Mexico agrees to deploy 10,000 troops to US border in exchange for tariff pause

[uptower]

That agreement came under Biden, a few months ago.

Convicted Felon Trump can strong-arm weaker players like Colombia with tarrif threats. Not do much heavy hitters like Mexico and Canada.

 

[Paradoxical]

Even if he knew what he was doing I am sure they made it clear to him that he does as he is told or end up like Trump. You saw how quickly the party made him into the their scape goat. Harris is next unless they cannot find a popular party puppet to be their next candidate.

That's a VERY good observation which I never really thought of. The way they went after Trump with not one, but TWO phony impeachments with the intent to hobble him, and then when he decided to run to immediately craft lawfare cases on dubious interpretations of law was all they had to tell Joe, who may have resisted in his feeble state of mind.

Undoubtedly Ma and Pa Kettle had a chat with him at pudding feeding and said, "Ummmm Joe, we know where your family lives and we have the receipts to throw all of them in prison for taking money from China, Russia and Ukraine and we know we could let the Republicans impeach you for keeping classified documents and your dirty deeds in Ukraine of telling them they weren't getting that billion unless they got the prosecutor off your son's tail. Now, look, Joe, we know you like thinking you're the president, but we will eff you up bad if you don't drop out. Then we go after Jill and prove to everyone how she had to help you read and change Depends, and then after your family. We know people in the FBI and CIA, Joe. Now go out there and we'll let you say you are turning the reins over to a younger generation, just like that effing poster Paradoxical said you would 6 months ago. We'll get that guy for you, Joe. He knows too much."

 

[soap box]

Gee, @soap box want to weight in on your post?

He lied, and did so extensively.

As I proved.

I would ask @rahl to consider that we're limited in an Internet forum concerning proof. We can't conduct interviews or examine available evidence. A chemist has a high threshold of proof, but the social sciences don't. Some things can be proven in words alone but not often.

There are several claims he made that weren't true. Asking for proof is appropriate in a courtroom, and even then it's qualified by reasonable doubt. Here however, we don't have have the same threshold but we still have lots of evidence to consider.

The best estimate of insurgents was only 10 to 20. They weren't searching for a high level associate of Bun Laden. The man who rescued him said his story was exaggerated and a Navy Seal familiar with the event said it was nonsense.

The part that was most convincing to me was the exceprt from the book written about the event. As much as I would commend his service, and as much as I would say I have never lived through an excruciating ordeal like he did, I believe he did lie.


Rahl, I agree with most of your posts but not the 2A and that's why we're here. I still respect you. Let me know what you posted about our fellow member not reading which part? Are you pointing to my first paragraph? I'm skeptical about my favorite paper, The Texas Tribune, and sometimes even they disappoint me, but the links in the article I posted check out.

 

[rahl]

Gee, @soap box want to weight in on your post?

He lied, and did so extensively.

As I proved.

So you still can’t prove he lied. Thank you.

 

[snakestretcher]

You should clearly be even more aware that you are, like so many, disingenuous in the service of your prejudices. Part of this is due to your politics, but an equally large part of it is likely due to the news sources you rely on.

The NYT, the flagship of left of center "prestige" media finally admitted the truth. The elections being over, even in the wake of the NYT staff's woke revolution of 2022, had sufficient residual integrity to tell the truth after November of 2024.

“the immigration surge of the past few years has been the largest in US history”, and “the Biden administration’s policy appears to have been the biggest factor.” ...

• “Even after taking into account today’s larger U.S. population, the recent surge is the most rapid since at least 1850.”
• “About 60% of immigrants who have entered the country since 2021 have done so without legal authorization.”
• “high levels of immigration do have downsides, including the pressure on social services and increased competition for jobs.”
• “The scale of recent immigration helps explain why the issue has played a central role in American politics over the past few years.”

Comparing two weeks of the Trump administration to anything prior is absurd. For most of Biden's tenure he caused the greatest surge (proportionally) since 1850 - that alone suggests you ostrich stance of cherry-picked time periods is useless.

More on this later...

You might want to examine the following:

Trump’s Misleading Chart on Illegal Immigration - FactCheck.org

During a speech in Green Bay, Wisconsin, former President Donald Trump pointed to a chart on apprehensions of people trying to enter the U.S. illegally at the southwest border. "See the arrow on the bottom? That was my last week in office," he said. "That was the lowest number in history." But...

www.factcheck.org

 

[snakestretcher]

As a follow up, @snakestretcher posts three links to support his contention that actions taken by Biden led to decreased illegal immigration. The 3 links include a photo op of him walking with two border guards as if he is presidential and knows anything, which he didn't. He said he would build 20 miles of wall with big fanfare and later comments by experts that he has to ignore stupid environmental laws like the horned frogs and ants. All people saw, and especially those in Europe were these big headlines which were to dupe the masses all over the world in spite of Biden saying in 2021 that walls are inhumane and don't work and he would stop them.

