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Mexico agrees to deploy 10,000 troops to US border in exchange for tariff pause

maxparrish said:
Exactly why those who want to let millions seeking entry to "come on in" isn't always clear, even to themselves. Ten to Fifteen years ago an international survey found 160,000,000 who would move into the US tomorrow if it was permitted. And I am sure that today even more would do so if they had a chance.

Securing the border has never been expected to 100 percent prevent illegal entry, even the Berlin Wall and East German border had a few managing to find a way through - it didn't make Soviet and East German efforts to stem millions from leaving ineffective.

It isn't even debatable that when the US has an unfriendly President who isn't a rollover, millions who might otherwise try don't. And it is also indisputable that when someone is very welcoming, such as Biden, those same millions will appear at the US border with T-Shirts praising Biden and expecting entry.

I have no idea, besides stepping up deportations on criminals, what the Trump administration is planning. But a first step is to obey the law, challenge a consent agreement, pressure a change to the shadow docket and get serious about law enforcement. Indeed, I would welcome a low tolerance for adults and laws that provide:

Two thousand miles of a border wall, based on the same security systems Israel uses to seal off the west bank. The use of patrol roads, barbed wire, concrete walls, guard towers, vehicle trenches, and even vehicle disabling triggered (not personnel) mine fields would be most useful. I see nothing wrong with the use of deadly force, if necessary, to secure our borders and stop any human wave of invasion. And nothing in this violates international law, that I know of.

Visa overstays of more than 30 days punished as a misdemeanor or lowest class felony for the first offense. Thirty days in jail and deportation would be mandatory. (Naturally there would be exceptions for unavoidable circumstances).

A second violation of illegal entry and/or residence would be a felony. Not less than six months or more than one year of hard labor, likely at the border building more obstacles to illegals.

Equally severe punishment of employers who knowingly, or should have known, they were employing illegals. The only temporary exception would be for existing illegal agricultural field workers.

Mass roundups, similar to that of Eisenhower's Operation "Wetback". A successful effort that caused up to two million illegals to return to Mexico.

Modification of the reunification of families allowance to include only nuclear family members.

Enforcement of Asylum law as a strict quota and only applicable as written, not fancifully interpreted by liberal immigration judges and liberal administrations.

Finally, unaccompanied minors should be deported back to their home countries.

A moratorium on all immigration, save for those that can serve a vital national security interest, until these efforts are undertaken and immigration laws revised to be based on merit, as it is done in most other countries (eg Canada, Austrailia, and NZ).
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Most of this stuff is theatrical and may, or may not, effect the border on a day-to-day basis.

What we really need is new immigration policy.
 
Paradoxical said:
I read the headlines, and it is similar to some garbage from another poster that January crossings were very low. Complete liberal lunacy. Trump was elected in November and the Mexican president knew he wasn't going to stand for illegals, so SHE stopped caravans and made them turn back.

But, please tell me the policies Biden implemented to create this reduction when all along he said needed Congress to do it?
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Your misplaced pride just won't allow you to concede that you're ever wrong. How sad-and dishonest. Then again you're a staunch supporter of the most dishonest so-called 'president' in US political history, so I guess if it's ok for him to lie and invent nonsense...
 
snakestretcher said:
Your misplaced pride just won't allow you to concede that you're ever wrong. How sad-and dishonest. Then again you're a staunch supporter of the most dishonest so-called 'president' in US political history, so I guess if it's ok for him to lie and invent nonsense...
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Tell me, then.......what policies did BIDEN institute in November that stopped the flow of illegals that he didn't in 2021?

Oh, WAIT! I forgot. You don't live here and don't know.
 
Paradoxical said:
Tell me, then.......what policies did BIDEN institute in November that stopped the flow of illegals that he didn't in 2021?

