Man who tried to rob Waffle House with an AK-47 is shot by customer

[Crimefree]

Not so. Here is the reality of violent crime amongst developed nations

Clearly you are missing the point there is not even a correlation. You know it as well

 

[flogger]

So a rabid US gun blog claims the UK has the highest gun crime in the world and you automatically believe it ? :lamo

Thank gawd for the ignore list :wink:

 

[Crimefree]

Not so. Here is the reality of violent crime amongst developed nations

https://dispellingthemythukvsusguns.wordpress.com/

Ah!! I do hope you understood the very clear denunciation of cross country comparisons on just one small detail let alone the great many others. That you even bother to post this link shows you still have no appreciation of the enormity of the lies you have produced in your nightmare crusade to convince people to give up their safety and trust government to do the impossible, protect them.

 

[Crimefree]

So a rabid US gun blog claims the UK has the highest gun crime in the world and you automatically believe it ? :lamo

Thank gawd for the ignore list :wink:

Do you know what evidence is? Do you know that your word is worse than useless and mostly lies?

Do note the UN makes no claims on the figures these are supplied and published by each country. It is clearly stated. Can you not read?

If your have a problem with your massaged figures post the correct figure for the police and home office mangling. Can you do that? What is certain is the current figures are nowhere near correct with many crimes being removed by deliberate obstruction of the truth

No wonder you need an ignore list when people can spot your deceit a mile away. See another lie you have been caught out on.

If you can use such figures it is only fair that I do. I am now doing to you what you do to others in your knife stabbing granny beating miserable spied on island. Fact is England caused its citizens to suffer a more than 300% increase in violent crime by gun control lunacy.

When you are ready to discuss facts get back to me.

 

[flogger]

I've no intention of getting back to you ...... EVER !:lamo

 

[Crimefree]

I've no intention of getting back to you ...... EVER !:lamo

So you concede you are being deceitful because every time you are caught out you find some puerile excuse or try and ridicule. Run and hide we all know you cannot defend your lies.

 

[blackjack50]

With all of your training, you must not feel equal to other men, but inferior .

If you were equal OR superior, you wouldn't need a gun.

LMAO! Do you know what defeats every single martial art? Distance. You can be Brock Lesnar, Jet Li, or Bruce and Chuck Norris tag team combo. Given enough distance...they will lose every time. EVERY time. And all it will take is the proper grain and powder load.

As to this hilarious notion you have about "equal" or "superior" skill crap. I think it is hilarious. You obviously don't understand how reality works. I'm 27. I don't get into school yard fist fights to prove my manhood. Maybe that is something you do, but I am an adult. If I get into a fight...it will be self defense...and it will be a deadly serious matter.

In REAL fights, all that matters is that you win at all costs. Cheat if necessary. You can continue to believe the stupid crap you do, and I pray you never get involved in anything serious. But if you have the misfortune of getting involved in something, your mentality is going to cost you your life. Period.


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[blackjack50]

Do you understand that using one makes that crime far more likely to be lethal as the US clearly shows

Again...do you realize that guns do not cause crime?


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[blackjack50]

Not so. Here is the reality of violent crime amongst developed nations

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Also

International Comparison '.org': Crime and Incarceration Statistics per Country

Also

https://dispellingthemythukvsusguns.wordpress.com/

This list does not tell me how many gun owners are in each nation. You are still operating on assumptions. The only thing this shows is that the United States has a high crime rate, and it erroneously (and kind of bigotedly) leaves out many other "second class" nations.

You can't make a point with incomplete data pumpkin.


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[flogger]

Again...do you realize that guns do not cause crime?

They just make it far more likely to be lethal

 

[flogger]

This list does not tell me how many gun owners are in each nation. You are still operating on assumptions. The only thing this shows is that the United States has a high crime rate, and it erroneously (and kind of bigotedly) leaves out many other "second class" nations.

You can't make a point with incomplete data pumpkin.

It compares the US with the other developed nations most directly comparable with the US . If comparing it with corrupt third world banana republics instead makes you feel better then knock yourself out

What is a 'data pumpkin' ?

 

[blackjack50]

They just make it far more likely to be lethal

So then the answer is...no, guns do not cause crime.

Am I correct in assuming that?


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[blackjack50]

It compares the US with the other developed nations most directly comparable with the US . If comparing it with corrupt third world banana republics instead makes you feel better then knock yourself out

It takes 1 fact...United States has a higher rate. That is completely meaningless. What does that prove? That piece of data alone proves nothing. It certainly doesn't tell me WHY the United States is higher.

What is a 'data pumpkin' ?

Come on now sweetie. I forgot a comma. No need for that.