So, the poster uses those three headlines to prove that the reduction in immigration was because of 20 miles of wall, when that was never done and to prove he would never do it and that Trump couldn't, he illegally auctioned off the valuable metal for less than scrap value to connected friends.

Biden was a liar and a criminal and various sanctuary cities told him to keep illegals coming for the cash they bring to the cities and government jobs created,

Ok, let's have a example of Biden's documented 'criminality'-not just something you invented. As for the ignorant nonsense about Biden selling off "valuable" metal-it was agreed by Congress, and Texas already bought a load of leftover steel. You know nothing about anything-except how to post ignorant bullshit, which a few seconds of fact-checking is enough to prove you wrong. As always you make this far too easy. Try harder; I enjoy a challenge.

Why were border wall materials put up for auction? Here's what you should know.

Some Texas lawmakers including Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick slammed the Biden administration over the auction of wall materials. But the sale was directed by Congress — and Texas has already bought some of it.

www.texastribune.org

Fact Check: Biden Selling Off Parts of Border Wall? Here's What We Know

"This can’t be legal," said an X user. "Why does this administration want to weaken the United States?"

www.yahoo.com

Texas bought $12 million in border wall materials in federal auction. Here's why

Some Texas lawmakers slammed the Biden administration over the auction of wall materials. But the sale was directed by Congress — and Texas bought some of it.

eu.statesman.com

 

[soap box]

So you still can’t prove he lied. Thank you.

Nobody can "prove" anything like that unless we can all examine the evidence and interview witnesses. You're saying this without any supporting notion. Are you saying he's not lying? What makes you think that?

 

[Tigerace117]

So you still can’t prove he lied. Thank you.

Uh…..not only did I do so, soapbox likewise confirmed my statements.

You are just flailing for the sake of flailing.

 

[Paradoxical]

Ok, let's have a example of Biden's documented 'criminality'-not just something you invented. As for the ignorant nonsense about Biden selling off "valuable" metal-it was agreed by Congress, and Texas already bought a load of leftover steel. You know nothing about anything-except how to post ignorant bullshit, which a few seconds of fact-checking is enough to prove you wrong. As always you make this far too easy. Try harder; I enjoy a challenge.

Why were border wall materials put up for auction? Here's what you should know.

Some Texas lawmakers including Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick slammed the Biden administration over the auction of wall materials. But the sale was directed by Congress — and Texas has already bought some of it.

www.texastribune.org

Fact Check: Biden Selling Off Parts of Border Wall? Here's What We Know

"This can’t be legal," said an X user. "Why does this administration want to weaken the United States?"

www.yahoo.com

Texas bought $12 million in border wall materials in federal auction. Here's why

Some Texas lawmakers slammed the Biden administration over the auction of wall materials. But the sale was directed by Congress — and Texas bought some of it.

eu.statesman.com

Another feeble attempt by you at diversion and trying to turn that 3000-watt spotlight that is exposing you, onto me. You have not answered why Biden did NOT build 20 feet of wall, how even if he did, how that stopped illegals from coming over, why he didn't continue the wall that Trump was in the process of, why he decided to build 20 feet of wall when he promised that he wouldn't build any walls during his campaign.

So, what we had with you was in response to the question of why border crossings dropped in November (after the great Trump was re-elected) was that the reason for the reduction was because Biden built 20 miles of wall (actually 20 FEET).

Again, how did Biden NOT building a wall stem the flow of illegals?

 

[j brown's body]

Another feeble attempt by you at diversion and trying to turn that 3000-watt spotlight that is exposing you, onto me. You have not answered why Biden did NOT build 20 feet of wall, how even if he did, how that stopped illegals from coming over, why he didn't continue the wall that Trump was in the process of, why he decided to build 20 feet of wall when he promised that he wouldn't build any walls during his campaign.

So, what we had with you was in response to the question of why border crossings dropped in November (after the great Trump was re-elected) was that the reason for the reduction was because Biden built 20 miles of wall (actually 20 FEET).

Again, how did Biden NOT building a wall stem the flow of illegals?

Since people are coming here turning themselves in seeking legal asylum, what good is a wall?

 

[snakestretcher]

Another feeble attempt by you at diversion and trying to turn that 3000-watt spotlight that is exposing you, onto me. You have not answered why Biden did NOT build 20 feet of wall, how even if he did, how that stopped illegals from coming over, why he didn't continue the wall that Trump was in the process of, why he decided to build 20 feet of wall when he promised that he wouldn't build any walls during his campaign.