Oh, WAIT! I forgot. You don't live here and don't know.
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See, there's this new-fangled thing called the 'internet' which we all, including you, use for our news and information. Doesn't matter where I live, so don't try that childish excuse. Oh, and didn't Biden order continued border wall construction? Why yes, yes he did...

www.vanityfair.com

Joe Biden, Who Promised Not to Resume Trump’s Border Wall, Is Doing Just That

The administration claimed that the move is “mandated by law.” But what about the dozens of other laws Biden is waiving to continue construction?
www.vanityfair.com www.vanityfair.com



Comments?
 
snakestretcher said:
See, there's this new-fangled thing called the 'internet' which we all, including you, use for our news and information. Doesn't matter where I live, so don't try that childish excuse. Oh, and didn't Biden order continued border wall construction? Why yes, yes he did...

www.vanityfair.com

Joe Biden, Who Promised Not to Resume Trump’s Border Wall, Is Doing Just That

The administration claimed that the move is “mandated by law.” But what about the dozens of other laws Biden is waiving to continue construction?
www.vanityfair.com www.vanityfair.com



Comments?
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I see three links but no excerpts. What excerpt are you hanging your hat on or betting your house is correct? I appreciate your cooperation of showing your best and final offer as they say in real estate. Do they have real estate agents where you live, or do you all get gubment housing?

Are Europeans aware that not only did Biden not build one inch of wall but tried to illegally sell the parts off? Since that is the case, how did Biden NOT building a wall curtail illeglas?
 
Paradoxical said:
I see three links but no excerpts. What excerpt are you hanging your hat on or betting your house is correct? I appreciate your cooperation of showing your best and final offer as they say in real estate. Do they have real estate agents where you live, or do you all get gubment housing?
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You don't get to demand excerpts; are you special, or something? Just pretend to yourself that because your ridiculous demands aren't being complied with, that you won your argument. There's a good chap.
 
snakestretcher said:
You don't get to demand excerpts; are you special, or something? Just pretend to yourself that because your ridiculous demands aren't being complied with, that you won your argument. There's a good chap.
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See post #705
 
Tigerace117 said:
Except I did.
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You know you didn’t. You cited wiki and got laughed at b
Tigerace117 said:
Soap box proved he did.
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You didn’t read his post 😂
Tigerace117 said:
The guy who saved him said he lied.

Multiple other individuals involved have said he lied.

He didn’t get the operation’s name right.

He didn’t get the Taliban force size right.

Squealing in fear because you can’t work up the spine to face that reality doesn’t change it.
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So you can’t prove he lied. Thank you.
 
rahl said:
You know you didn’t. You cited wiki and got laughed at b

You didn’t read his post 😂

So you can’t prove he lied. Thank you.
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I know you squealed in fear and ran from the facts, yes.

Uh.....he’s already indicated he agreed with my statement about his posts by “liking” them, so clearly you are just grasping at straws at this point.

He lied. He lied so much he came up with a story about Lt. Murphy holding a vote on whether to execute innocent civilians, something nobody else seems to find remotely credible.
 
Paradoxical said:
See post #705
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As a follow up, @snakestretcher posts three links to support his contention that actions taken by Biden led to decreased illegal immigration. The 3 links include a photo op of him walking with two border guards as if he is presidential and knows anything, which he didn't. He said he would build 20 miles of wall with big fanfare and later comments by experts that he has to ignore stupid environmental laws like the horned frogs and ants. All people saw, and especially those in Europe were these big headlines which were to dupe the masses all over the world in spite of Biden saying in 2021 that walls are inhumane and don't work and he would stop them.

So, the poster uses those three headlines to prove that the reduction in immigration was because of 20 miles of wall, when that was never done and to prove he would never do it and that Trump couldn't, he illegally auctioned off the valuable metal for less than scrap value to connected friends.

Biden was a liar and a criminal and various sanctuary cities told him to keep illegals coming for the cash they bring to the cities and government jobs created,
 
Tigerace117 said:
I know you squealed in fear and ran from the facts, yes.

Uh.....he’s already indicated he agreed with my statement about his posts by “liking” them, so clearly you are just grasping at straws at this point.

He lied. He lied so much he came up with a story about Lt. Murphy holding a vote on whether to execute innocent civilians, something nobody else seems to find remotely credible.
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So you can’t price he lied. Got it.
 
j brown's body said:
Most of this stuff is theatrical and may, or may not, effect the border on a day-to-day basis.

