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Minneapolis Changes "Columbus Day" To "Indigenous People's Day"

My point was that Aztecs are indigenous people and they committed genocide. And if you ever really looked into the history of indigenous tribes there were many, many atrocities committed against other tribes. To this day members of the Crow Nation really don't like members of the Lakota tribe. Why? Because the 'sacred hills' that the Lakota claim as their sacred land used to belong to the Crow people before they were forcibly run off of their land by the Lakota.

Did the Romans commit genocide? Just curious if you think we should stop celebrating the accomplishments of the Roman empire? Should we change the names of July and August to something else because of the imperialists Julius and Augustus?

Should we drop the name Washington D.C. (district of Columbia) because 'Columbia' celebrates Christopher Columbus? Hey, that is even a double whammy. Washington a slave owner, and Columbus a genocidal maniac.


Get over it already.

And and we as a country have committed genocide as well should we stop celebrating our founding then?
Point being we have a specific holiday for a terrible man.
 
And and we as a country have committed genocide as well should we stop celebrating our founding then?
Point being we have a specific holiday for a terrible man.

It is only your opinion that he was terrible. There are four faces on Mount Rushmore and two of them owned slaves and one of them made very stark anti native American comments, yet all were great men worthy of recognition. Same with Columbus.
 
It is only your opinion that he was terrible. There are four faces on Mount Rushmore and two of them owned slaves and one of them made very stark anti native American comments, yet all were great men worthy of recognition. Same with Columbus.

Being responsible for the deaths of millions of people and a primary source for the beginning of the slave trade. Yea.. Pretty hard to justify that one to other than come to the conclusion that he was a "good man"
 
Being responsible for the deaths of millions of people and a primary source for the beginning of the slave trade. Yea.. Pretty hard to justify that one to other than come to the conclusion that he was a "good man"

Slaves existed in the Americas long before Columbus ventured here. Why in your mind is the European slave trade worse than the Aztec, Inca, Comanche, Arab and Asian slave trading that existed before Columbus?
 
Slaves existed in the Americas long before Columbus ventured here. Why in your mind is the European slave trade worse than the Aztec, Inca, Comanche, Arab and Asian slave trading that existed before Columbus?

The triangle trade is what im getting at.
 
Columbus Day itself was created partly as an act of political correctness, namely in response to anti-Italian discrimination in the United States. The man was Italian and it was looked upon as a good move to bring a famous Italian to the forefront to help resolve the problem, much in the same way one could say the creation of Black History Month was done in part to help overcome black discrimination in the US.

How Columbus Sailed Into U.S. History, Thanks To Italians : Code Switch : NPR

I knew that. Thank you for letting everyone else know though. I'm sure that many didn't have a clue.

The following is not directed at you. I'm just taking this opportunity to rant a little:

I don't celebrate Columbus Day. I really don't care. What I was describing was the ridiculous attempt by many in this country to "not offend." You can't show deference to one group without offending another group.

Which is also why I liked James' post #3. If we're going to start changing everything's name in this country because some group, no matter who they are, is offended by the name then we'll not have anything named after anyone at all. Just as James most correctly pointed out.

Do I think that the Native American's need a holiday named after them? Again, I don't care. If they want one, then give them one. If any group of Americans deserves a holiday named after them, it would be the Native Americans.

The Irish have one, that we all get drunk on that day, which should be very offensive to many Irish since the derogatory image of the Irish is that they are all drunks. But nobody cares about that. Including the Irish.

Christmas was given the date to be celebrated on of a pagan holiday. And it's an official national holiday in a country where lately we see the courts mandating no government approved or supported religious observance at all. Nobody cares about that.

Thanksgiving is also an official national holiday in America that marks the story of how the Europeans tricked the Native Americans into welcoming us in so we could take all their stuff. Nobody is trying to take that holiday off the calendar.

See, it really is political correctness gone amok.

