[Minnesota] She PITCHES like a man! (1 Viewer)

[Deuce]

I did read the OP. As a parent myself, I don't understand.

Hey maybe nobody asked you.

 

[Juin]

How about you mind your own ****in business for once?

Maybe you should take your f----n advice. Those games are public games

 

[nota bene]

The parents were not making medical treatment decisions out of the blue on their own with the child as their pet or a toy.

I didn't make this ludicrous claim.

The treatment is a collaborative process with the patient, the treatment team and the parents. Denying needed care causes the problem. You cant possibly treat depression/anxiety/suicidal idealation and hope to put her gender dysphoria on pause until she is 18-21. At what age do you think cross-gender feeling become obvious enough to become gender dysphoria to the patient if you think 9 years old is too young? The mind doesn't work that way.

Not 9 years old.

Do you also have a degree in psych or are an MD?

I require neither to have an opinion.

But yes, too soon to make an irreversible and life-altering decision. At 9, most kids haven't even entered into puberty.

 

[nota bene]

Hey maybe nobody asked you.

So? This isn't a private thread, and every DP member can post where he/she pleases.

 

[Lisa]

I didn't make this ludicrous claim.

Not 9 years old.

There are many kids who know before the age of 9. Nothing medially happens until puberty but they can socially transition with clothes/hair and a name before there is a medical transition with hormones and other meds. Surgery would be extremely rare before the age of 16-18.

I require neither to have an opinion.

An informed opinion?

But yes, too soon to make an irreversible and life-altering decision. At 9, most kids haven't even entered into puberty.

Puberty has little to do with gender identity.

 

[Deuce]

So? This isn't a private thread, and every DP member can post where he/she pleases.

I think you're confused. The player in question isn't in this thread. What they do with their life just isn't your problem.

 

[nota bene]

I think you're confused. The player in question isn't in this thread. What they do with their life just isn't your problem.

Nor yours--yet here we all are discussing all that.

 

[Pyrite]

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Lifting Champlin Park High's Girls Softball Team to new heights. Hands down, at this moment 17 year old Marissa Rothenberger is the brightest star in the North Star State. Her pitches are wicked! Batters powerless! Resulting in Champlin Park High Girls Softball Team coming out on top in 14 consecutive games. An ecstatic fan crowed:


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Tonight in Softball Champlin Park defeated Maple Grove 2-0! Rebels pitcher Marissa Rothenberger locked down the Crimson batters and only allowed 1 hit!!!
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All these good things to Champlin Park High's Girls Softball Team in particular, and to all women at large, would not have come about but for an intervention by Marissa's mother when she was nine. At birth, Marissa had been abducted into a world of males alien to her. For nine terrible years- an eternity of agony- she was a mistreated, misidentified, abused Charlie Dean Rothenberger. Then her mother effected a herculean rescue. She obtained through the offices of Hennepin County District Court a release of Marissa from the world of males, and the issuance of a birth certificate certifying her as female

All's well that ends well; but not all is ending well for Marissa's stellar performance. The DailyCaller is one of many that have gone ballistic! Another injustice to biological females


Should Marissa be playing on Champlin Park High Boys Softball Team?



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Trans High School Softball Player Rolls Over One Of Top Female Teams In State To Continue Clownshow​

Trans High School Softball Player Rolls Over One Of Top Female Teams In State To Continue Clownshow

Marissa Rothenberger is a trans high school softball player who, as a sophomore, assisted Champlin Park in winning 14 straight games prior to the playoffs.

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Oh, no!

A friend I've known for more than 50 years is very athletic and still plays softball. I'd say she "pitches like a man"....does that mean my friend is a transgender female? How did I not know this?

 

[Lisa]

Oh, no!

A friend I've known for more than 50 years is very athletic and still plays softball. I'd say she "pitches like a man"....does that mean my friend is a transgender female? How did I not know this?

Tell your friend to say NO to all DNA tests. She might end up as the top story on Fox News.

 

[CLAX1911]

If you read the OP, the parents were involved the whole time with her transition.

