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Milwaukee County Judge Dugan indicted, grand jury meets Tuesday

Absentglare said:
Intimidating judges to attack an outgroup scapegoat is right out the Nazi playbook.
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We're not talking about intimidating judges to attack on Jewish people that are Muslims were expecting that they don't help illegal aliens evade immigration enforcement.

No one's being scapegoated we're not talking about an out group.
 
nota bene said:
So the law is the law only when it suits your agenda?
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Laws and application of the law can be weaponized. Laws do not execute themselves. It's people who execute the law, and right now, the law is being executed for the purposes of debasing certain classes of people. Everyone talks about resistance. This is what resistance looks like.

Martin Luther King disobeyed the law.

Rosa Parks disobeyed the law.

Were they wrong, or were the laws wrong?
 
This should be an interesting case. Clearly the prosecution is confident it has enough evidence to convict based on intent, so we'll see what they have when this goes to trial.
 
j brown's body said:
The feds using state courthouses is a real disrespect to state's rights. It really interferes with their ability to function. If these guys know they're going to court, there's no reason why that can't arrest them before he gets there.
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no such thing as "states rights". Rights are given to people. States have powers.
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the principle of federal supremacy, established by the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution (Article VI, Clause 2), means that federal laws, including the Constitution and treaties, are the supreme law of the land and take precedence over conflicting state laws. This principle is foundational to American federalism, ensuring a unified national legal framework while allowing for state-level governance
 
multivita-man said:
Laws and application of the law can be weaponized.
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Hasn't the left spent the last year saying that isn't a thing?

multivita-man said:
Laws do not execute themselves. It's people who execute the law, and right now, the law is being executed for the purposes of debasing certain classes of people. Everyone talks about resistance. This is what resistance looks like.

Martin Luther King disobeyed the law.

Rosa Parks disobeyed the law.

Were they wrong, or were the laws wrong?
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Do you think it's wrong to deport illegal immigrants?
 
SNOWFLAKE said:
Well, THAT would have at least one benefit, it would give Righties a hard..........
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And it would show that nobody's above the law but leftists think they're above the law. They think whatever moral ends they fabricate justifies the means.
 
CLAX1911 said:
And it would show that nobody's above the law but leftists think they're above the law. They think whatever moral ends they fabricate justifies the means.
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Did you JUST say NOBODY is above the law? OMG, seriously? How disloyal are you? TRUMP is above the law. If you can't say so you are not a true Trumper.
 
Josie said:
Do you think it's wrong to deport illegal immigrants?
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Of course not. Deport away - with due process.

Beyond that, a state judge isn't required to cooperate with gestapo efforts to apprehend them.
 
multivita-man said:
Of course not. Deport away - with due process.

Beyond that, a state judge isn't required to cooperate with gestapo efforts to apprehend them.
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Was it "gestapo efforts" under Obama and Biden?
 
Josie said:
Was it "gestapo efforts" under Obama and Biden?
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How about under Clinton or Kennedy? How far back in time do YOU want to go to deflect from the current conversation?
 
Josie said:
Was it "gestapo efforts" under Obama and Biden?
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No, and that's fair to point out, and I'm surprised you actually made the reference - proof that they weren't actually as weak on enforcement as some conservatives argue. Biden was weak in his messaging, particularly coming out of the pandemic. He underestimated the pent-up demand for immigrant labor that was waiting to take advantage of the US economy's reopening. I won't deny that. But he did change course, and he proved it could be done without this ugly spectacle we're seeing now.
 
ElChupacabra said:
This should be an interesting case. Clearly the prosecution is confident it has enough evidence to convict based on intent, so we'll see what they have when this goes to trial.
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Exactly. If the description of her transgression is exactly as alleged, that she knew that the illegal was about to be arrested in the courthouse and she escorted him out through the jury door to avoid said arrest, then she is guilty.

AS a judge she will be held to a higher standard than an ordinary citizen.

Of course, she will claim it was merely being courtesy for some alleged reason, and it will be up to a sympathetic or not sympathetic jury to decide. If she is guilty, I don't have a problem with the arrest.

We will see.
 
multivita-man said:
No, and that's fair to point out, and I'm surprised you actually made the reference - proof that they weren't actually as weak on enforcement as some conservatives argue. Biden was weak in his messaging, particularly coming out of the pandemic. He underestimated the pent-up demand for immigrant labor that was waiting to take advantage of the US economy's reopening. I won't deny that. But he did change course, and he proved it could be done without this ugly spectacle we're seeing now.
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Why is arresting illegal immigrants "gestapo effort" under Trump, but not under Biden or Obama?
 
Josie said:
Why is arresting illegal immigrants "gestapo effort" under Trump, but not under Biden or Obama?
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Because of the way that Trump is doing it, versus how Biden and Obama did.

You know, what you guys are cheering for. That's what we think is fascist.
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
Because of the way that Trump is doing it, versus how Biden and Obama did.

You know, what you guys are cheering for. That's what we think is fascist.
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I'm not for deporting people without due process so don't lump me into a generalization box.

What about this specific case was fascist?
 
Josie said:
Hasn't the left spent the last year saying that isn't a thing?
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Sounds like a "they did it too" admission.
Josie said:
Do you think it's wrong to deport illegal immigrants?
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So long as it is done legally. Flores was in a court, the Chief Judge had informed the ICE agents that the court had not put in place a procedure for federal agents to enforce their warrants within his offices.
 
eohrnberger said:
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Yes, of course. We know. Racist conservative authoritarianism died with Adolf Hitler on April 30, 1945. And no one was fascist ever again after that.
 
anatta said:
no such thing as "states rights". Rights are given to people. States have powers.
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the principle of federal supremacy, established by the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution (Article VI, Clause 2), means that federal laws, including the Constitution and treaties, are the supreme law of the land and take precedence over conflicting state laws. This principle is foundational to American federalism, ensuring a unified national legal framework while allowing for state-level governance
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States have a right to be able to conduct legal business in their courts. ICE makes that difficult if people who have business before the court don't arrive because they don't want to be arrested by them.
 
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