Marriage, intolerance and acceptability

[Paralogic]

you entire post is intolerant on so many levels.

Intolerant? It's a brief summary of history. I'm not stating an opinion.

 

[beerftw]

stop being dishonest

you mean just like everybody accepts women are equal? all religions are equal? interracial marriage is ok?

oh wait there are still lots of people that dont accept that, wait how is that possible????

LMAO pure nonsense

sorry your OPINION is 100% fallacy and those are the facts

granting equal rights will not force you to accept anything

making something law does accept someone to accept it,your thinking of not liking something.by making it law anything that deals with marriage would have to be aknowledged solong as doma is repealed.i dont have to accept taxes,but i go to jail for not,i dont have to accept chinese people in my store,oh wait thats discrimination,so i would have to accep them or go to jail.

nice try on your argument but all you are doing is trying to refute my argument without actually refuting it,until you can refute my argument as a whole i have already deemed you the loser in this argument.

 

[roguenuke]

Everyone keeps asking why myself and others oppose using the word "marriage" for same sex unions... But the real question is, why do supporters of sex sex unions insist on it being called "marriage?"


Given a choice, which of the following options do you think is best?

1. Same sex unions having all the rights and legal recognition as opposite sex unions, calling it "marriage", and destroying both a time honored tradition, as well as sacred religious institution, and needlessly offending hundreds of millions of people here and abroad.

2. Same sex unions having all the rights and legal recognition as opposite sex unions, but calling it something other than "marriage" out of respect for the hundreds of millions of people who value marriage as a time honored tradition of the union between a man and woman, or see it as a sacred religious institution.


Well, what will it be folks?

I've told everyone several times that the main reason I oppose using a different word for same sex unions or changing all legal marriages to something else is because of the cost. It is fiscally irresponsible to have two differently named institutions that are exactly the same thing.

There are other reasons, but that is the biggest one for me.

 

[AGENT J]

my god i think you are with the same group who feels the feelings of millions is more important than the feelings of more than 100 million.

and then you call them loons for rioting?so when black people riot are they loons too?or are they people demanding to be heard?

wow more dishonesty why am I not surprised


1 feelings dont matter to me freedoms, rights, and liberties do
2 yes anybody that riots over gays being granted equal rights is a loon
3 black, white, yellow doesnt matter to me, it would matter why they are rioting.

for example if blacks rioted over gays being granted equal rights, YES i would call them loons LMAO

 

[roguenuke]

the religious people,of more than just christians,would probably riot.like i said comprimise requires a make everyone happy solution now,then finer details can be worked later.

just look at how slavery ended,did blacks get equal rights right away?no they didnt,even though they should have,it would have caused a backlash in society,society can only accept so much change,and sometimes they must choose their battles,win the battle now and the war later,but if you try to win the whole war in one battle,you will surely lose.

Funny, I don't see much rioting going on over this in any of those states where same sex marriage is legal.

Do you really have that little faith in people on your side of this issue?

 

[AGENT J]

making something law does accept someone to accept it,your thinking of not liking something.by making it law anything that deals with marriage would have to be aknowledged solong as doma is repealed.i dont have to accept taxes,but i go to jail for not,i dont have to accept chinese people in my store,oh wait thats discrimination,so i would have to accep them or go to jail.

nice try on your argument but all you are doing is trying to refute my argument without actually refuting it,until you can refute my argument as a whole i have already deemed you the loser in this argument.

seems you dont understand the word accept


answers these questions in a yes no fashion and spare us all the BS

do all people accept women are equal?
do all people accept minorities are equal?

if you answered anything besides no and no you are lying and being dishonesty.


nice try but reality and facts simply disagree with you and thats what refutes your argument LMAO :shrug:

 

[wolfsgirl]

making something law does accept someone to accept it,your thinking of not liking something.by making it law anything that deals with marriage would have to be aknowledged solong as doma is repealed.i dont have to accept taxes,but i go to jail for not,i dont have to accept chinese people in my store,oh wait thats discrimination,so i would have to accep them or go to jail.

nice try on your argument but all you are doing is trying to refute my argument without actually refuting it,until you can refute my argument as a whole i have already deemed you the loser in this argument.

I don't care if you or anyone else accepts me. You don't have to like me, or what I do. I don't accept a lot of peoples religious beliefs, but I don't want to disregard their rights because I don't like their beliefs.

Accept me, or not. Who cares. Deny my rights as an American citizen. We have a problem.

 

[beerftw]

Your idea of compromise seems to be we keep what we have, and you get what we will allow you to have. Sorry, but NO.

no my version of comprimise is to make 2 sides happy,everyone elses is to make one side happy and tell the other to hit the road.

considering even though most liberal countries in the world gay marriage isnt common,last time i checked germany is far more left than america could ever dream of,and they dont have legal ssm,they use same sex unions.so since most of europe allows openly gay people but still doesnt allow ssm,its safe to say america isnt the only country who has seen unions as comprimise.

 

[Verthaine]

but you were the same person for using the word,knowing it would makemillions angry to make a very few happy.

you sir lost all credibilty with me a few posts ago.

