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McConnell, in Private, Doubts if Trump Can Save Presidency

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Quazimodo said:
So, if I ask you for accomplishments again, can I safely assume you will dodge me again? This will make the third request, but I guess you already know that.
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what has he accomplished besides Gorsuch? What legislation has he gotten through congress? Certainly not the AHCA or repeal and replace. What Trump has accomplished has been with the pen and the phone. That's okay with me, we have way too many laws on the books now. What Trump has accomplished is to get almost everyone peeved at him except for the avid Trump supporters.
 
It would seem that McConnell doubts anything can ever get done.
 
Perotista said:
Trump isn't going to change. Perhaps, among many other things is that Trump doesn't understand how the American political system works. As a CEO and reality TV host, he can be as obnoxious as he wants, he can bully and dictate and have everyone say, Yes sir, yes sir, three bags full sir. People or most anyway, expect a certain decorum from their president. Trump grates on people, he rubs them the wrong way. When people decide they don't like him, it isn't going to matter what he does, accomplishes or anything else.

Trump will be that obnoxious twitter feeder which occupies the White House.
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Unfortunately, I haven't seen capacity for growth or change from him. Most people when they make mistakes, acknowledge an error or flaw within themselves and change their behavior, make better decisions, etc. With Trump, it's everyone else's fault and he's getting a bad wrap because of unfavorable media coverage. When's the last time you ever heard Trump take personal responsibility for something?
 
dyb773flop said:
Yeah, just as I figured...you're hung up on Obama so since I don't like Trump I must be a blind Obama supporter...a leftist...a Damnocrap

Your hatred of Obama is a lame reason to blindly support someone such as Trump.

Appears that you've got your head so far in the clouds that you don't even stumble over the truth but feel free to post numbers, quotes,
etcetera and don't forget to provide the links.

I'm glad to hear raising the debt ceiling is no longer on the table with the debt being on the decline and all.
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No, I am hung up on results, something Obama generated but negatively and you don't understand

My head is in reality where yours is I have no idea. Raising the debt ceiling isn't the issue, the actual debt is and it is lower than when Trump took office as Trump is spending the Obama budget and has proposed less of a budget than Obama, when was the last time that happened?

I don't hate Obama, I like the guy but not his results and results matter. The Obama resume told what kind of results he would generate and that is accurate
 
JANFU said:
Seems that WashPo and the Grey lady have broke a number of stories that were later found to be well grounded in fact.
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And they've never broke a story on Iraq, Ukraine, Syria, or Panama, among others that was grounded in fact.
Their political stories are the mouthpiece of the NeoCon, warmonger agenda. End of story.
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Quazimodo said:
Respectfully, your remark regarding "Attacking McCain......" is not accurate. Trump has a very effective and successful "Bully Pulpit." His base will give him the support he needs at the congressional level in upcoming elections. As I mentioned earlier, the GOP is fundraising at twice the rate of any of its nearest competitors. We will take seats in 2018. With seats, we will achieve our goals. We will then add another conservative member to the Supreme Court. Liberals, commies, socialists, fascists are on the wrong side of history. If you think the Justice Department under Jeff Sessions is goofing off, then you are not the savvy political mind that you think you are. Be patient, Trump is really your worst nightmare. He is going to save America.
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Enough said.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html
 
Winston said:
Unfortunately, I haven't seen capacity for growth or change from him. Most people when they make mistakes, acknowledge an error or flaw within themselves and change their behavior, make better decisions, etc. With Trump, it's everyone else's fault and he's getting a bad wrap because of unfavorable media coverage. When's the last time you ever heard Trump take personal responsibility for something?
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I never heard Trump take responsibility, I never heard Obama either that I can remember. Neither were a Harry S. Truman. But Obama had a calm disposition and didn't go out of his way to make enemies.
 
Conservative said:
No, I am hung up on results, something Obama generated but negatively and you don't understand

My head is in reality where yours is I have no idea. Raising the debt ceiling isn't the issue, the actual debt is and it is lower than when Trump took office as Trump is spending the Obama budget and has proposed less of a budget than Obama, when was the last time that happened?

I don't hate Obama, I like the guy but not his results and results matter. The Obama resume told what kind of results he would generate and that is accurate
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You claimed "you continue to buy rhetoric and ignore those results like you did for the past 8 years." and now you claim you don't know where my head is at...make up your mind.
You continue to make unsubstantiated claims...no links...in other words just word games...happy trolls to you.
 
