Milwaukee County Judge Dugan indicted, grand jury meets Tuesday

[nota bene]

How about under Clinton or Kennedy? How far back in time do YOU want to go to deflect from the current conversation?

From Wiki:

There is an ongoing migrant crisis in North America concerning the illegal migration of people into the United States across the Mexico-United States border. U.S. Presidents Barack Obama and Donald Trump both referred to surges in migrants at the border as a "crisis" during their tenure.[4] Following a decline in migrants crossing the border during the first Trump administration, illegal border crossings surged during the Biden administration, with over 7.2 million migrants encountered between January 2021 and January 2024, not counting gotaways.[5][6] Experts have attributed the increase in attempted crossings to pent-up demand, changes in global migration patterns, a change of perceptions by migrants about the ease of crossing, and incentives for migrants to try to cross again after Title 42 expulsions.[7][8][9] The number of migrants sent back increased as a result, though the percentage sent back decreased.[5] Border apprehensions fell back to 2020 levels in mid-2024.[10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico–United_States_border_crisis

 

[Pyrite]

The group of undocumented immigrants are absolutely being scapegoated. Trump full-throated blames them for all kinds of things. His poor, gullible supporters are too scared chickenshit to see how they’re being completely manipulated.

And now judges are being targeted and scapegoated by trump and his lawless regime.

 

[multivita-man]

Why?

There was no need to arrest the judge. The need was to intimidate others into cooperation in advance.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

So the law is the law only when it suits your agenda?

I must be one of these rare people that think when a public official breaks the law, they should face justice regardless of their party or ideology.

This judge will face a jury and evidence will be presented. Many of y’all that are all for this, also voted for a convicted felon that faced multiple additional indictments.

Myself, I just prefer to be as consistent as I can.

 

[Pyrite]

There was no need to arrest the judge. The need was to intimidate others into cooperation in advance.

Post #128


BINGO.

 

[Josie]

There was no need to arrest the judge. The need was to intimidate others into cooperation in advance.

If the judge is accused of breaking the law, shouldn't that result in an arrest?

Cooperation into following the current law (that you said you agreed with) of deporting illegal immigrants - what's wrong with that?

 

[Pyrite]

If the judge is accused of breaking the law, shouldn't that result in an arrest?

Cooperation into following the current law (that you said you agreed with) of deporting illegal immigrants - what's wrong with that?

Post #131


So, an accusation - and by whom? - is sufficient to arrest a sitting judge or Justice?

 

[nota bene]

How right that statement is. Which is why no decent person with more than two working brain cells to rub together could or should honestly trust Donald Trump or his coterie him to enforce the law. Wouldn’t you agree, nota been?

I'm not going to respond to that lame "As everybody smart and decent knows..." fallacy.

I don't have much confidence in any government agencies save for the IRS. We've already seen Eric Holder's DOJ and the weaponization of the FBI, so I can understand grave suspicion of ICE.

But I will say this as a non-fan of Donald Trump: I am delighted by his Admin's enforcement of immigration law. And confidently that this will save American lives. Texans' lives.

If Trump's Admin's enforcement is out of line, it must be brought back into line. Rogue judges isn't the way.

 

[multivita-man]

If the judge is accused of breaking the law, shouldn't that result in an arrest?

On technical grounds, no.

Cooperation into following the current law (that you said you agreed with) of deporting illegal immigrants - what's wrong with that?

I've already laid it out. This administration has no regard for due process. The Supreme Court (and other courts) have made that clear already. The judge in question decided, based on the type of warrant presented to her, she had discretion to not cooperate. Obviously, the DOJ disagrees, but if you're cheering for them, you're cheering for assault on civil liberties, dual federalism, due process, rule of law. You can be anti-illegal immigration while not being those things.

 

[Josie]

On technical grounds, no.

Why not?

Shouldn't judges cooperate with the law?

I've already laid it out. This administration has no regard for due process. The Supreme Court (and other courts) have made that clear already. The judge in question decided, based on the type of warrant presented to her, she had discretion to not cooperate. Obviously, the DOJ disagrees, but if you're cheering for them, you're cheering for assault on civil liberties, dual federalism, due process, rule of law. You can be anti-illegal immigration while not being those things.

If she broke the law, she broke the law. If she didn't break the law, she didn't break the law. I'm "cheering" for the law to be followed no matter who is involved, aren't you?

 

[nota bene]

I must be one of these rare people that think when a public official breaks the law, they should face justice regardless of their party or ideology.

This judge will face a jury and evidence will be presented. Many of y’all that are all for this, also voted for a convicted felon that faced multiple additional indictments.

Myself, I just prefer to be as consistent as I can.

Excuse me?

 

[Felis Leo]

I'm not going to respond to that lame "As everybody smart and decent knows..." fallacy.

I don't have much confidence in any government agencies save for the IRS. We've already seen Eric Holder's DOJ and the weaponization of the FBI, so I can understand grave suspicion of ICE.

That is a cop-out, nota.

But I will say this as a non-fan of Donald Trump: I am delighted by his Admin's enforcement of immigration law. And confidently that this will save American lives. Texans' lives.

If Trump's Admin's enforcement is out of line, it must be brought back into line. Rogue judges isn't the way.

Including sending innocent people (as in, people convicted of no crime) to foreign concentration camps at taxpayer expense to serve indeterminate sentences without any due process afforded? And keeping them there against the orders of the Supreme Court? Are you delighted by that, nota bene?

 

[Ahlevah]

The old saying that a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich comes to mind.

She doesn’t look like she misses too many meals. Kind of porky.

 

[anatta]

States have a right to be able to conduct legal business in their courts. ICE makes that difficult if people who have business before the court don't arrive because they don't want to be arrested by them.