What we really need is new immigration policy.
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What we really need is to secure our borders and then have an immigration policy that is efficient, timely, and logical. And what we also need is a Supreme Court and lower courts that function, rather than the judge shopping paralysis and national injuctions that make any immigration and border control policy ineffective.
 
snakestretcher said:
You are clearly unaware (probably deliberately), that illegal border incursions fell under Biden, but rose under Trump. Why does this need constant repetition-or is your memory that short?

www.nytimes.com

Border Crossings Continue to Drop Before Trump’s Second Term

Illegal crossings at the U.S.-Mexico border in November fell to their lowest level of President Biden’s administration.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

www.latimes.com

Unlawful border crossings dropped to four-year low in November, new data show

In November, there were 46,610 migrants stopped at the U.S-Mexico border, the lowest number of apprehensions during the Biden administration.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com

On the other hand:


An Overwhelming Surge in Illegal Immigration is Worsening the Crisis at the Border – The White House

trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov
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You should clearly be even more aware that you are, like so many, disingenuous in the service of your prejudices. Part of this is due to your politics, but an equally large part of it is likely due to the news sources you rely on.

The NYT, the flagship of left of center "prestige" media finally admitted the truth. The elections being over, even in the wake of the NYT staff's woke revolution of 2022, had sufficient residual integrity to tell the truth after November of 2024.

“the immigration surge of the past few years has been the largest in US history”, and “the Biden administration’s policy appears to have been the biggest factor.” ...

  • “Even after taking into account today’s larger U.S. population, the recent surge is the most rapid since at least 1850.”
  • “About 60% of immigrants who have entered the country since 2021 have done so without legal authorization.”
  • “high levels of immigration do have downsides, including the pressure on social services and increased competition for jobs.”
  • “The scale of recent immigration helps explain why the issue has played a central role in American politics over the past few years.”
Comparing two weeks of the Trump administration to anything prior is absurd. For most of Biden's tenure he caused the greatest surge (proportionally) since 1850 - that alone suggests you ostrich stance of cherry-picked time periods is useless.

More on this later...
 
rahl said:
So you can’t price he lied. Got it.
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He lied. He lied so much he came up with a story about Lt. Murphy holding a vote on whether to execute innocent civilians, something nobody else seems to find remotely credible.

I already “priced” he lied repeatedly.
 
Tigerace117 said:
He lied. He lied so much he came up with a story about Lt. Murphy holding a vote on whether to execute innocent civilians, something nobody else seems to find remotely credible.

I already “priced” he lied repeatedly.
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So you can’t prove he lied. Got it.
 
rahl said:
So you can’t prove he lied. Got it.
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I did.....repeatedly.

Soap Box provided additional sources proving me right.

You’ve done nothing but flail and whine because you don’t want to face reality.
 
rahl said:
You cited wiki and got laughed at.

You didn’t read his posts 😂

So you can’t prove he lied. Thank you.
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And then Soap Box provided sources saying the same thing mine did....which even further trashes that narrative.

Uh..his points agree with mine.

Posting the same drivel over and over doesn’t make it any more true.
 
Tigerace117 said:
And then Soap Box provided sources saying the same thing mine did....which even further trashes that narrative.
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No he didn’t. You didn’t read his post lol.
Tigerace117 said:
Uh..his points agree with mine.

Posting the same drivel over and over doesn’t make it any more true.
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So you can’t prove he lied. Ok.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Gee, @soap box want to weight in on your post?

He lied, and did so extensively.

As I proved.
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Yes , The article was very specific about the differences between his original claim compared to the evidence that came later. I read that and checked a few claims and I can't support the idea that he told the truth entirely.

Let me continue,- I pushed the wrong button again
 
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Paradoxical said:
Soros and his son were regular visitors to the Rainbow House. He gave Soros a medal. We will never know who the players were behind Biden, but I believe Soros and Mini-Me were two of them. I think Obama and Blinken would be others. Biden never did work hard or accomplish anything at all as a Senator. They told him to just relax and sign whatever they put in front of him and read a monitor for a minute or so. He had no clue he signed an executive order about Natural Gas.
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Even if he knew what he was doing I am sure they made it clear to him that he does as he is told or end up like Trump. You saw how quickly the party made him into the their scape goat. Harris is next unless they cannot find a popular party puppet to be their next candidate.
 
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