And I'm supposed to care why?
Losing credibility to people who have no problem denying people freedom just doesn't cause me to lose any sleep at night.

It became apparent loooong time that your mind was closed.


It's everyone else who has been reading my posts that I'm trying to reach.
You're just the tool I use to reach them.
I don't believe in compromise when it comes to freedom.
It's a taoist thing,so you wouldn't understand.
If speaking out for freedom causes millions of people to be pissed of at me,so be it.
I was never one to follow the crowd anyway.
We taoists tend to march to the beat of a different drum

 

[roguenuke]

ifit was made through law or amendment,they would have to accept it,and you know this.

dont even try the fallacy bs,ive already said im for comprimise,but equal rights applies to everyone as well,so do religions not apply within equal rights?do they not have a say in the matter?if they dont and their being offended should matter since you cant protect peoplefrom one group from being offended and ignore another.

take your stance,all or nothing,i refuse this im for it unless some people get offended then im against it because the other group matters more.

There weren't huge riots when the Loving v VA ruling was made and it made both laws and amendments against interracial null and void when the majority did not want interracial marriages legal, particularly in those states that had those laws.

If you're offended, too bad. Maybe you should look at why you are offended that more people are allowed into a legal contract, since they have been able to call themselves married to each other and have weddings for quite some time, even in the US for some time now.

 

[wolfsgirl]

no my version of comprimise is to make 2 sides happy,everyone elses is to make one side happy and tell the other to hit the road.

considering even though most liberal countries in the world gay marriage isnt common,last time i checked germany is far more left than america could ever dream of,and they dont have legal ssm,they use same sex unions.so since most of europe allows openly gay people but still doesnt allow ssm,its safe to say america isnt the only country who has seen unions as comprimise.

This is not most countries. This is The United States of America. I don't care how other countries do things. In America rights matter. There is no picking and choosing who gets rights. ALL CITIZENS have to be granted equal rights. I am a citizen.

Obviously your compromise does not make everyone happy, as I will not accept the scraps you think I should be granted.

 

[Verthaine]

making something law does accept someone to accept it,your thinking of not liking something.by making it law anything that deals with marriage would have to be aknowledged solong as doma is repealed.i dont have to accept taxes,but i go to jail for not,i dont have to accept chinese people in my store,oh wait thats discrimination,so i would have to accep them or go to jail.

nice try on your argument but all you are doing is trying to refute my argument without actually refuting it,until you can refute my argument as a whole i have already deemed you the loser in this argument.

You forgot to stick your tongue out,putnyour thumbs in your ears,wiggle your fingers and say "So there!!!Nyah,Nyah,Nyah!!!Pbpbpbpbpobptt".

Apparently your arguement has been noted and rejected.You can't force people to accept your opinions.

 

[roguenuke]

my god i think you are with the same group who feels the feelings of millions is more important than the feelings of more than 100 million.

and then you call them loons for rioting?so when black people riot are they loons too?or are they people demanding to be heard?

Show us anything that possibly suggests that more than a small group of people may riot if same sex marriage were made legal throughout the US. We have precedent, even in this country that suggests that you are very wrong about this.

 

[AGENT J]

no my version of comprimise is to make 2 sides happy,everyone elses is to make one side happy and tell the other to hit the road.

considering even though most liberal countries in the world gay marriage isnt common,last time i checked germany is far more left than america could ever dream of,and they dont have legal ssm,they use same sex unions.so since most of europe allows openly gay people but still doesnt allow ssm,its safe to say america isnt the only country who has seen unions as comprimise.

if you are made unhappy by equal rights you are in the wrong country :shrug:

 

[beerftw]

And I'm supposed to care why?
Losing credibility to people who have no problem denying people freedom just doesn't cause me to lose any sleep at night.

It became apparent loooong time that your mind was closed.


It's everyone else who has been reading my posts that I'm trying to reach.
You're just the tool I use to reach them.
I don't believe in compromise when it comes to freedom.
It's a taoist thing,so you wouldn't understand.
If speaking out for freedom causes millions of people to be pissed of at me,so be it.
I was never one to follow the crowd anyway.
We taoists tend to march to the beat of a different drum

but denying the opinions of one group to appease another isnt freedom,that is simply pandering.this entire thread has been the most intolerant group of posts i have ever seen,comprimise apparently=opposing equal rights,equal rights=rights for everyone who voted democrat but no one else!


and to make it worse it has been mouth foamers angry they cant have everything,one fricken word,even most of the civilized world rejects gay marriage just because the problems it causes,so far though all i have seen from this thread is that the left is tolerant,only if you agree with them.

congradulations you all have made me lose all faith in liberals altogether,by proving you are the most intolerant hate mongering group of people unwilling to comprimise,i bid this thread good day as i cant afford to lose any more braincells watching militant religious people fighting with militant liberals.