The judge was obstructing justice /interference with a legit arrest . The supremacy clause means even state laws on federal matters are 2nd tier powers

 

[nota bene]

That is a cop-out, nota.



Including sending innocent people (as in, people convicted of no crime) to foreign concentration camps to serve indeterminate sentences without any due process afforded? And keeping them there against the orders of the Supreme Court? Are you delighted by that, nota bene?

Felis, am I on trial here?

But fine. It's a cop-out.

 

[Josie]

She doesn’t look like she misses too many meals. Kind of porky.

That's gross, dude.

 

[j brown's body]

I'm not going to respond to that lame "As everybody smart and decent knows..." fallacy.

I don't have much confidence in any government agencies save for the IRS. We've already seen Eric Holder's DOJ and the weaponization of the FBI, so I can understand grave suspicion of ICE.

But I will say this as a non-fan of Donald Trump: I am delighted by his Admin's enforcement of immigration law. And confidently that this will save American lives. Texans' lives.

If Trump's Admin's enforcement is out of line, it must be brought back into line. Rogue judges isn't the way.

The Trump administration's approach to Mayor Adams shows us the extreme degree the Trump administration has basically put criminal justice up for sale.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

If the judge is accused of breaking the law, shouldn't that result in an arrest?

No, not in this case:
First, a criminal complaint is most often used to obtain an arrest warrant in cases where agents and prosecutors are worried about either ongoing criminal conduct or risk to the public at large or, as is not infrequently true, both. Take a recent example. On the same day that Dugan was arrested, the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Western District of Missouri announced that a day after a search of his house, a man was charged by criminal complaint for distributing and possessing child pornography. A criminal complaint under those circumstances is vitally important to ensure that the arrested individual can no longer continue to endanger child victims during the period it would take to secure an indictment from a grand jury.

It is hard to see how that rationale would apply in Judge Dugan’s case. Nothing in the criminal complaint suggests Dugan was involved in any kind of ongoing criminal conduct, let alone conduct that jeopardized the public at large. Even taken in a light most charitable to the government, the facts in the criminal complaint instead describe a judge unsympathetic to an effort by federal agents to enforce immigration laws in the Milwaukee County Courthouse. The complaint itself, however, notes that the chief judge was developing a policy for precisely such matters, and the criminal complaint nowhere suggests that Dugan would willfully resist such a policy once in place.
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Third, the move to quickly seek a criminal complaint in this case appears out of step with Justice Department policy. Under the Justice Manual, prosecutors must recognize “the fact that resort to the criminal process is not necessarily the only appropriate response to serious forms of antisocial activity.” Among the alternatives that prosecutors should explore is whether to refer matters to “licensing authorities or to professional organizations such as bar associations.” That appears to be exactly what happened—albeit after prosecutors dismissed criminal charges they had initially brought—in the just-mentioned case of Judge Joseph. It may be that after exploring alternatives to seeking criminal charges, the government would decide to press forward with prosecution nonetheless. But it is hard to take seriously the notion that prosecutors oversaw a complete investigation and engaged in a good-faith assessment of noncriminal alternatives to prosecution in a mere six days.

The Judge Dugan Case Is More Complicated Than It Seems

Some see the prosecution of the Wisconsin circuit court judge as vindicating the rule of law, and others as an attack on it. They’re both wrong.

www.lawfaremedia.org

 

[j brown's body]

If the judge is accused of breaking the law, shouldn't that result in an arrest?

Cooperation into following the current law (that you said you agreed with) of deporting illegal immigrants - what's wrong with that?

You didn't address his point.

 

[Pyrite]

The judge was obstructing justice /interference with a legit arrest . The supremacy clause means even state laws on federal matters are 2nd tier powers

I didn't realize you have a JD. From trump university?

Back to the topic at hand: What about the question I've asked you in Post #132:

So, an accusation - and by whom? - is sufficient to arrest a sitting judge or Justice?

 

[Ahlevah]

That's gross, dude.

I’m trying to raise public awareness that being obese is not a lifestyle choice.

 

[Felis Leo]

Felis, am I on trial here?

But fine. It's a cop-out.

I thought I was asking you a pretty straightforward question. But I think I can glean my answer. Would you say that as long as all the illegal immigrants and their disgusting parasite children (whether born citizens or not) are gone, you don’t care how it’s done?

 

[Josie]

I thought I was asking you a pretty straightforward question. But I think I can glean my answer. Would you say that as long as all the illegal immigrants and their disgusting parasite children (whether born citizens or not) are gone, you don’t care how it’s done?

Good God, dude.

 

[Parrish]

Felis, am I on trial here?

But fine. It's a cop-out.

Yes. But you be you.

 

[anatta]

From Wiki:

There is an ongoing migrant crisis in North America concerning the illegal migration of people into the United States across the Mexico-United States border. U.S. Presidents Barack Obama and Donald Trump both referred to surges in migrants at the border as a "crisis" during their tenure.[4] Following a decline in migrants crossing the border during the first Trump administration, illegal border crossings surged during the Biden administration, with over 7.2 million migrants encountered between January 2021 and January 2024, not counting gotaways.[5][6] Experts have attributed the increase in attempted crossings to pent-up demand, changes in global migration patterns, a change of perceptions by migrants about the ease of crossing, and incentives for migrants to try to cross again after Title 42 expulsions.[7][8][9] The number of migrants sent back increased as a result, though the percentage sent back decreased.[5] Border apprehensions fell back to 2020 levels in mid-2024.[10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico–United_States_border_crisis

7.2 million encounters in 4 years would overwhelm an army of immigration judges. We'll never be able to process those that dont want to be so. I understand maybe only 4 million of those encounters got released with a notice into the USA. Add (+) 2 million get aways and that is still 6 million migrants sucking up USA resources