Where do we stop? Why start? Are the Italian-Americans offended at this? Do their feelings not matter? They were, and in many places in the northeast still, discriminated against. Ever seen "The Soprano's"??? Ever watched a mobster movie? What a depiction of Italians that is.

Again, where do we stop? Should we destroy almost every 'cowboy' movie made? Those depict the Native American in bad light some times.

Where do we stop? I'll tell you where. Here. This action taken by this city. It's ridiculous.

This is nothing more than a group of politicians and their supporters attempting to make an outward statement that they are "tolerant" and "caring of others feelings." But as I've shown above about the Italians, this is just another example of picking one group over another.

A blatant example of dividing America against itself into classes.

There are no African-Americans, or Italian-Americans or any other type of hyphenated Americans (except those that have dual citizenship), or at least there shouldn't be. We are all Americans. Well, at least I feel that way.

Maybe dividing us by race and class is what the tolerant left wants, but not me. I would prefer that we all be equal - Americans. Equal citizens in an equal country.

But actions like this only serve to further divide.

/rant
 
The triangle trade is what im getting at.

I wasn't aware that Columbus was involved in any way, shape or form of moving slaves from Africa to the Americas, Sugar from the Caribbean to the original US Colonies, or Rum from the Colonies to Africa.

The dude was a good salesman, a decent explorer and a poor manager. Blaming him for what came later is like blaming Karl Marx for Bolshevism.
 
Yeah because "Indigenous people" never killed anyone - what a load of BS

Christo Columbo is one person that has a verifiable past. Indigenous people include all peoples...the good and the bad. The living and the dead.

Your contention is analogous to not celebrating the 4th of july because some Americans are evil.
 
How will they celebrate Indigenous People Day I wonder.

Maybe they can all take a field trip to Deerfield, MA. There you get a chance to stand on the large mound which is the mass grave of the innocent women & children who were tortured & slaughtered by the Indigenous People who were obviously having a very bad day. Then they can go to see the site where Anne Hutchinson & a bunch of her little children were scalped by the Siwanoy Indians.
 
We might as well just rename Columbus Day to be "Sanctimonious Day" instead. At least then we'd have something definable we can all agree to celebrate.
 
And some leftist would agree with that. For example our current dictator and his wife.

Christo Columbo is one person that has a verifiable past. Indigenous people include all peoples...the good and the bad. The living and the dead.

Your contention is analogous to not celebrating the 4th of july because some Americans are evil.
 
Read more @: [/FONT][/COLOR]Minneapolis Changes "Columbus Day" To "Indigenous People's Day" - Valley News Live - KVLY/KXJB - Fargo/Grand Forks

About damn time. I think its ridiculous that we have a holiday named after this murderer anyways.

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A murderer. That's such a pathetic way to describe Columbus.

He was a daring adventurer and he should be honored, not slandered by people with a half-assed understanding of history. America is a superpower today because European settlers settled it. If not, it would have been a third world dump worst off than Africa.
 
LOL, is this a joke? indigenous People's Day, you can't get any more PC than that.

Sure you can.

Bettcha next year San Francisco celebrates "LGBTQ Indigenous People's Day".
 
How will they celebrate Indigenous People Day I wonder.

Maybe they can all take a field trip to Deerfield, MA. There you get a chance to stand on the large mound which is the mass grave of the innocent women & children who were tortured & slaughtered by the Indigenous People who were obviously having a very bad day. Then they can go to see the site where Anne Hutchinson & a bunch of her little children were scalped by the Siwanoy Indians.

You don't even have to do that.

All of the territory of modern day USA is full of dead native americans. Dead not because the big bad white man came and took their lands but because they've been killing one another for thousands of years, tribe against tribe, confederation against confederation, with bows and arrow and axes and what naught for each others' food. Killing entire tribes or letting them starve.

