criminal trials. It is not a standard for inquires, investigations, hearings or just plain trying to find out all one can find out and then making reasonable conclusions.

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Pelosi is making a political decision - not one based on her duties .
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proof has to be sufficient for the american people...ALL of the people

not just the partisan folk that already hate him....and want him out of office

so does Pelosi have THAT type of proof....it is a yes or an no....

and again, based upon what i have read and understand, the undeniable answer is no, she doesnt

which is WHY she is making the political decision of not to start impeachment....which she thinks will blow directly up in the democrats faces

she doesnt need to prove the case to democrats....they already believe Trump is guilty....

she has to PROVE it to independents and republicans....a much tougher road to hoe

maybe those on your side need to look at it from HER perspective.....
 
humbolt said:
Most of us have abilities to do many things. That doesn't mean we should. Reason is required to make such decisions. The House can investigate whatever they wish, but given that the Mueller investigation is over, the evidence is that they're wasting their time, alienating a large swath of the electorate, and giving the democratic party to the worst elements among them. None of it is rational, and at least part of your party's leadership knows it.
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How can the House carry out an investigation if the White House orders all its people to not cooperate and withholds all key evidence demanded?
 
gdgyva said:
proof has to be sufficient for the american people...ALL of the people.
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That standard is impractical and absurd and ridiculous as you will NEVER get ALL of the American people to agree on anything political.
 
haymarket said:
That standard is impractical and absurd and ridiculous as you will NEVER get ALL of the American people to agree on anything political.
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if the evidence is strong enough....it will satisfy most

100% no...but most....

that is why Nixon resigned....he knew the evidence was damning....

the american people will be the arbiter's of innocence or guilt....but they wont take speculation and hypothesis

we have seen too much of that over the years....and yes, we do like HARD EVIDENCE of wrongdoing....of laws being broken

that is a tall standard to face....do you still feel that the case merits it?

and once presented, what percentages of following will see guilt in your eyes

% of dems
% of independents
% of republicans

because you have to get more than just democrats to see the guilt
 
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