Quazimodo said:
Respectfully, your remark regarding "Attacking McCain......" is not accurate. Trump has a very effective and successful "Bully Pulpit." His base will give him the support he needs at the congressional level in upcoming elections. As I mentioned earlier, the GOP is fundraising at twice the rate of any of its nearest competitors. We will take seats in 2018. With seats, we will achieve our goals. We will then add another conservative member to the Supreme Court. Liberals, commies, socialists, fascists are on the wrong side of history. If you think the Justice Department under Jeff Sessions is goofing off, then you are not the savvy political mind that you think you are. Be patient, Trump is really your worst nightmare. He is going to save America.
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He hasn't effectively used the bully pulpit. His predecessor, fairly ineffective in reaching bi-partisan consensus, was incredibly more effective than Trump.

The GOP taking seats was expected had Clinton won. Although the map hasn't changed, the chances of increasing their share have diminished significantly. So, at best, what positive value did Trump bring to that map? The answer is "none."

The Justice Department, just like the HHS, isn't goofing off, but it is certainly prioritizing issues and remedies that are going to harm Republican state priorities, including with criminal justice reform.


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dyb773flop said:
You claimed "you continue to buy rhetoric and ignore those results like you did for the past 8 years." and now you claim you don't know where my head is at...make up your mind.
You continue to make unsubstantiated claims...no links...in other words just word games...happy trolls to you.
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I have been in this forum for 8 years and provide link after link only to be ignored. You want the data, go to bea.gov, for economic growth and revenue/expenses, BLS for labor, employment, unemployment, and Treasury for deficits and debt. Come back when you can find any of those better than what Trump has generated in a very short period of time.

Results matter, not rhetoric. I personally don't like Trump but couldn't care less about his personality only about his results and right now I am getting exactly what I voted for
 
Conservative said:
I have been in this forum for 8 years and provide link after link only to be ignored. You want the data, go to bea.gov, for economic growth and revenue/expenses, BLS for labor, employment, unemployment, and Treasury for deficits and debt. Come back when you can find any of those better than what Trump has generated in a very short period of time.

Results matter, not rhetoric. I personally don't like Trump but couldn't care less about his personality only about his results and right now I am getting exactly what I voted for
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"Oh hey guys, I'm pleased to announce the latest U2 album won't change its sound. We've been bland since the early 1990s, and we're proud of it."


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Fiddytree said:
He hasn't effectively used the bully pulpit. His predecessor, fairly ineffective in reaching bi-partisan consensus, was incredibly more effective than Trump.

The GOP taking seats was expected had Clinton won. Although the map hasn't changed, the chances of increasing their share have diminished significantly. So, at best, what positive value did Trump bring to that map? The answer is "none."

The Justice Department, just like the HHS, isn't goofing off, but it is certainly prioritizing issues and remedies that are going to harm Republican state priorities, including with criminal justice reform.


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You make exceptionally good points.

During the campaign, I recall that little serious attention was given to the now famous Trump rallies. They weren't considered significant by the pundits or the punch-media. As it turns out, the rallies dramatically energized a large group of voters in states Trump needed to win. I think we run the risk of attaching too much importance to the opinions of a few left leaning publications. Why? Because Trump's base doesn't have time to read what is now viewed as False News, and they have no interest in watching liars on TV.

Let's follow the event tonight in Arizona and measure the outcomes in 2018. Other models will follow. If I am a Trump fan and he sends me a tweet that calls a guy like Flake a "flake," I'll laugh and remember that long after I have forgotten anything Jeff Flake ever says. Let's see. It is often a tragic mistake to underestimate an enemy.
 
JANFU said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/...st-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news


Can he smell Mueller getting closer?
Man what a mess he has made.
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A couple of thoughts about this article:

1. Seems to me McConnell is worried. Worried that he might lose his Majority Leader job. Worried that some of his GOP Elite buddies could lose next year. Worried that he and his GOP Elites are under the gun from the Republican base. All of this is bad, from his point of view...so bad that he now has to take an active part in spinning **** to make Trump look bad. So bad that he has to enter the sunlight instead of hanging back in the shadows.

