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Maybe we are the advanced life forms.

DashingAmerican

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A lot of people are waiting to be visited by an alien life form that is vastly more advanced than us. Though, assuming that other planets that support life evolved the way that Earth did, why is it so unheard of for US to be the advanced life form that discovers and studies the aliens?
 
A lot of people are waiting to be visited by an alien life form that is vastly more advanced than us. Though, assuming that other planets that support life evolved the way that Earth did, why is it so unheard of for US to be the advanced life form that discovers and studies the aliens?

Like Pandora in Avatar? I think it's safe to say that the species that does the "discovering" is probably going to be the more advanced.
 
Like Pandora in Avatar? I think it's safe to say that the species that does the "discovering" is probably going to be the more advanced.
I agree. That's not the point I was trying to make. I was merely making the point that it's odd that people are more inclined to think that we will be the one that is going to be "discovered."
 
I agree. That's not the point I was trying to make. I was merely making the point that it's odd that people are more inclined to think that we will be the one that is going to be "discovered."

I think that it stems from fear and insecurity, which I would argue are inherent to the human race in general.
 
Hmm. Interesting thought.
 
A lot of people are waiting to be visited by an alien life form that is vastly more advanced than us. Though, assuming that other planets that support life evolved the way that Earth did, why is it so unheard of for US to be the advanced life form that discovers and studies the aliens?

Well, two things.

One, we don't have a space program that is capable of reaching any other planet that might support life or launching any project to search for intelligent life beyond scanning for radio signals.

Two, statistics. If you compare the evolution of intelligent life on Earth to the total age of the Earth and then to the total age of the Universe, statistically speaking any other intelligent life that exists is almost certain-- to 99.9 repeating percent-- to be millions of years older than us. They will have had thousands of times more sociological and technological development than us, regardless of whether or not they have developed along similar lines.
 
If you compare the evolution of intelligent life on Earth to the total age of the Earth and then to the total age of the Universe, statistically speaking any other intelligent life that exists is almost certain-- to 99.9 repeating percent-- to be millions of years older than us.

Quoted for truth. The universe is 14 billion years old. Homo sapiens have been around, what, 250,000 years? It's incredibly more likely that most other intelligent species that exist elsewhere in the universe emerged sometime in the 13,999,750,000 years before we showed up than in the 250,000 years since we've been around. Even if they evolved, say, 100,000 years before us, they would be technologically so far beyond us it's impossible to imagine. More likely, they're probably hundreds of millions or billions of years ahead of us.
 
Folks need to give up wanting and waiting to be visted as they will visit if they wish. And.. Do you really think the U.S.A.gov. is not studing all this stuff? I would not doubt our gov. has some aliens in labs right now. They will not talk about as they do not wish to cause a public panic. And they wish to gain info. from them and stuff.
 
well since all of us probably wont live to see us travel outside of our solar system, and it is our natural curiousness to know what is out there, the only explanation that any of us will get any sort of answers is for some other race to discover us.
 
Quoted for truth. The universe is 14 billion years old. Homo sapiens have been around, what, 250,000 years? It's incredibly more likely that most other intelligent species that exist elsewhere in the universe emerged sometime in the 13,999,750,000 years before we showed up than in the 250,000 years since we've been around. Even if they evolved, say, 100,000 years before us, they would be technologically so far beyond us it's impossible to imagine. More likely, they're probably hundreds of millions or billions of years ahead of us.

I really don't buy the dated universe theory. Just how in the hell are you gonna date something that when you can't even get out of your own galaxy?
 
I really don't buy the dated universe theory. Just how in the hell are you gonna date something that when you can't even get out of your own galaxy?

The way I understand it is they can date the microwave particles or some such thing and can identify and differentiate particles that are left over from the big bang. :shrug:

I think it's 50% guessing (theory) and 50% wishful thinking and we really won't have a definitive answer until (if) we actually get out there and physically test and verify. But it makes for good science shows on TV.
 
I really don't buy the dated universe theory. Just how in the hell are you gonna date something that when you can't even get out of your own galaxy?

The way I understand it is they can date the microwave particles or some such thing and can identify and differentiate particles that are left over from the big bang. :shrug:

I think it's 50% guessing (theory) and 50% wishful thinking and we really won't have a definitive answer until (if) we actually get out there and physically test and verify. But it makes for good science shows on TV.

Astronomers date the age of the universe through observation about how fast the universe is expanding, and making calculations usuing what we know about the speed of light, etc. I agree there probably isn't definitive answer though.
 
If we are the most advanced and intelligent beings in the universe, then the universe is in a ****load of trouble.
 
I really don't buy the dated universe theory. Just how in the hell are you gonna date something that when you can't even get out of your own galaxy?

You measure how fast the universe is expanding (using measurements taken by looking at the stars with telescopes, for example). Then you just work backwards to see how long ago it must have been when everything was smushed together.
 
Actually, there are wildly varying theories on the possibility of life on other worlds and how it gets to that point.

Some interesting science:

Most early stars were too deficient in heavier elements (ie heavier than helium) to be likely to produce planets with the chemical composition to support life-as-we-know-it.... or even life-as-we-can-concieve of it.

So sapient alien societies billions of years older than our own, is rather improbable.

Many older stars are red dwarfs, type M. Most scientists think life-bearing planets around M-type stars improbable; the planet would have to be very close in orbit, would be tide-locked, etc... lots of complications. Orange K's are a better bet, but still they have smaller lifezones and substantial chance of tide-locking of planets in that zone.

G-type stars like our own, a bit on the middle-aged side, are actually the best bets for planets with life-as-we-know-it. So now this begs the question... how likely is it that life on some other planet evolved earlier than ours, given stars around the same age? Well, who can say... G-type stars of the same Population could be a billion or more years older or younger... various factors could cause advanced life to evolve faster or more slowly than ours (stipulating evolution without necessarily accepting it).

What about technological development? We allegedly went (depending on what homo-whateverus you want to stipulate as the beginning of humanity) tens of thousands of years or more with hardly any tech development at all. Theoretically an alien sapient could be a million years older than our species and still be making stone axes... or thousands of years younger but still be more advanced.

Or perhaps they decided, a million years ago, that they preferred stability to progress. (There have been human societies that made that choice... China and Japan come to mind...) In which case they might not be quite so astoundingly advanced comparatively Or perhaps they suffered repeated societal collapses for millions of years before learning to escape their solar system (ie The Mote in God's Eye, Niven/Pournelle).

They might be more advanced than us in physics, but not so much in computers and less advanced in biotechnology... perhaps they have a taboo against it, or outlawed it after some kind of disaster.



Thing is, we have no idea. It's all speculation. If aliens showed up tomorrow they might be some sort of benevolent and serene super-advanced Hoobajoos who want to play Pied Piper and lead us to peace and prosperity for all. :lol:

Or they might be lassiez-faire capitalist magpies who want to trade the contents of the Louvre and the Smithsonian in return for interstellar equivalent of a handful of beads. :lamo

We have no way of knowing... but that doesn't stop us from speculating wildly and making any number of unwarranted assumptions. :)
 
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