Militarized Gaza aid system shows Israel's continued use of starvation as weapon of war, Amnesty report says

[Tigerace117]

Only the modern media could accuse Israel of feeding Gazans and freeing them of HAMAS control as part of their secret evil plan for Genocide

Only Israeli apologists could handwave away the slaughter of tens of thousands with wails of “Hamas!” and expect that to somehow negate all of the “Jewish State”’s numerous atrocities.

 

[Tigerace117]

And I and others have been saying that if Israel really wanted to wipe out the Palestinians in a genocide...

ALL OF THE PALESTINIANS WOULD ALREADY BE DEAD.,

This hi-tech army shooting unarmed people and they can't wipe them all out in a couple of weeks?

Easiest genocide on the planet. 2 million people lined up neat and tidy for Israeli and, well, there are still 2 million people living there years later.

The Nazis failed to murder every single Jewish person in Europe despite possessing all manner of “high tech advantages”, which makes your posturing rather silly.

 

[oneworld2]

And I and others have been saying that if Israel really wanted to wipe out the Palestinians in a genocide...

ALL OF THE PALESTINIANS WOULD ALREADY BE DEAD.,

This hi-tech army shooting unarmed people and they can't wipe them all out in a couple of weeks?

Easiest genocide on the planet. 2 million people lined up neat and tidy for Israeli and, well, there are still 2 million people living there years later.

That's maybe because you want to live in a certain mindset and believe the date is 1880 and not 2025

 

[bomberfox]

Only the modern media could accuse Israel of feeding Gazans and freeing them of HAMAS control as part of their secret evil plan for Genocide

With respect, what i get is perspectives from a Palestinian point of view and what their fears are in terms of peace activists and just ordinary people. That is not really what i get from them. The IDF is not seen by palestinians as a liberating force, on the contrary. They see them as deeply tied to Israel’s settler colonial movement. This is after years of constant blockade/

 

[oneworld2]

Only the modern media could accuse Israel of feeding Gazans and freeing them of HAMAS control as part of their secret evil plan for Genocide

And only an idiot would believe that this has ANYTHING to do with " freeing ( Palestinians) from Hamas"

Everyone can see what this is, the use of starvation as a means bring about the death or evacuation of the entire Gazan population

 

[Felis Leo]

Of course any claims should be investigated, but Amnesty are mostly angry that Israel and the US found a way to distribute aid to Gazan civilians without it reaching Hamas.

For the small price of turning these mercenary-run aid distribution centers into the IDF's shooting galleries.

Israeli military investigates 'reports of harm to civilians' after hundreds killed near Gaza aid sites

The IDF said instructions had been issued to forces after "lessons learned".

www.bbc.com

 

[oneworld2]

hamas is a terrorist organization. No one is defending them. So when you say ‘Palestinians”, who are YOU referring to?

The US and Israeli armies are terrorist organisations of their respective states too, at least if we are applying standards equally.

 

[Bodi]

hamas is a terrorist organization. No one is defending them. So when you say ‘Palestinians”, who are YOU referring to?

The people that voted the Terrorist Organization into power.

 

[Fledermaus]

That's maybe because you want to live in a certain mindset and believe the date is 1880 and not 2025

How is the date relevant?

The Japanese at Nanking killed 40,000-100,000 civilians starting December 4, 1937 and ended March 28, 1938.

The Nazis... Six months into the invasion of the Soviet Union, the Einsatzgruppen had murdered more than 500,000 Soviet Jews.

Rwandan genocide, also known as the genocide against the Tutsi, occurred from 7 April to 19 July 1994 - 500,000 to 800,000 dead, 250,000 to 500,000 Tutsi women raped.

 

[Tigerace117]

The people that voted the Terrorist Organization into power.

Israel happily voted a terrorist PM— Menachim Begin. Does that mean they should have been bombed?

 

[Bodi]

That's maybe because you want to live in a certain mindset and believe the date is 1880 and not 2025

So you are saying that the Israeli's are committing Genocide but just not committed to letting loose yet?

 

[Bodi]

The genocide bit is that Trump and Netanyahu want them all out for resorts.

That is Ethnic Cleansing.

That plan is in progress.

It would be tough to have resorts there with Hamas lobbing rockets at the vacationers. Not good for sales.

 

[Bodi]

That's a bit of a false dichotomy you're setting up there. Or maybe guilt by geographic proximity.