So, what we had with you was in response to the question of why border crossings dropped in November (after the great Trump was re-elected) was that the reason for the reduction was because Biden built 20 miles of wall (actually 20 FEET).

Again, how did Biden NOT building a wall stem the flow of illegals?

No diversion, merely correcting your serially ignorant contribution. Biden continued to build Trump's vanity wall. Are you really that unaware, or simply trolling for a reaction?

Joe Biden, Who Promised Not to Resume Trump’s Border Wall, Is Doing Just That

The administration claimed that the move is “mandated by law.” But what about the dozens of other laws Biden is waiving to continue construction?

www.vanityfair.com

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/05/white-house-waives-26-laws-for-us-mexico-border-wall-construction.html

Biden approves new section of border wall as Mexico crossings rise

The White House says it has no choice but to use funds already appropriated for a border barrier.

www.bbc.co.uk

You don't need 'excerpts', the headlines tell you all you need to educate yourself with.

 

[Paradoxical]

Since people are coming here turning themselves in seeking legal asylum, what good is a wall?

The asylum nonsense is bullshot. They weren't asking for evidence that they were being targeted and/or oppressed because of their sexuality. They just LET them in with a wink, a nod and a cell phone with a debit bard. Stop with this crazy crap that millions of people are fleeing their government or oppressed because they are gay. They are fleeing because they are poor.

 

[Paradoxical]

No diversion, merely correcting your serially ignorant contribution. Biden continued to build Trump's vanity wall. Are you really that unaware, or simply trolling for a reaction?

Joe Biden, Who Promised Not to Resume Trump’s Border Wall, Is Doing Just That

The administration claimed that the move is “mandated by law.” But what about the dozens of other laws Biden is waiving to continue construction?

www.vanityfair.com

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/05/white-house-waives-26-laws-for-us-mexico-border-wall-construction.html

Biden approves new section of border wall as Mexico crossings rise

The White House says it has no choice but to use funds already appropriated for a border barrier.

www.bbc.co.uk

You don't need 'excerpts', the headlines tell you all you need to educate yourself with.

Biden "approved" the wall, but it was never built. HE KNEW IT WOULDN'T BE.

Again, snakestretcher, it appears we have what the great movie "Cool Hand Luke" did, which is "failure to communicate"

The wall was NOT built, so how did NOT building the wall stem the flow of illegals.

PS. Posting a headline from Vanity Fair? Seriously>??

 

[snakestretcher]

Biden "approved" the wall, but it was never built. HE KNEW IT WOULDN'T BE.

Again, snakestretcher, it appears we have what the great movie "Cool Hand Luke" did, which is "failure to communicate"

The wall was NOT built, so how did NOT building the wall stem the flow of illegals.

PS. Posting a headline from Vanity Fair? Seriously>??

Go away; you've been comprehensively owned. Deal with it like a man and quit the pathetic whining-or you could explain how any one president, regardless of their politics, could adequately secure 2000 miles of porous border. Here's your chance to impress us all with your masterplan...

President Biden expands Mexican border wall - but can it stop crossings?

Experts say it is unlikely the barrier will have any long-term impact on migration flows.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Paradoxical]

Go away; you've been comprehensively owned. Deal with it like a man and quit the pathetic whining-or you could explain how any one president, regardless of their politics, could adequately secure 2000 miles of porous border. Here's your chance to impress us all with your masterplan...

President Biden expands Mexican border wall - but can it stop crossings?

Experts say it is unlikely the barrier will have any long-term impact on migration flows.

www.bbc.co.uk

You should actually read the links you post. If you did you would have found this:

On Wednesday, the Biden administration announced it would build an approximately 20-mile (32km) section of border wall in the area, an announcement that stood in stark contrast to then-candidate Joe Biden's 2020 declaration that he would not build "another foot of wall" as president. He halted construction on his first day in office.

This was a report from your state-run news that he claimed he would do this and not that he did it.

I don't know how someone who is thoroughly owned keeps coming back like Cool Hand Luke thinking he beat the other guy when he is all bloodied and can barely stand up.

 

[soap box]

So you still can’t prove he lied. Thank you.

What kind of proof would you accept? What do you mean by proof?

 

[j brown's body]

The asylum nonsense is bullshot. They weren't asking for evidence that they were being targeted and/or oppressed because of their sexuality. They just LET them in with a wink, a nod and a cell phone with a debit bard. Stop with this crazy crap that millions of people are fleeing their government or oppressed because they are gay. They are fleeing because they are poor.

They get a hearing. That's the law.

 

[Paradoxical]

They get a hearing. That's the law.

I got a "hearing" for them. In Mexico.

