Mass shootings aren't hoaxes/false flags. Prove me wrong.

[JasperL]

I'm talking about Parkland here, and sorry if you were confused. Because Halbig was employed by Parkland, it was relevant to bring him up. If you examine his credentials, you will see he has been active in law enforcement and school security for many years.

The announcement I mentioned was at Parkland.

The only announcement at SH was the sign in front of the nearby fire station advising "all participants" to "check in".

As to your point, do you suppose that "thousands of ordinary people" could be deceived?

Do I think parents were deceived about where they dropped their kids off to school every day? No, that would be a stupid idea. Do I think parents would be "deceived" about whether their kid died, that family and friends would be deceived about attending funerals for kids who didn't exist or weren't dead? No. Do I think the MANY people who would know some of the high profile parents of dead kids were 'deceived' about whether those parents even had kids or whether they were dead (e.g. that's Josh, he's a gay actor in NYC. LOLOL!!)? No. Do I think funeral directors would be confused whether they prepared a dead kid for cremation or burial? No.

 

[Thoreau72]

Do I think parents were deceived about where they dropped their kids off to school every day? No, that would be a stupid idea. Do I think parents would be "deceived" about whether their kid died, that family and friends would be deceived about attending funerals for kids who didn't exist or weren't dead? No. Do I think the MANY people who would know some of the high profile parents of dead kids were 'deceived' about whether those parents even had kids or whether they were dead (e.g. that's Josh, he's a gay actor in NYC. LOLOL!!)? No. Do I think funeral directors would be confused whether they prepared a dead kid for cremation or burial? No.

That's all nice to know, but it's really just speculation that is not relevant.

The facts are that as happens so frequently, the facts of any given case often work against the official narrative. Parkland and SH both fall into that category.

Even amongst close friends, the principal of Parkland will not talk about the case.

 

[Quag]

That's all nice to know, but it's really just speculation that is not relevant.

The facts are that as happens so frequently, the facts of any given case often work against the official narrative. Parkland and SH both fall into that category.

Even amongst close friends, the principal of Parkland will not talk about the case.

All you have is specualtion base don nothing but your fear and hatred of the ebil govt.

 

[JasperL]

That's all nice to know, but it's really just speculation that is not relevant.

LOL, that your CT requires hundreds OR thousands of ordinary Americans across all walks of life to lie about the biggest hoax in U.S. history, for YEARS, is not relevant..... I see.

The facts are that as happens so frequently, the facts of any given case often work against the official narrative. Parkland and SH both fall into that category.

Even amongst close friends, the principal of Parkland will not talk about the case.

Oh, well, the principle not wanting to discuss a horrific tragedy that could easily have left him with PTSD is totally, totally damning because it's so.....not unusual. And how the **** do you know who's a close friend of that person, or what and who he talks about the shooting with?

 

[Maccabee]

I'm talking about Parkland here, and sorry if you were confused. Because Halbig was employed by Parkland, it was relevant to bring him up. If you examine his credentials, you will see he has been active in law enforcement and school security for many years.

He spent one year as a FHP and did a part time stint with Customs. During his year with FHP he made many claims that are questionable at best. During his part time stint, he sold fake bomb detectors that were little more than divining rods.

The announcement I mentioned was at Parkland.

The only announcement at SH was the sign in front of the nearby fire station advising "all participants" to "check in".

Link please.

As to your point, do you suppose that "thousands of ordinary people" could be deceived?

Yes, but in order to pull off that the kids were going to a different school, the parents have to be involved. And really, even if somehow NO parent ever visited the school, you still have to explain how come NONE of kids ever talked about it to their parents.

 

[Quag]

He spent one year as a FHP and did a part time stint with Customs. During his year with FHP he made many claims that are questionable at best. During his part time stint, he sold fake bomb detectors that were little more than divining rods.


Link please.


Yes, but in order to pull off that the kids were going to a different school, the parents have to be involved. And really, even if somehow NO parent ever visited the school, you still have to explain how come NONE of kids ever talked about it to their parents.

He doesn't do links

 

[Lursa]

Will you explain your source for hundreds of thousands of parents?