It should be obvious that we see Hamas as murderous terrorists and Gazan civilians as victims of both Hamas and the IDF.

That is what you see... unfortunately most want to demonize Israel at all costs and ignore historical context, reasoning, etc.

 

[Felis Leo]

So you are saying that the Israeli's are committing Genocide but just not committed to letting loose yet?

Yes. To draw a salient comparison, the Jews of Poland were kept in ghettos by the Nazi occupiers like those of Warsaw and Lodz for two years before the mass extermination campaign began in earnest. And the world knew about the ghettos and how miserable they were.

 

[cpwill]

With respect, what i get is perspectives from a Palestinian point of view and what their fears are in terms of peace activists and just ordinary people. That is not really what i get from them. The IDF is not seen by palestinians as a liberating force, on the contrary. They see them as deeply tied to Israel’s settler colonial movement. This is after years of constant blockade/

Of that I have no doubt.

1. The IDF isn't there to "liberate" them, except perhaps indirectly. The IDF isn't there to benefit Gazans, but to destroy HAMAS and liberate the Hostages.

1.a. Mind you, I have deep doubts they will accomplish that first goal, and believe that HAMAS will ultimately be left in charge of the Gazan population, even if they choose to be less public-facing for a while. We have seen some Palestinians express their discontent with HAMAS' abuses, but, HAMAS puts them down pretty quickly and brutally, and Western Media suddenly becomes remarkably uninterested in pursuing stories of Palestinian suffering when it can't cast Israel as the Bad Guy... Actually breaking HAMAS would require directly governing Gaza for at least a couple of generations, and Israel doesn't want to do that. I think, therefore, that HAMAS probably wins, but, I've been proven wrong by the IDF before, so, we'll see.​

2. It is also worth noting that the Palestinian populace is - partially at least thanks to UN money - one of the more heavily propagandized in the world, raised to believe horrific things about Jews generally and Israel in particular, and glorify dying in the act of killing members of either. HAMAS is able to leverage immense tribal loyalty and social power because - what - do you side with the jews?!? Against your own people?!!?

It's a deliberately broken and weaponized population.

 

[Allan]

That is what you see... unfortunately most want to demonize Israel at all costs and ignore historical context, reasoning, etc.

History is gone. What is happening today?

 

[The Brad Dad]

The people that voted the Terrorist Organization into power.

You mean the free and fair elections Israel has controlled? And is genocide an acceptable strategy?

 

[The Brad Dad]

History is gone. What is happening today?

They like historical context just not when it’s used to clarify Israel’s behavior.

 

[Tigerace117]

Of that I have no doubt.

1. The IDF isn't there to "liberate" them, except perhaps indirectly. The IDF isn't there to benefit Gazans, but to destroy HAMAS and liberate the Hostages.

1.a. Mind you, I have deep doubts they will accomplish that first goal, and believe that HAMAS will ultimately be left in charge of the Gazan population, even if they choose to be less public-facing for a while. We have seen some Palestinians express their discontent with HAMAS' abuses, but, HAMAS puts them down pretty quickly and brutally, and Western Media suddenly becomes remarkably uninterested in pursuing stories of Palestinian suffering when it can't cast Israel as the Bad Guy... Actually breaking HAMAS would require directly governing Gaza for at least a couple of generations, and Israel doesn't want to do that. I think, therefore, that HAMAS probably wins, but, I've been proven wrong by the IDF before, so, we'll see.​

2. It is also worth noting that the Palestinian populace is - partially at least thanks to UN money - one of the more heavily propagandized in the world, raised to believe horrific things about Jews generally and Israel in particular, and glorify dying in the act of killing members of either. HAMAS is able to leverage immense tribal loyalty and social power because - what - do you side with the jews?!? Against your own people?!!?

It's a deliberately broken and weaponized population.

The IDF doesn’t give a shit about the hostages. No military force is going to carry out indiscriminate bombing raids in a place as densely populated as Gaza if it is worried about collateral damage.

Palestinian resistance to Israeli colonization of their land and murder of innocent civilians can’t be ended with any amount of wailing “Hamas”, yes.

It is worth noting plenty of people in the West are willing to accept any atrocity committed against Palestinian civilians by the IDF, yes.

As you just demonstrated.

 

[bomberfox]

Of that I have no doubt.

1. The IDF isn't there to "liberate" them, except perhaps indirectly. The IDF isn't there to benefit Gazans, but to destroy HAMAS and liberate the Hostages.