 

[trixare4kids]

Biden was a loyal party puppet. He did what he was told and they threw him under the bus when they were done with him. The real disappointment was Harris. With Biden clearly running nothing she had an opportunity to show us she was ready to take the helm. She was handed the border problem hand made it so much worse the democrats were handed their backsides in the last election. She may be the next person thrown under the bus.

I don't think the Democratic Party ever figured that Trump would be legally free to run for the presidency again, and that in fact, led to their demise. Look how lazy they both were until the fourth quarter to pay attention to the polls on immigration being one of the main issues for the electorate. An issue they pretty ignored as being valid to the voters.

After doing nothing constructive for four years the only thing left was for them to do was hurl their toxicity and voter shame.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

I don't think the Democratic Party ever figured that Trump would be legally free to run for the presidency again, and that in fact, led to their demise. Look how lazy they both were until the fourth quarter to pay attention to the polls on immigration being one of the main issues for the electorate. An issue they pretty ignored as being valid to the voters.

After doing nothing constructive for four years the only thing left was for them to do was hurl their toxicity and voter shame.

The border was a disaster and showed clearly how inept Harris was. I think they would have stuck with Biden if they could have continued to hide his mental decline. They were forced in the last minutes to thrust Harris into a position she was not qualified to handle. Her speeches were a lot of nothing said and the people saw right threw it.

Dumping millions of illegals all over the country right after a pandemic was a big mistake. People are trying to go back to work after a lot of businesses closed the doors for good. Then forcing them to compete against illegals in every city in the country was not popular. If you were working in a warehouse for 20 years making a decent livable wage and instead of being hired back you were replaced by one of these illegals for less money you just lost a vote. A lot of factory workers were thrust into a lot of lower paying jobs as one after another factories closed down and went elsewhere. Now they are bringing people here to put them back out of work again is not a way to get votes.

 

[maxparrish]

You might want to examine the following:

Trump’s Misleading Chart on Illegal Immigration - FactCheck.org

During a speech in Green Bay, Wisconsin, former President Donald Trump pointed to a chart on apprehensions of people trying to enter the U.S. illegally at the southwest border. "See the arrow on the bottom? That was my last week in office," he said. "That was the lowest number in history." But...

www.factcheck.org

Here is what you wrote to another poster: "You are clearly unaware (probably deliberately), that illegal border incursions fell under Biden, but rose under Trump. Why does this need constant repetition-or is your memory that short?"

Whether or not you believe Trump lied may be relevant to interaction with others, but my objection is that extreme mischaracterization. Moreover, the chart you subsequently provided shows how bad that mischaracterization is...

First, there were periods of rising and falling from BOTH ends to Trump's and then Biden's administration. Hence, your statement is logically false.

Second, "border incursions (encounters) as measure in both numbers and averages were far less for Trump than under Biden. And whereas Trump worked aggressively (often around obstructionist courts) to promptly discourage these illegals and it quickly tailed off, Biden not only refused to pursue aggressive policies he actually encouraged it by his parole of asylum applicants into the US. Only after years of attempts to snow the American people and falling polls did Biden begin to toughen up and use the powers, he always denied he had to discourage the human waves.

Your cited chart verity's this:

 

[ncguy]

That's a VERY good observation which I never really thought of. The way they went after Trump with not one, but TWO phony impeachments with the intent to hobble him, and then when he decided to run to immediately craft lawfare cases on dubious interpretations of law was all they had to tell Joe, who may have resisted in his feeble state of mind.

Undoubtedly Ma and Pa Kettle had a chat with him at pudding feeding and said, "Ummmm Joe, we know where your family lives and we have the receipts to throw all of them in prison for taking money from China, Russia and Ukraine and we know we could let the Republicans impeach you for keeping classified documents and your dirty deeds in Ukraine of telling them they weren't getting that billion unless they got the prosecutor off your son's tail. Now, look, Joe, we know you like thinking you're the president, but we will eff you up bad if you don't drop out. Then we go after Jill and prove to everyone how she had to help you read and change Depends, and then after your family. We know people in the FBI and CIA, Joe. Now go out there and we'll let you say you are turning the reins over to a younger generation, just like that effing poster Paradoxical said you would 6 months ago. We'll get that guy for you, Joe. He knows too much."

fake impeachments? lol. lawfare? lol.

 

[rahl]

S

Nobody can "prove" anything like that unless we can all examine the evidence and interview witnesses. You're saying this without any supporting notion. Are you saying he's not lying? What makes you think that?

So neither of you can prove he lied. Thank you.

 

[rahl]

Uh…..not only did I do so, soapbox likewise confirmed my statements.

Nope. Soap even said he can’t prove it lol.

You are just flailing for the sake of flailing.

So you can’t prove he lied. Thank you.

 

[soap box]

S

So neither of you can prove he lied. Thank you.

What's proof to you?