 

[AGENT J]

but denying the opinions of one group to appease another isnt freedom,that is simply pandering.this entire thread has been the most intolerant group of posts i have ever seen,comprimise apparently=opposing equal rights,equal rights=rights for everyone who voted democrat but no one else!


and to make it worse it has been mouth foamers angry they cant have everything,one fricken word,even most of the civilized world rejects gay marriage just because the problems it causes,so far though all i have seen from this thread is that the left is tolerant,only if you agree with them.

congradulations you all have made me lose all faith in liberals altogether,by proving you are the most intolerant hate mongering group of people unwilling to comprimise,i bid this thread good day as i cant afford to lose any more braincells watching militant religious people fighting with militant liberals.

what dont you get, nobody is denying them anything LMAO

so when women were given equal rights that wasnt freedom? LMAO
wow do you every say anything truthful and reality based? LOL

yes its safer to run away since you cant back up your false claims

 

[Verthaine]

This is not most countries. This is The United States of America. I don't care how other countries do things. In America rights matter. There is no picking and choosing who gets rights. ALL CITIZENS have to be granted equal rights. I am a citizen.

Obviously your compromise does not make everyone happy, as I will not accept the scraps you think I should be granted.

Nor should you have to.If you want equality then I am with you all the way.

 

[beerftw]

what dont you get, nobody is denying them anything LMAO

so when women were given equal rights that wasnt freedom? LMAO
wow do you every say anything truthful and reality based? LOL

im sorry i chosse to ignore someone who uses a strawman:2razz:

 

[wolfsgirl]

Nor should you have to.If you want equality then I am with you all the way.

What's really messed up is that I'm legally married in my old home state, but my wife got transferred to Mississippi. It was either move, or lose the job with a wonderful company she has been with for 13 years. This state has no recognition of Same sex marriage, no civil unions, no domestic partnership, They can even nullify any contract resembling a marriage agreement made between same sex couples.

 

[roguenuke]

What's really messed up is that I'm legally married in my old home state, but my wife got transferred to Mississippi. It was either move, or lose the job with a wonderful company she has been with for 13 years. This state has no recognition of Same sex marriage, no civil unions, no domestic partnership, They can even nullify any contract resembling a marriage agreement made between same sex couples.

That sucks. I'm so sorry.

This is exactly the reason that I see it is ridiculous for people to say that this should be left up to the states. The states have not been the bastions of equality and fairness. And they are still bound by the US Constitution, so they should have to accept all legal marriages made in other states. DOMA needs to go down.

 

[Verthaine]

but denying the opinions of one group to appease another isnt freedom,that is simply pandering.this entire thread has been the most intolerant group of posts i have ever seen,comprimise apparently=opposing equal rights,equal rights=rights for everyone who voted democrat but no one else!


and to make it worse it has been mouth foamers angry they cant have everything,one fricken word,even most of the civilized world rejects gay marriage just because the problems it causes,so far though all i have seen from this thread is that the left is tolerant,only if you agree with them.

congradulations you all have made me lose all faith in liberals altogether,by proving you are the most intolerant hate mongering group of people unwilling to comprimise,i bid this thread good day as i cant afford to lose any more braincells watching militant religious people fighting with militant liberals.

Don't let the door slam you on the ass on the way out.
You seem to be under the mistakan assertion that disagreeing with peoples opinions is the same as denying them the right to have them.

I voted for McCain and Bobby Jinda for Governer,both Republicans.
Labelling every here who disagrees with you just shows how tolerant you are.
I'm not a liberal
.I'm a centrist with conservative/libertarian leanings,depending on the circumstances
I'm a man who has a gay daughter,and I am defending her rights to happiness.
defending her against people who would deny her that happiness,and the right to use the term "marriage" if she damn well pleases.

If people would just let gay people get married,(and use the trerm if they want) wouldn't be any problems.

No one has done anything to prevent you from having your opinions.
No one has stormed into your house and try to prevent you from stating them here.
And no one here is required to agree with your opinions.


So you can flounce out of like some spoiled teenage girl who doesn't get her way for all I care.
Oh wait,you already did.

 

[wolfsgirl]

That sucks. I'm so sorry.

This is exactly the reason that I see it is ridiculous for people to say that this should be left up to the states. The states have not been the bastions of equality and fairness. And they are still bound by the US Constitution, so they should have to accept all legal marriages made in other states. DOMA needs to go down.

Doma will fall. Probably sooner than later.

It just tickes me off to no end when people decide what they will ALLOW me to have, and call it a compromise. What total and complete BS.

 

[AGENT J]

im sorry i chosse to ignore someone who uses a strawman:2razz:

this is absolutely not a strawman, its an example of how broken your logic is LMAO

not my fault your OWN words dont make sense and I used them against you.

your exact words were "denying the opinions of one group to appease another isnt freedom"

sorry you cant have both ways, either come up with something logical to support your false claims or dont cry when they are shot to hell LMAO:laughat:

seems you dont understand what a strawman is

 

[wolfsgirl]

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[AGENT J]

What's really messed up is that I'm legally married in my old home state, but my wife got transferred to Mississippi. It was either move, or lose the job with a wonderful company she has been with for 13 years. This state has no recognition of Same sex marriage, no civil unions, no domestic partnership, They can even nullify any contract resembling a marriage agreement made between same sex couples.

thats complete BS that you have to put up with that