Please note that I never wrote hundreds OF thousands. I wrote hundreds OR thousands...I dont know the number of kids in SH school. Double that number.

 

[Lursa]

No, actually at first I believed the story. You may not understand, but I do tend to accept official narratives at first. My trouble is I think like an investigator.

I believed this official narrative at first because I have 2 friends who live near the school and who know the principal.

Because I think like an investigator, and because I do watch the news and see how police respond to the somewhat new phenomenon of cameras everywhere, and because I watched an interview with the school security consultant and discovered there were 20+ security cameras in the school, I'm curious as to why there are no pictures, not one from 20+ cameras, of Cruz doing what they said he did. Especially considering that 2 staff members saw and described the shooters, I'm really curious as to why 20+ cameras did not capture a single frame that would corroborate the official story.

That 1 of those teachers said that there had been a public announcement that morning advising of a "training exercise" that day, including the firing of blanks and a lot of screaming and shouting, the element of training exercise so common to other such events stands out. Call me Columbo. :mrgreen:

So, then how hard would it be for an investigator to investigate a great number of the parents of the kids that went to SH school that year and find out where they were dropping their kids off everyday, if it was where the shooting took place, and 'as an investigator', making educated guesses on their truthfulness? As if hundreds of individual parents would pull that off...same consistent story...under pressure?

The fact that you have yet to critically examine this one simple, single question into the shooting tells me that your investigative skills are heavily limited by bias. It leaves more questions unanswered than answered...yet as an 'investigator,' you said you accept it.

 

[Lursa]

LOL, that your CT requires hundreds OR thousands of ordinary Americans across all walks of life to lie about the biggest hoax in U.S. history, for YEARS, is not relevant..... I see.

And apparently the govt does this "all the time". All these shootings and other events they claim, ending up with literally 10s of thousands of these average Americans walking the streets, with the govt 'depending' on their coercion and silence :doh

 

[Quag]

Please note that I never wrote hundreds OF thousands. I wrote hundreds OR thousands...I dont know the number of kids in SH school. Double that number.

More than double, they can have older siblings, aunts, uncles grandparents family friends etc etc... all of whom would have to be in on it as well

 

[Thoreau72]

So, then how hard would it be for an investigator to investigate a great number of the parents of the kids that went to SH school that year and find out where they were dropping their kids off everyday, if it was where the shooting took place, and 'as an investigator', making educated guesses on their truthfulness? As if hundreds of individual parents would pull that off...same consistent story...under pressure?

The fact that you have yet to critically examine this one simple, single question into the shooting tells me that your investigative skills are heavily limited by bias. It leaves more questions unanswered than answered...yet as an 'investigator,' you said you accept it.

Well you're right that investigating where the parents dropped their kids off could be a great idea. Given the number of dead ends on identification attempts, like the man who brought suit (likely under a false name) against Halbig and then never showed up for his court date, that might be really tough.

In fact, it's much easier to examine public records and the pictures proffered by the authorities. Some have done that, and the results suggest fraud in several ways, but you would likely NOT be interested in those things already found.

You're more interested in your own little emotional query "but where did the parents drop their kids?"

You are NOT interested in discussing why the internet had not been hooked up there, why the parking lot had ancient markings, why there was a sign advising participants to check in, why close examination of photographs show some of the group photos to have been taken at the wrong time of the year, and other facts. No, that does not interest you in the least.

To me, those are the interesting facts, the ones that make the official story highly suspicious and impossible.

 

[Lursa]

Well you're right that investigating where the parents dropped their kids off could be a great idea. Given the number of dead ends on identification attempts, like the man who brought suit (likely under a false name) against Halbig and then never showed up for his court date, that might be really tough.

In fact, it's much easier to examine public records and the pictures proffered by the authorities. Some have done that, and the results suggest fraud in several ways, but you would likely NOT be interested in those things already found.

You're more interested in your own little emotional query "but where did the parents drop their kids?"

You are NOT interested in discussing why the internet had not been hooked up there, why the parking lot had ancient markings, why there was a sign advising participants to check in, why close examination of photographs show some of the group photos to have been taken at the wrong time of the year, and other facts. No, that does not interest you in the least.