1.a. Mind you, I have deep doubts they will accomplish that first goal, and believe that HAMAS will ultimately be left in charge of the Gazan population, even if they choose to be less public-facing for a while. We have seen some Palestinians express their discontent with HAMAS' abuses, but, HAMAS puts them down pretty quickly and brutally, and Western Media suddenly becomes remarkably uninterested in pursuing stories of Palestinian suffering when it can't cast Israel as the Bad Guy... Actually breaking HAMAS would require directly governing Gaza for at least a couple of generations, and Israel doesn't want to do that. I think, therefore, that HAMAS probably wins, but, I've been proven wrong by the IDF before, so, we'll see.​

2. It is also worth noting that the Palestinian populace is - partially at least thanks to UN money - one of the more heavily propagandized in the world, raised to believe horrific things about Jews generally and Israel in particular, and glorify dying in the act of killing members of either. HAMAS is able to leverage immense tribal loyalty and social power because - what - do you side with the jews?!? Against your own people?!!?

It's a deliberately broken and weaponized population.

I dont think it is just because of Hamas. There is a large history that people remember that has nothing to do with the UN and hamas. Its a history of an extremely violent settler movement that has grown beyond the control of even moderate Israelis that seeks to create an Israel that extends well into modern Jordan. This movement terrorizes palestinians in the west bank and within Israel using an unequal favoring of jewish property rights above arabs to kick them out of their family homes. I saw the Americans who aid in this effort. It aint propaganda. I want peace more than anything but in order to have peace the causes of violence must be addressed.

There is a good show called the enemies project.

The Enemies Project

When our viewing audience witnesses "enemies" connecting as human beings, their own enemy trances can be broken. The Enemies Project brings together individuals from opposing sides to share their stories, struggles, and common humanity.

www.enemiesproject.org

 

[The Brad Dad]

2. It is also worth noting that the Palestinian populace is - partially at least thanks to UN money - one of the more heavily propagandized in the world

I think the wanton slaughter of their family and friends, entire neighborhoods destroyed, that plays a much larger role in their ideas about the world than UN propaganda.

 

[oneworld2]

So you are saying that the Israeli's are committing Genocide but just not committed to letting loose yet?

I'm saying this isn't 1880 when the genocide of peoples by settler colonialists was all the rage and there were no international laws around to condemn them as crimes.

Your posts make me think you might miss those days.

The plan all along has been to make the Strip unlivable for the Gazan population in order to induce an ethnic cleansing by committing a genocide. The choice is obvious, leave or die. Thus far they can't leave even if they wanted to, so the plan is to keep on with the other two aims until they can leave.

That's the sort of immoral gutter actions you support.

If they thought they could get away with an old school style genocide they would have already done so BUT this isn't 1880 and they will have to recognize that.

BTW your ignorance of what actually counts as a genocide is on show again and for the umpteenth time. clue, you don't have to kill everyone for it to be a genocide. It's a simple concept but it seems just a bridge too far for you to understand.

 

[oneworld2]

That is Ethnic Cleansing.

Itself a crime

It would be tough to have resorts there with Hamas lobbing rockets at the vacationers. Not good for sales.

Your commentary is idiotic and base

 

[oneworld2]

That is what you see... unfortunately most want to demonize Israel at all costs and ignore historical context, reasoning, etc.

The context is that Israel is the illegally occupying, illegally settling, illegally apartheid enforcing entity.

The historical context is that Zionists moved into someone elses land and decided it would be their mission to ethnically cleanse the locals and recreate a territory that hadn't been around for 2 thousand years.

Israel demonizes itself by its barbaric actions and serial law breaking.

You don't know enough, anywhere near enough, to come out with the comments you make.

To you it's just trending and you want to seem knowledgeable on it when you clearly aren't.

 

[Apocalypse]

And I and others have been saying that if Israel really wanted to wipe out the Palestinians in a genocide...

ALL OF THE PALESTINIANS WOULD ALREADY BE DEAD.,

This hi-tech army shooting unarmed people and they can't wipe them all out in a couple of weeks?

Easiest genocide on the planet. 2 million people lined up neat and tidy for Israeli and, well, there are still 2 million people living there years later.

The genocide accusation is idiotic and is only thrown by the antisemites.
In their eyes they can continue to yell genocide for 30 years now while the 2 million population turns to 120 million population and it'll still make sense to them.