I am fine with a compromise as long as it ends public sector unions, raises now taxes and puts in significant cuts in government spending.
5 billion dollar deficit. The need to cut taxes and regulations if they want to grow themselves out of this.
Yes. And?
And they already pay tons more taxes than anyone else. They likely pay for what you use.
Can you explain the moral premise behind you having a greater claim to the wealth they generate through their efforts than they do?
Because it seems very clear that you are exactly like all of the other greedy, envious people, who cannot wait for someone else to work as a slave to the state.
How do people become so twisted and so evil?
This post is just hyperpartisan and emotional bull****. You're simply saying liberals are envious because they want to raise taxes, and they want to raise taxes to pay off the deficit. They don't hate the rich. I honestly don't see any evidence that liberals hate the ****ing rich. In fact, a lot of liberals have money. Go to Portland. Go to the Upper East Side of NYC. Obama, the Clinton's, Kerry, the Kennedy's, Hollywood, etc. etc. McCain used to refer to them as elitist, now you're calling them envious.. Get the partisan attacks straightened out.
Sounds good to me. The democrats own it. We have to clean it up. A very good way to do so is to destroy the power of the public sector unions all over the nation. Union thugs should have no role to play in government. Let us only hope enough people realize the destructive nature of the unions and the democrats combined against the American taxpayer and the nation as a whole.
I hope this right response to the union minion and thug combining with democrats in government will be nationwide. If we succeed the nation will remain free.
That's not exactly true. They offered proposals for fee based services and other means of collecting revenue other than raising taxes. No, they don't want to compromise on raising taxes. That's why they were elected. That's what they campaigned on.The Republicans would not accept anything but a 100% spending cuts budget. They were the ones who would not compromise.
That's not exactly true. They offered proposals for fee based services and other means of collecting revenue other than raising taxes. No, they don't want to compromise on raising taxes. That's why they were elected. That's what they campaigned on.
Well no. Government workers did not create wealth. They took wealth from others to create a few things of value. That wealth was created by others. Not by government workers.
I am delighted to see that the government took the wealth that others created and used some of it to purchase a few things of value. What about the rest?
This is where most liberals just get it wrong and always will. Government, sometimes takes the wealth that others have created, and uses it to purchase the things that support its constitutional role. But more often than not government uses the wealth of others to grow...government.
Hate to break it to you, but most of this thread is hyperpartisan and emotional bull****. :shrug:
Bam! baby! OOO yeah BAM!
GOP's "let's strangle the schools to death and borrow more money" vs. Dayton's "maybe a couple thousand of the richest people in the state could spare a few more pennies?"
This is what it really came down to. This was what the stalemate was over.
Absolutely sickening.
And Councilman, way to offer yet another short-term solution with serious long-term consequences due an inability to see any further into the future than next election season. Ideas like that are why we're ****ed in the first place. As a matter of fact, THAT idea in particular is one of the reasons we're ****ed.
How much time did you spend practicing being straight today?
I was quoting Jack Lemmon's character in Mister Roberts .
How much thought did you give to that reply?
I've always been of the belief, as long as the boat's rocking capsize the son of a gun and let's see who can swim.
LOL... I was just joking with you in general cause you're always posting in the sexuality debate threads
Huh? The government always does it? LOL - this has NEVER been the case and certainly isn't the case now. The vast majority of critical infrastructure in this country is actually **privately** owned and operated... refineries, power plants, telecommunications, rail lines...Do you have any idea what infrastructure alone costs? No private entity is willing to take that on, nor should they - they'd do a terrible job. That's why government always does it, no matter where you go.
Huh? The government always does it? LOL - this has NEVER been the case and certainly isn't the case now. The vast majority of critical infrastructure in this country is actually **privately** owned and operated... refineries, power plants, telecommunications, rail lines...
But you have the same access to these things as the rich do, so isn't it more to the point that you pull your weight just as the rich do ? Or do you feel that because someone settles for a smaller income and uses the things that government has placed for all people to use, has less responsibility for having such infrastructure in place ?? I guess then you feel that those people without children shouldn't have to pay any school taxes right .. because they don't use that resource. Or that only families of people that are in jail should have to pay for the jails … because those that never get arrested don't use those resources do they ? Those that do well for themselves should be able to demand that none of their money be used for welfare .. because they will never use it. I could go on and on .. but what is the use .. the simple fact is liberals just believe they are entitledMistressNomad;1059612413]Me? Has nothing to do with me. Has to do with the fact that we pay taxes because we are collectively purchasing things we use, like infrastructure. The rich use a lot more of that than the poor. How do you think people get rich? They have to have access to resources, ways to get around this huge country, an infrastructure for carrying their ads, etc. They use more of that stuff. A lot more. It is not unreasonable to ask them to pay a bit more.
You're being beyond paranoid and your assertion is ridiculous. I sure as hell don't want your money, if it will turn me into someone like you. But pay for what you use.
These seem like good examples of ways in which government DOESN'T create wealth. Isn't this just taking money from a bunch of people (taxpayers) and handing it to a smaller number of people (companies that extract raw resources)? To that end, it helps to secure an environment where wealth creation can take place, but doesn't itself create wealth.Imagine if America didn't enter WWII, do you think uranium production would have been a profitable adventure before the fuel crisis? If modern war production didn't demand steel, engineering, and iron ore then that would mean less demand for such natural and human resources... which would mean those resources would be less valuable and owning such resources would mean you'd be less wealthy.
But you have the same access to these things as the rich do, so isn't it more to the point that you pull your weight just as the rich do ? Or do you feel that because someone settles for a smaller income and uses the things that government has placed for all people to use, has less responsibility for having such infrastructure in place ?? I guess then you feel that those people without children shouldn't have to pay any school taxes right .. because they don't use that resource. Or that only families of people that are in jail should have to pay for the jails … because those that never get arrested don't use those resources do they ? Those that do well for themselves should be able to demand that none of their money be used for welfare .. because they will never use it. I could go on and on .. but what is the use .. the simple fact is liberals just believe they are entitled
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