To me, those are the interesting facts, the ones that make the official story highly suspicious and impossible.

See the bold: yes I am. Because that could prove the CT conclusively.

As such, why do you choose to cling to one-off oddities? That's merely confirmation bias, not 'good investigative work.'

 

[Thoreau72]

See the bold: yes I am. Because that could prove the CT conclusively.

As such, why do you choose to cling to one-off oddities? That's merely confirmation bias, not 'good investigative work.'

What are some of the one-off oddities?

Have you read the analysis of Smallstorm?

It's not really about proving an evil "CT", however attractive that might be to you.

Rather, it is proving the official narrative, the official CT.

 

[Lursa]

What are some of the one-off oddities?

Have you read the analysis of Smallstorm?

It's not really about proving an evil "CT", however attractive that might be to you.

Rather, it is proving the official narrative, the official CT.

You have listed many as 'your evidence.'

And you still avoid directly confronting the reality of what my solution would prove.

 

[Maccabee]

Well you're right that investigating where the parents dropped their kids off could be a great idea. Given the number of dead ends on identification attempts, like the man who brought suit (likely under a false name) against Halbig and then never showed up for his court date, that might be really tough.

Do you have a link?

In fact, it's much easier to examine public records and the pictures proffered by the authorities. Some have done that, and the results suggest fraud in several ways, but you would likely NOT be interested in those things already found.

Well, I'm interested. That's why I created this thread. Please share with us the sources that made you concluded that Sandy Hook was staged.

You're more interested in your own little emotional query "but where did the parents drop their kids?"

That's not an emotional query. That's asking a logical question to the claim that the parents took the kids to another school. An emotional query would be if Lursa said "how can you attack the parents of dead kids?"

You are NOT interested in discussing why the internet had not been hooked up there, why the parking lot had ancient markings, why there was a sign advising participants to check in, why close examination of photographs show some of the group photos to have been taken at the wrong time of the year, and other facts. No, that does not interest you in the least.

Again, while I can't speak for Lursa, I can say that I'm interested. Since you seem to think Lursa isn't interested, why not talk to me? You haven't quoted me in a while and there are still posts that I made that you have yet to address.

To me, those are the interesting facts, the ones that make the official story highly suspicious and impossible.

It would be even more interesting if you cite your claims.

 

[Maccabee]

What are some of the one-off oddities?

Have you read the analysis of Smallstorm?

It's not really about proving an evil "CT", however attractive that might be to you.

Rather, it is proving the official narrative, the official CT.

This is one gunman so by definition, the "official narrative" isn't a conspiracy theory.

 

[Thoreau72]

Do you have a link?



Well, I'm interested. That's why I created this thread. Please share with us the sources that made you concluded that Sandy Hook was staged.



That's not an emotional query. That's asking a logical question to the claim that the parents took the kids to another school. An emotional query would be if Lursa said "how can you attack the parents of dead kids?"



Again, while I can't speak for Lursa, I can say that I'm interested. Since you seem to think Lursa isn't interested, why not talk to me? You haven't quoted me in a while and there are still posts that I made that you have yet to address.



It would be even more interesting if you cite your claims.

I've given you the names of Wolfgang Halbig and Sofia Smallstorm. There are plenty of others. If you were a curious person seeking to inform himself, you would drink the water and do your own damn research. Clearly you are not, and I have no problem with that, but I'm not going to engage with the dissonant individual. Been there, done that, have the T shirt. It is a dead end.

You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink. You can lead a man to knowledge, but you cannot make him think. I accept that simple bit of wisdom.

 

[Quag]

I've given you the names of Wolfgang Halbig and Sofia Smallstorm. There are plenty of others. If you were a curious person seeking to inform himself, you would drink the water and do your own damn research. Clearly you are not, and I have no problem with that, but I'm not going to engage with the dissonant individual. Been there, done that, have the T shirt. It is a dead end.

You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink. You can lead a man to knowledge, but you cannot make him think. I accept that simple bit of wisdom.

