Message to all fellow Liberals: Please support Terri Schiavo's right to live

[anomaly]

1. It appears vauge may have his doubts now about the husband's motives.
2. If you would bother to read posts thoroughly - you would see my response in post # 70 about your 'challenge.'

That was not a response to my challenge...I invented the whole challenge thing a while later...I still await your making the thread, any thread you choose, and we will finally be able to engage in an actual debate rather than this namecalling back and forth. Would you prefer that I made the first thread? That, of course, would mean that I'd get to pick a topic...if you want that fine, but for now I leave it open to you, it's your decision.

 

[Thor]

That was not a response to my challenge...I invented the whole challenge thing a while later...I still await your making the thread, any thread you choose, and we will finally be able to engage in an actual debate rather than this namecalling back and forth. Would you prefer that I made the first thread? That, of course, would mean that I'd get to pick a topic...if you want that fine, but for now I leave it open to you, it's your decision.

I don't mean to get between you two heavyweights but how about this thread. It's seems that you are both on different sides of the issue. Besides, its a worth while issue to discuss.

 

[Batman]

That was not a response to my challenge...I invented the whole challenge thing a while later...I still await your making the thread, any thread you choose, and we will finally be able to engage in an actual debate rather than this namecalling back and forth. Would you prefer that I made the first thread? That, of course, would mean that I'd get to pick a topic...if you want that fine, but for now I leave it open to you, it's your decision.

How much do you read before you start typing? You totally missed the points vauge has posted after reading info I linked. You can't even get the point that I can't debate with someone who has to have braindead explained to him when he continually misused the term. Topic for you - war in Iraq has everything to do with everything. I've read it - it's old. Go to bed, get some sleep, you need it so you can play "Breakfast Club" at school tomorrow.

 

[anomaly]

How much do you read before you start typing? You totally missed the points vauge has posted after reading info I linked. You can't even get the point that I can't debate with someone who has to have braindead explained to him when he continually misused the term. Topic for you - war in Iraq has everything to do with everything. I've read it - it's old. Go to bed, get some sleep, you need it so you can play "Breakfast Club" at school tomorrow.

Are you completely unwilling to debate with me? And you obviously haven't read many of my 500 and some posts if you think all I talk about is Iraq...hardly the case. I am simply asking you for a chance to debate, yet you refuse. Why? Because I made single mistake? In a topic that I am not entirely interested in (if you wnt to see the topic I am interested in go to economics)? Now I simply wish to debate you in a topic where logic is the chief concern rather than emotion (emotion is inevitably the pro-lifer's best defense). Now if you do not accept this time, it is then high time I simply ignore you. Perhaps that would be better for both of us. But, one last time, I ask you for the chance to have a real debate on any forum you choose. You seem to think I'm entirely stupid, yet you refuse to prove this fact, you refuse to defeat me in a debate. Who is stupid here, Batman? Again, I leave you with the option to start the debate one last time: make your thread.

 

[Batman]

Are you completely unwilling to debate with me? I am simply asking you for a chance to debate, yet you refuse. Why? Because I made single mistake? In a topic that I am not entirely interested in (if you wnt to see the topic I am interested in got to economics). Now I simply wish to debate you in a topic where logic is the chief concern rather than emotion (emotion is inevitably the pro-lifer's best defense). Now if you do not accept this time, it is then high time I simply ignore you. Perhaps that would be better for both of us. But, one last time, I ask you for the chance to have a real debate on any forum you choose. You seem to think I'm entirely stupid, yet you refuse to prove this fact, you refuse to defeat me in a debate. Who is stupid here, Batman? Again, I leave you with the option to start the debate one last time: make your thread.

Providing links to documented evidence that Terri's husband may have ulterior motives behind his actions - along with the fact that you only offer "Is her husband honest, as I think." (your reply in post #86) I feel I have 'defeated' you. (Your term)

Night night.

 

[anomaly]

Providing links to documented evidence that Terri's husband may have ulterior motives behind his actions - along with the fact that you only offer "Is her husband honest, as I think." (your reply in post #86) I feel I have 'defeated' you. (Your term)

Night night.

May have. Exactly. We do not know, and I stand by my word that no one can know except Mr. Schiavo. If we do find sufficient evidence (more evidence) that he is some twisted individual, then I suppose give Teri to her parents. It is a very complex issue, when you look into it. But, this is why I try to stay away from emotionally fueled issues such as this, here's not much evidence to support either position.

That being said, I'd hope you'd reconsider, Batman, and perhaps debate me in such a topic that is ot emotionally fueled like the war in Iraq or , better yet, capitalism (love that topic). But, I suppose you have already refused, so this is all in vain. I must say that you're not a very good person to debate with at all, and I suggest other leftists stay away from Batman0like emotional debaters. Emotional debaers will refuse to debate in meaningful subjects, but will be glad to debate when all they have to do is use their own morals. Perhaps it's high time I stay away from such emotional debates...