2. "...according to Republicans briefed on the conversation." Hmmm...what happened? It used to be "according to WH officials". Could it be that Trump has finally dried up the WH leaks? I'm thinking those "Republicans" are from McConnell's office...not from the WH. In that case, this would be the word of the McConnell people...one interpretation of this phone call. Frankly, I don't give them much credibility.
 
Fiddytree said:
"Oh hey guys, I'm pleased to announce the latest U2 album won't change its sound. We've been bland since the early 1990s, and we're proud of it."


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How about something specific for a reason why you hate Trump for his personality doesn't matter as much as the results generated which you're ignoring.

You and far too many put way too much emphasis on perception while ignoring reality. Trump took an economy that was generating growth at 1.5%, a U6 rate of 9.4% and a 19.9 trillion-dollar debt. We have in a world on fire with terrorist attacks, Washington politicians running our military, no respect by our allies and what do you want more of the same.

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Conservative said:
I have been in this forum for 8 years and provide link after link only to be ignored. You want the data, go to bea.gov, for economic growth and revenue/expenses, BLS for labor, employment, unemployment, and Treasury for deficits and debt. Come back when you can find any of those better than what Trump has generated in a very short period of time.

Results matter, not rhetoric. I personally don't like Trump but couldn't care less about his personality only about his results and right now I am getting exactly what I voted for
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Well, I've only been here a few days but I'm a bit old school and come from forums where it was on the person who makes the claim to provide the evidence with links.

If you've been providing links for years it should be easy for you to do so now and substantiate your claims.
 
dyb773flop said:
Well, I've only been here a few days but I'm a bit old school and come from forums where it was on the person who makes the claim to provide the evidence with links.

If you've been providing links for years it should be easy for you to do so now and substantiate your claims.
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Ok, for the benefit of doubt,

https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ln

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2015

https://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9&step=1#reqid=9&step=1&isuri=1

You are going to find that coming off what the left called the worst recession since the Great Depression, Obama's results were the worst ever from a major recession never having one year of 3% Growth. He set records for discouraged workers, part time for economic reason employment, and had more debt than Reagan, GHW and GW Bush combined. Those are results that matter
 
Perotista said:
Gorsuch is fine with me. It isn't so much Trump's policies that are getting him in trouble, it is Trump himself. His persona, his character. His constant need to throw temper tantrums visa twitter like a five old who hasn't been taught any manners over every little bad thing that might be said about Trump. In fact 65% of all those who dislike Trump cite his character.

Trump Disapproval Rooted in Character Concerns | Gallup

We basically have a name calling 4th grade schoolyard bully as president. Trump is trying to bully his way through congress and America and most Americans don't like that. They expect a president to at least act a bit presidential.
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I told you all this before the man won the nomination. He is 70, and not going to change. His narcisstic personality disorder will be what damages his credibility, oh wait, he has no credibility due to his daily struggle with the truth.
 
Conservative said:
OMG, what a mess the RADICAL left is trying to make, this is total and complete BS and one has to wonder why? What exactly has Trump done to create this kind of hatred on the part of the left?
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Last time we checked, almost 60% of the electorate disapproved of Trump*. The radical left may comprise 10-15%, so what they think is pretty irrelevant. It seems that the other 45% are left, middle of the road and conservatives. The one thing America seems to agree upon is that Trump isn't doing the job. There is some serious buyer's remorse going on.
 
upsideguy said:
Last time we checked, almost 60% of the electorate disapproved of Trump*. The radical left may comprise 10-15%, so what they think is pretty irrelevant. It seems that the other 45% are left, middle of the road and conservatives. The one thing America seems to agree upon is that Trump isn't doing the job. There is some serious buyer's remorse going on.
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The last polls I saw said Hillary would win the election. Really don't give a damn about polls but care more about results and the American people will always vote their pocketbooks, they did in 2008 and again in 2016. One of these days you radicals are going to understand that

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Fenton Lum said:
Don was always going to be a disaster of his own accord with or without Mueller. The tragedy is that Jared never got an opportunity to bring peace to the middle east.
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I have never seen a new Pres squander his mandate so fast, zero legislative victories, multiple investigations, and a sly endorsement of the KKK. All this in only 7 months, strap in, its going to be a long 4 years.
 
Quazimodo said:
Would you then be kind enough to list a few more accomplishments of this president and his administration. What is your opinion of Judge Gorsuch? Would you rather have a heavily liberal Supreme Court.
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Im hoping Trump gets to fill 3 or 4 more seats before his term is done.

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