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Federal and local investigators plan to arrest 106 people Tuesday as part of one of the largest Social Security disability fraud busts in U.S. history, a person familiar with the arrests said, alleging that a number of former New York fire department and police officials improperly obtained benefits by cheating the application process.
I doubt it. Between the investigation and prosecution, it probably costs more than to let them have the benefits.Can you imagine what would happen if they really investigated and really punished the phonies? They'd save enough to easily cover the truly disabled and more.
I doubt it. Between the investigation and prosecution, it probably costs more than to let them have the benefits.
For what it's worth, I'd be completely okay with spending that money to investigate and prosecute.
Stealing from the government: SIRFUNCLE SAM is being bilked, big-time. Losses from health-care scams alone are between $70 billion and $240 billion a year, reckons the FBI. An ever higher percentage of frauds (false claims for welfare payments, tax refunds and so on) are being perpetrated with stolen identities. Some 12.6m people—one every three seconds—fell victim to identity theft in the United States in 2012, according to Javelin Strategy and Research. The problem only grows as benefit programmes strive for efficiency and convenience, shifting applications online and making payments to prepaid debit cards, which can be bought in shops, require no bank account and allow money to be laundered quickly and easily. The self-proclaimed first lady of tax-refund fraud is Rashia Wilson (posing with the loot on her Facebook page, above) who, along with her eager associates, claimed bogus rebates of more than $11m.
I doubt it. The costs of investigation and prosecution are probably more than you think it is.The amount of fraud is probably more than you are thinking it is.
I doubt it. Between the investigation and prosecution, it probably costs more than to let them have the benefits.
For what it's worth, I'd be completely okay with spending that money to investigate and prosecute.
The article stated that the fraud for just these 102 identified was about $24 million, or over $235K each. Taking out the enablers (including any and all that helped to process these SS disability claims) and seizing all assets owned by of those convicted should make the process worthwhile. What never seems to happen is getting rid of the federal employees that should have discovered this fraud much earlier.
I doubt it. Between the investigation and prosecution, it probably costs more than to let them have the benefits.
For what it's worth, I'd be completely okay with spending that money to investigate and prosecute.
More Than 100 to Be Arrested in Federal Disability Fraud Bust - WSJ.com
102 people who should certainly have known better. This is a symbolic bust to avoid a real crackdown. The scope of disability fraud is millions of people cashing in on faked disability.
Can you imagine what would happen if they really investigated and really punished the phonies? They'd save enough to easily cover the truly disabled and more. But instead, every few years, they "catch" a few and go "see, there is no fraud. We are such great policemen!".
Shameful. Very expensive way to buy votes, is it not?
Oh how very moderate of you. I love this. First sentence give them the money - second sentence investigate and prosecute. Spoken like a true centrist - I don't mean aggravation its just funny to me.
And I agree with you that we should spend what it takes to investigate and prosecute. If we simply made the punishment worthy of prosecution and enabled whistle blowers worthy rewards we could manage to get a lot of fraud eliminated. 102 people were arrested above, if they were stealing $10k a year each its a million dollars - I have no trouble with a whistle blower being paid $125k for helping to stop such a crime.
I doubt it. The costs of investigation and prosecution are probably more than you think it is.
I don't know why, because I didn't say what you seem to think I said. I was taking issue with the statement that investigating and punishing more would save money, not that we should give it to them and then investigate. I hope that makes sense.Oh how very moderate of you. I love this. First sentence give them the money - second sentence investigate and prosecute. Spoken like a true centrist - I don't mean aggravation its just funny to me.
Glad we're in agreement on that.And I agree with you that we should spend what it takes to investigate and prosecute.
I doubt it. The only way the fraud would decrease is if it was financially more viable to not attempt the fraud in the first place. And that requires a large shift in our society.They would be at the outset but once the rolls get cleared of abusers and it's made known that prosecution will result in serious penalties the amount of fraud will decrease.
What does that mean "plan to arrest"?
Are they announcing it publicly that they are investigating fraud and are going to arrest people?
Who does that?
The article stated that the fraud for just these 102 identified was about $24 million, or over $235K each. Taking out the enablers (including any and all that helped to process these SS disability claims) and seizing all assets owned by of those convicted should make the process worthwhile. What never seems to happen is getting rid of the federal employees that should have discovered this fraud much earlier.
It's a sham investigation and a few guys will take a fall for the millions who got away.
It's a sham investigation and a few guys will take a fall for the millions who got away.
These are specifically Cops and Firefighters, people we should trust in one city, in one state. Extend this out and I'll bet you 25% or better of disability is just free money for the crooks who get it and those who facilitate it.
I don't care if you are Left of Karl Marx. This should not be OK with you. This is so wrong it's ridiculous and it's not even the tip of tip of the iceberg.
How much investigating does it take to drop by the residence of people collecting fat checks and seeing how "disabled" they are? Nobody doesn't want to help the truly disabled. Disabled means disabled. Not fully functional like so many of these lying bastards are, all over America.
Should we prepare camps?
Camps for who? We have plenty of prisons.
It says they plan to arrest, not that they were arrested.
Who announces arrests before they are done?
We don't have prison space for a few extra millions. What do you suggest?
I doubt it. Between the investigation and prosecution, it probably costs more than to let them have the benefits.
For what it's worth, I'd be completely okay with spending that money to investigate and prosecute.
Confiscate their ill gotten gains and use the proceeds for the genuinely disabled. Even just a month or two in prison will help discourage future misbehavior. I also suggest amnesty for those who confess and make repayment arrangements. But just continuing as is - NO. This is WRONG.
When they leave prison, millions homeless and only skilled for ditch digging, what shall we do about them?
What do you suggest?
Busting the big timers and getting the system under control. Or we can ready the camps, gather the box cars and work on a solution to additional millions in our prison and homeless systems.
I doubt it. The costs of investigation and prosecution are probably more than you think it is.
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