That does not mean that the child is capable of informed consent. it means the parents are consenting for the child which is how abuse works.

 

[Pyrite]

That does not mean that the child is capable of informed consent. it means the parents are consenting for the child which is how abuse works.

This is how medical care is usually provided to minors: with their parents' consent.

You don't know this?

 

[CLAX1911]

Are you suggesting that the child could not know that she had cross gendered feelings at the age of 9, feelings that were backed up by interviews with Drs and psychologists?

Well I would argue they don't know what cross-gendered feelings are. And even if they felt that way they shouldn't be injured as a result of that.

Would you rather have them deny her needed medical care until she attempts suicide or starts cutting out of the pain that gender dysphoria causes.

I don't think this sort of abuses needed for a 9-year-old child.

The parents were not making treatment decisions by themselves and the child was not just a outlet for their own opinions.

It doesn't matter that child is incapable of informed consent if they had a doctor and a lawyer and a rabbi and a priest all deciding to molest the child that would still be wrong.

At what age do you think gender dysphoria becomes a severe medical issue that must be treated? 18-21? 25? 30?

18 when a person becomes an adult

 

[CLAX1911]

This is how medical care is usually provided to minors: with their parents' consent.

A lot of the times it's so abuse is done to minors through the parents' consent.

Explain to me how sterilizing a 9-year-old is anything but abusive.

You don't know this?

I absolutely know that a nine year old is not capable of consent.

 

[Master Debator]

A lot of the times it's so abuse is done to minors through the parents' consent.

Explain to me how sterilizing a 9-year-old is anything but abusive.

I absolutely know that a nine year old is not capable of consent.

Oophorectomy in children

 

[CLAX1911]

Oophorectomy in children

The only reason girls will become trans is because they have very early ovarian cancer?

 

[Master Debator]

The only reason girls will become trans is because they have very early ovarian cancer?

Is that what you think? What a frail argument.

 

[CLAX1911]

Is that what you think? What a frail argument.

Why did you link research about ovarian illnesses?

 

[Master Debator]

Why did you link research about ovarian illnesses?

Because you asked for examples of sterilization in children that weren't abuse. Did you forget? Is it the fragility?

 

[CLAX1911]

Because you asked for examples of sterilization in children that weren't abuse. Did you forget? Is it the fragility?

That just returnes me to my first question

 

[Master Debator]

That just returnes me to my first question

Which was what? This?

The only reason girls will become trans is because they have very early ovarian cancer?

I wasnt aware of any link between ovarian cancer and being trans. If you are why don't you share it with us?

 

[CLAX1911]

Which was what? This?

I wasnt aware of any link between ovarian cancer and being trans. If you are why don't you share it with us?

You made the link. Sterilizing a child because their reproductive system is causing a health problem is one thing sterilizing them to fitted with a new societal trend is completely different

 

[Master Debator]

You made the link.

I did. In response to you asking for when sterilization of children isnt abuse. I notice you've yet to take a stance on that. This is the fragility Im refering to. You made an argument and now you're pretending around it because you don't want to admit that sterilization of children in some instances are medically warranted because it damages the argument you were trying to make about some supposed inherent wrongness in doctors and parents deciding to sterilize children for what they see as a serious medical issue.

Sterilizing a child because their reproductive system is causing a health problem is one thing sterilizing them to fitted with a new societal trend is completely different

No one is arguing that the reasons in these two instances for sterilizing children are the same. I'm only arguing that doctors and parents in both instances, as well as their children, are deciding for themselves that it's medically necessary. If you want to argue it isn't try a different tactic than sterilization is wrong unless you're prepared to say it's wrong in every case.

 

[CLAX1911]

I did. In response to you asking for when sterilization of children isnt abuse.

And there's something medically wrong the desire to follow a trend is not something medically wrong.

I notice you've yet to take a stance on that. This is the fragility Im refering to.

What the it's okay to remove ovaries from a young girl who's having some health problems involving her ovaries you won't let me make it clear I'm not against that.