 

[Urethra Franklin]

If this is the case then we can just start killing alot of people who are well in body. Let's just kill all the poor that would solve alot of problems.

You're comparing apples with oranges.

The poor have many other options: like lets dump global capitaliism and smash US hegemony and we'll move some way to alleviate the suffering of the poor. This poor lady has no other option.

 

[Benji Duncan]

I'm a liberal and a Kevorkianite and I support Terri Schiavo's right to live.

I don't think knowing all the facts of her condition would even matter to me. It's the simple legal issue that she is not actively dying and she is not asking to die.

I recognize that by allowing her to live we are doing something horrible, just as by killing her we are doing something horrible. But as I often say, a nation that respects human rights often has to put up with some unsettling things. It's all part of it.

 

[Thor]

May have. Exactly. We do not know, and I stand by my word that no one can know except Mr. Schiavo. If we do find sufficient evidence (more evidence) that he is some twisted individual, then I suppose give Teri to her parents. It is a very complex issue, when you look into it. But, this is why I try to stay away from emotionally fueled issues such as this, here's not much evidence to support either position.

That being said, I'd hope you'd reconsider, Batman, and perhaps debate me in such a topic that is ot emotionally fueled like the war in Iraq or , better yet, capitalism (love that topic). But, I suppose you have already refused, so this is all in vain. I must say that you're not a very good person to debate with at all, and I suggest other leftists stay away from Batman0like emotional debaters. Emotional debaers will refuse to debate in meaningful subjects, but will be glad to debate when all they have to do is use their own morals. Perhaps it's high time I stay away from such emotional debates...

Emotions and passion are not a bad thing. On the contrary, how can you not debate a issue if you don't have a passion for it. You apparently have a passion about economics so going by your rules of engagement no one should debate with you because of this passion.

 

[Thor]

Apparently, it is over and Terri will be Murdered.

I believe that everyone involved with this lady dying has blood on their hands. Before you comment on this I suggest you go to the article that Batman posted. Unless you do I prefer not to hear from you.

Once again, our nations innocent will die.

 

[Batman]

This poor lady has no other option.

Based on diagnosis made without an MRI or a PET (Positron Emission Tomography) which scans to diagnose the extent of brain injuries, that most neurologists would consider standard for diagnosing 'persistent vegetative state.'

It may be too emotion driven to perform those tests.

 

[argexpat]

Actually, this should read, "Please Support Terri Schiavo's right to be kept alive by artificial means while in a persistent vegetative state in contradiction to the wishes of her legal guardian, who is supported by years of court investigations and rulings, not to mention 200 years of legal precedent regarding the separation of powers between the federal government and the states, so that a few craven, hypocritical Republicans in Congress can score political points by painting anyone who disagrees with them (namely Democrats) as murderers and torturers while meddling in the private affairs of citizens."

I can't support that.

 

[Batman]

Ironic:

Police have arrested a Franklin woman on charges that she neglected her 14-month-old son by failing to feed him properly through a feeding tube.

Janine Nicole Longo, 19, of Franklin was taken into custody Friday after being indicted on two counts of child neglect. Prosecutors presented evidence against Longo to a Williamson County grand jury on March 14. The grand jury indicted her on counts of child neglect and attempted aggravated child neglect.
''After the surgery he had a feeding tube and was to be fed a certain amount of a specific formula for a certain number of hours each day,'' Johnson said. ''For a period of time, he was not fed by the tube at all.''
SOURCE

Do you think this woman just could not bear seeing her son on "life support" or "artificial means" any longer? Since the court (according to some) deems this life support, who here will start a crusade to have this woman cleared?
Of course I say this at the risk of some picking up their toys and threatening to leave the sandbox.

 

[gypsy0032]

Schiavo has severe brain damage. She will NEVER recover. She will never climb out of that bed of her own volition. And I hate to seem cold hearted, but who is responsible for the medical expenses? That would be her husband, not her parents. This is simply a case of the parents refusing to let go. I would never want to "live" in such a condition, or put my family in such a financial burden by doing so.

 

[gypsy0032]

Ironic:

Do you think this woman just could not bear seeing her son on "life support" or "artificial means" any longer? Since the court (according to some) deems this life support, who here will start a crusade to have this woman cleared?
Of course I say this at the risk of some picking up their toys and threatening to leave the sandbox.

Sorry, but you are making a really bad analogy. Was the child suffering from severe brain damage? Or is the child expected to live a normal life after recovery?