The rivalries of the native american tribes are often forgotten because there is a false undertanding of history. Why is it that today, some indian tribes are super rich with casinos, but there are countless others that are dirt poor? If there were a kindship between native americans, you'd think one would help one another. But there isn't because it's tribalism. One native american tribe is only loyal to itself and to historical tribal allies.

granted, they're also forgotten because they had no written language and they couldn't record their "exploits" of massacring entire tribes. It's only after the Europeans came along that they've been put in the pages of history and later on had some sort of language.
 
But it happened! You are celebrating the life of a man who "discovered" (more like just stumbled upon luckily, but i dont think the indigenous people of the land thought they were lucky) the "New World" and then started a slave trade and slaughtered millions. It happened. Its like having Mussolini day in Italy but just forgetting all the bad stuff he did.

And its a pathetic comparison to compare the slaughter of millions of indigenous people to a man who fought for civil rights (And for the 8th time the only people who think MLK was a communist are white supramisists to try to downplay him. He was an open socialist), and having more then one sex partner.



Sleeping around and murdering people is "objectionable ****"?


Or the reasonable.


You are not reasonable.Again every other historical figure did something people today find objectionable.We do not celebrate the bad things a historical figure did. If we go around renaming holidays or buildings because of something they did people find objectionable then we won't hardly celebrate anyone.
 
But it happened! You are celebrating the life of a man who "discovered" (more like just stumbled upon luckily, but i dont think the indigenous people of the land thought they were lucky) the "New World" and then started a slave trade... .

Neither Columbus especially, nor the Europeans in a general sense, started a slave trade. Now, some Europeans, however, did expand a pre-existing slave trade.
 
Well he was a socialist. Didnt know that being a socialist and someone who gets laid equates to mass murder and the slave trade.

That is a good question.
Someone had to capture and sell the slaves from Africa. Oh, yea. Africans.
 
Neither Columbus especially, nor the Europeans in a general sense, started a slave trade. Now, some Europeans, however, did expand a pre-existing slave trade.

"Christopher Columbus derived most of his income from slavery, De Las Casas noted. In fact, Columbus was the first slave trader in the Americas. As the native slaves died off, they were replaced with black slaves. Columbus' son became the first African slave trader in 1505" Columbus Day? True Legacy: Cruelty and Slavery | Eric Kasum

"But Columbus also captured other natives for use as slaves....... An opportunist, he captured some natives to show that they would make good slaves." The Truth About Christopher Columbus
 
Christo Columbo is one person that has a verifiable past. Indigenous people include all peoples...the good and the bad. The living and the dead.

Your contention is analogous to not celebrating the 4th of july because some Americans are evil.

The one thing everyone who lives anywhere in the Americas have in common, is they came here from someplace else. There is no indigenous people in any of the Americas. Perhaps we should rename Columbus day to Those who crossover to here first.
 
You are not reasonable.Again every other historical figure did something people today find objectionable.We do not celebrate the bad things a historical figure did. If we go around renaming holidays or buildings because of something they did people find objectionable then we won't hardly celebrate anyone.

This man committed GENOCIDE. He didnt have more than one **** buddy, or took a cookie from the cookie jar, he committed full blown genocide! There is nothing who have to be reasonable about it.
 
"Christopher Columbus derived most of his income from slavery, De Las Casas noted. In fact, Columbus was the first slave trader in the Americas. As the native slaves died off, they were replaced with black slaves. Columbus' son became the first African slave trader in 1505"

In 1505, the African slave trade between African kingdoms and Arabs / Berbers was already in existance. The Europeans introduced a new expansion (supply of slaves to the Americas). The Europeans, however, did not start the African slave trade as African kingdoms were already very willing to export slaves to a variety of markets.
 
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A murderer. That's such a pathetic way to describe Columbus.

He was a daring adventurer and he should be honored, not slandered by people with a half-assed understanding of history. America is a superpower today because European settlers settled it. If not, it would have been a third world dump worst off than Africa.

:lamo Nothing like ignoring genocide.
 
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