You made an argument and now you're pretending around it because you don't want to admit that sterilization of children in some instances are medically warranted because it damages the argument you were trying to make about some supposed inherent wrongness in doctors and parents deciding to sterilize children for what they see as a serious medical issue.

Okay then let's clear that up it's okay to medically sterilize a child if there is some sort of injury or possible death related to an illness or irregularity in the reproductive organs.

No one is arguing that the reasons in these two instances for sterilizing children are the same.

Well I think it's wrong to cut open the abdominal cavity of a 9-year-old with a knife cuz they want a cool scar but it is okay to cut but it is okay if they have an inflamed appendix and it needs to be removed did we clear that up?

I'm only arguing that doctors and parents in both instances, as well as their children, are deciding for themselves that it's medically necessary.

I don't think adhering to a trend is ever medically necessary

If you want to argue it isn't try a different tactic than sterilization is wrong unless you're prepared to say it's wrong in every case.

Sterilizing a 9 year old unless it's absolutely necessary for them to continue living is wrong. Start threatening suicide unless they get to be in the cool kids club that's a psychological issue it's not related to disease or failing organs.

 

[Master Debator]

And there's something medically wrong the desire to follow a trend is not something medically wrong.

What? Can you retype that coherently? Are you trying to say there isn't anything medically wrong with trans people? Are you a medical doctor? I'm just trying discern what education and experience you have in diagnosing medical issues.

What the it's okay to remove ovaries from a young girl who's having some health problems involving her ovaries you won't let me make it clear I'm not against that.

So you are okay with castrating children?

Okay then let's clear that up it's okay to medically sterilize a child if there is some sort of injury or possible death related to an illness or irregularity in the reproductive organs.

Great. I just wanted you to admit clearly that you are also pro sterilization of children in some instances.

Well I think it's wrong to cut open the abdominal cavity of a 9-year-old with a knife cuz they want a cool scar but it is okay to cut but it is okay if they have an inflamed appendix and it needs to be removed did we clear that up?

Okay but why should anyone care what you think? Are you a medically trained professional? Is treating Trans kids something you've dedicated your professional career to?

I don't think adhering to a trend is ever medically necessary

Good for you. Now make the argument for this being a trend. Let's see the strength of this evidence.

Sterilizing a 9 year old unless it's absolutely necessary for them to continue living is wrong. Start threatening suicide unless they get to be in the cool kids club that's a psychological issue it's not related to disease or failing organs.

How would you know if it's medically necessary? What is the extent of your medical training and knowledge?

 

[CLAX1911]

What? Can you retype that coherently?

If there's something medically wrong, yes. The desire to follow a trend is not something medically wrong.

Are you trying to say there isn't anything medically wrong with trans people?

There isn't. And whether she wanted either they have a brain abnormality or it's psychological.

Are you a medical doctor?

Why would I need to be a medical doctor to understand sterilizing a boy doesn't make them into a girl?

I'm just trying discern what education and experience you have in diagnosing medical issues.

What medical issues am I diagnosing?

So you are okay with castrating children?

Only if there's a medical condition that is life threatening.

Great. I just wanted you to admit clearly that you are also pro sterilization of children in some instances.

in not pro castration in any instance. If it's necessary, then it's necessary

Okay but why should anyone care what you think?

People have you don't have to care what I think you don't have to read my posts you don't have to respond.

When you read my posts and respond to that suggests you care what I think.

Are you a medically trained professional?

???

Is treating Trans kids something you've dedicated your professional career to?

There's no such thing as trans kids.

Good for you. Now make the argument for this being a trend. Let's see the strength of this evidence.

Presumably trans people have existed all throughout history. Why weren't they dying of not being castrated in 1957

How would you know if it's medically necessary?

Prior to anybody offering mutilation to children there weren't a rash of children identifying as the opposite sex and committing suicide over it.

What is the extent of your medical training and knowledge?

I'm going to answer this one more time I don't practice medicine I don't have any education in it.

If you ask me this question again I'm just going to ignore it.