 

[gypsy0032]

Actually, this should read, "Please Support Terri Schiavo's right to be kept alive by artificial means while in a persistent vegetative state in contradiction to the wishes of her legal guardian, who is supported by years of court investigations and rulings, not to mention 200 years of legal precedent regarding the separation of powers between the federal government and the states, so that a few craven, hypocritical Republicans in Congress can score political points by painting anyone who disagrees with them (namely Democrats) as murderers and torturers while meddling in the private affairs of citizens."

I can't support that.

Bush is the one who signed the bill making this a federal issue.

 

[Batman]

Sorry, but you are making a really bad analogy

Really? Well whoever said this on the rep point system - Thank You.

03-22-2005 11:25 AM I gotta hand it you yah - excellent analogy

 

[Batman]

And I hate to seem cold hearted, but who is responsible for the medical expenses? That would be her husband, not her parents.

Obviously you speak without knowing the facts. Her parents have offered to mortgage their home to pay for expenses if her 'husband' would let them become guardian. Typical though. So much info provided in earlier posts, yet you don't see it.

 

[Thor]

Schiavo has severe brain damage. She will NEVER recover. She will never climb out of that bed of her own volition. And I hate to seem cold hearted, but who is responsible for the medical expenses? That would be her husband, not her parents. This is simply a case of the parents refusing to let go. I would never want to "live" in such a condition, or put my family in such a financial burden by doing so.

So, once again its a question of once productivity. If you are not productive, as society dictates productivity, you need to die. Is that it? This lady is NOT on life support. She breaths on her own.

The money is not an issue. The parents have begged to have the responsbility for her as well as the expense.

This is about Michael saving face in the publics eye.

Please, I beg everyone to read the article that was posted by Batman in regards to the three nurses that took care of Terri.

 

[Batman]

More Info:
She collapsed in 1990 - Yet her 'wishes' were not told by Michael Schiavo for over 7 years.

Mr. Schiavo first petitioned the court in 1998 to have Terri's feeding tube removed so she would die. He claimed that his wife told him before her collapse that she would not have wanted to live by artificial means.
Terri's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, have been fighting Mr. Schiavo in the courts to keep their daughter alive. They believe Terri is responsive and interacts with her surroundings and would benefit from therapies that her husband has refused to allow. The Schindlers do not accept Mr. Schiavo's claims that Terri would have wanted to die in her situation, partly because that would have meant that she would have gone against her Catholic faith which teaches that removing her feeding tube would be wrong.

Bush's attorneys are pushing for a jury trial to look at what Terri's wishes would be today, and to answer at least nine questions which linger regarding Mr. Schiavo's ability to represent his wife's best interests. Two of those questions have to do with the fact that Mr. Schiavo did not mention what he now claims were Terri's wishes during a 1992 malpractice suit, at the same time that he presented evidence regarding the cost of a life-long care plan. That malpractice trial brought more than $700,000 for Terri's care during her natural life, which medical experts agreed could last several decades.
SOURCE

 

[Squawker]

For the relief of the parents of Theresa Marie Schiavo - Vote Passed (203-58, 174 Not Voting)

The House gave final approval to this bill allowing the parents of a brain-damaged woman to ask a federal court to determine whether or not her feeding tube may be removed.

I haven't checked to see who didn't vote, but some at least tried to give her a chance to live. It doesn't look good at this stage.

 

[Batman]

More info:
Were broken bones ever explained?

The parents and siblings have repeatedly offered to media and press a copy of a bone scan conducted on Terri Schiavo just one year after her incident that reveals multiple sites of trauma and broken bones throughout Terri's body. Neither the law enforcement agencies nor the media or press have made any effort to investigate why Terri Schiavo's body was seemingly broken by battery.SOURCE

 

[26 X World Champs]

Bill Frist has spoke to one of the doctor's who says she could make improvement with therapy.

BILL FRIST! He's the genius Republican doctor who publicly stated on "THIS WEEK" that people can get AIDS from sweat or tears! His creditability as a doctor is equal to Dr. Seuss!

 

[ShamMol]

BILL FRIST! He's the genius Republican doctor who publicly stated on "THIS WEEK" that people can get AIDS from sweat or tears! His creditability as a doctor is equal to Dr. Seuss!

he made a simple mistake...but i want to pose a question, is anyone worried that the party who usually champions states' rights has in the past year taken a lot of that power away whenever they really felt like it...i mean to say, this case is just another example of that. does that disturb anyone that state jurisdiction was so blatantly taken away from a state matter (and the result was the same).

 

[Squawker]

but i want to pose a question, is anyone worried that the party who usually champions states' rights has in the past year taken a lot of that power away whenever they really felt like it...

I see it as taking the right to govern back from the Judiciary. There are too many questions that need to be answered in this case to allow one Judge to decide.