Still no evidence to support your fantasies

 

[gamolon]

If you were a curious person seeking to inform himself, you would drink the water and do your own damn research. Clearly you are not, and I have no problem with that, but I'm not going to engage with the dissonant individual.

Ah yes. The typical truther cop out when asked to provide evidence to support their claims. That seems to be the way they "discuss" and "debate". Truthers make a claim based on some source of evidence and then expect others to find the same source and interpret it the same way they do to arrive at the same conclusion.

How quaint.

You can lead a man to knowledge, but you cannot make him think.

What a contradictory tidbit of "wisdom" from you. In the quote above you tell people to "do your own research" yet try and convey that you are "leading people" to knowledge during this discussion?

What a joke.

 

[zyzygy]

Ah yes. The typical truther cop out when asked to provide evidence to support their claims. That seems to be the way they "discuss" and "debate". Truthers make a claim based on some source of evidence and then expect others to find the same source and interpret it the same way they do to arrive at the same conclusion.

How quaint.


What a contradictory tidbit of "wisdom" from you. In the quote above you tell people to "do your own research" yet try and convey that you are "leading people" to knowledge during this discussion?

What a joke.

The evil gub'ment has always wiped the source.

 

[Maccabee]

I've given you the names of Wolfgang Halbig and Sofia Smallstorm. There are plenty of others. If you were a curious person seeking to inform himself, you would drink the water and do your own damn research. Clearly you are not, and I have no problem with that, but I'm not going to engage with the dissonant individual. Been there, done that, have the T shirt. It is a dead end.

You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink. You can lead a man to knowledge, but you cannot make him think. I accept that simple bit of wisdom.

Dude, you keep forgetting that I used to believe that Sandy Hook was staged. In fact Halbig was the main person who led me to believe that Sandy Hook was a hoax. Also, YOU came to MY thread. If you're not willing to defend your views then why are you even here? At least when I believed in it, I would cite my sources whenever asked.

 

[zyzygy]

Mike Huckabee, former Governor of Arkansas and Republican presidential primary candidate, blamed it on separation of church and state: "We ask why there is violence in our schools, but we have systematically removed God from our schools."[2]
After sane people everywhere pointed out how stupid that was, he walked it back. "I'm not suggesting by any stretch that if we had prayer in schools regularly as we once did that this wouldn't have happened, because you can't have that kind of cause and effect. But we’ve created an atmosphere in this country where the only time you want to invoke God's name is after the tragedy."[3]
Not chastened by his previous stupidity, Huckabee then decided to blame it on the rejection of "natural law" and the "natural family of a father and mother". Yes, the evil gaysdidit.[4]
Professional homophobe Bryan Fischer also blamed separation of church and state. "God is not going to go where he is not wanted."[5] Because Jesus never hung out with sinners (Mark 2:15).
The Westboro Baptist Church announced plans to picket the school "to sing praise to God for the glory of his work in executing his judgment."[6][7] The 6-year-olds were probably 'fag enablers' or somesuch. etc, etc.....

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_massacre

 

[Lursa]

The evil gub'ment has always wiped the source.

Exactly. THere are no records of the students enrolled in the SH school at the time of the shooting and thus, no way to find and interview the parents :roll:

All a 'real' investigator would have to do is go to city hall, find the households with that age kids at the time in that school district, realize that 95% of them would have been enrolled in that school (maybe the rest in private schools elsewhere), and go speak to those parents.

 

[zyzygy]

Exactly. THere are no records of the students enrolled in the SH school at the time of the shooting and thus, no way to find and interview the parents :roll:

All a 'real' investigator would have to do is go to city hall, find the households with that age kids at the time in that school district, realize that 95% of them would have been enrolled in that school (maybe the rest in private schools elsewhere), and go speak to those parents.

That would never occur to CT aficionados. Or if it did then they will say that the households were all in on it. Or the records have vanished. Or some such garbage.

 

[Quag]

That would never occur to CT aficionados. Or if it did then they will say that the households were all in on it. Or the records have vanished. Or some such garbage.

Records dont vanish they get scrubbed!