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[Crimefree]

It compares the US with the other developed nations most directly comparable with the US . If comparing it with corrupt third world banana republics instead makes you feel better then knock yourself out

What is a 'data pumpkin' ?

You have given no reason for your cherry picking and removal of data you apparently do not like. The same goes for the research you cite. You have been called on this previously.

Will you stop with this disingenuous and false comparison until you can show why other countries must be removed. "Most likely" is not a criteria anyone but some agenda driven person thinks has some validity. "Corrupt banana republics" are no different to the police state socialist country of England that hides its real crime statistics behind a maze of obfuscation. You have yet to produce corrected figures.

Now take the UN survey a well respected piece of research and remove England. What is the result now. Can you see a correlation? If you claim there is a correlation show what is wrong with the UN data and why it is wrong. Do note this is not the only research that shows there is no correlation. I have pointed you to others in the past.

You cannot even explain two countries, Switzerland and Japan. Do you get it you are WRONG and your piece of crappy cherry picked research falls short of proving that due to unexplained data removal.

You cannot BS your way around here any more. Either produce facts or get called on it. So far your batting average is zero and you have been proven to post lies. Can you figure something is wrong with your claims?

 

[Crimefree]

They just make it far more likely to be lethal

Guns like bows, swords and other weapons are intended to be lethal. I'll ask again is there some point to this post? When are you going to get to posting it?

 

[Crimefree]

It takes 1 fact...United States has a higher rate. That is completely meaningless. What does that prove? That piece of data alone proves nothing. It certainly doesn't tell me WHY the United States is higher.

When flogger gets asked to explain which is third world, Japan or Switzerland, he ends up sucking his thumb. His box of gun control instilled lies does not have an answer for that.

Come on now sweetie. I forgot a comma. No need for that.

There is a great deal of effort to find something to use as deflection.

 

[flogger]

So then the answer is...no, guns do not cause crime.

Am I correct in assuming that?

Guns make ANY crime more likely to be lethal and therefore WORSE . This is my third and last repetition

 

[flogger]

It takes 1 fact...United States has a higher rate. That is completely meaningless. What does that prove? That piece of data alone proves nothing. It certainly doesn't tell me WHY the United States is higher.

Thats simply denial on your part then

 

[blackjack50]

Guns make ANY crime more likely to be lethal and therefore WORSE . This is my third and last repetition

Honeybun...it still doesn't answer the question I'm asking. I'm asking you if the gun caused the crime. You can repeat your tag line, that is fine. But it isn't a confirmation or denial to the question I have asked you.

The answer is no. And you know it. And thus you are afraid to answer it because it takes away from YOUR argument. Guns do not cause crime. Period. Why are you afraid of that?


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[blackjack50]

Thats simply denial on your part then

So taking your argument: more guns create more murder.

Your evidence:

United States has higher rates of murder.

United States has higher murder.

Your conclusion: guns cause higher murder rates.

Do you see the problem? Your evidence isn't repeatable across the rest of your data points. Out of your 4 lowest points of murder, you have some of the highest rates of gun owners on your list. That is a complete refutation of your evidence.

Thus there is no correlation. Thus your evidence does not support your argument.

As has been demonstrated to you multiple times:

In order to prove the claim that more guns means more murder: you have to actually have evidence that shows that.

Your evidence only shows that the United States has more murder. It doesn't show why. The United States has a vastly different legal system, we have a much more complete system of tracking our data on murders (other nations leave our large numbers of people for whatever reason they deem), and we have a different culture that is considerably more diverse than any other one on your list.

You want to prove your point? Produce the proper data. You haven't, thus I can only assume you CANNOT. Thus your argument is invalid. If it were possible to show that the majority of nations with high gun ownership also have high murder rates, you would be able to produce that data. But you obviously cannot.

Womp womp.


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[flogger]

Honeybun...it still doesn't answer the question I'm asking. I'm asking you if the gun caused the crime. You can repeat your tag line, that is fine. But it isn't a confirmation or denial to the question I have asked you.

The answer is no. And you know it. And thus you are afraid to answer it because it takes away from YOUR argument. Guns do not cause crime. Period. Why are you afraid of that?


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People with guns cause vastly more lethal and violent crime than people that don't have guns can . Good grief fella its not like I haven't posted the info clearly illustrating all this already :shock:

 

[blackjack50]

People with guns cause vastly more lethal and violent crime than people that don't have guns can . Good grief fella its not like I haven't posted the info clearly illustrating all this already :shock:

Ok?

How is this an answer to the question: do guns cause more crime? I didn't ask if they make it more lethal. I asked if they caused it. I'm asking if you removed the gun, would there be no crime?

Lol. Are you afraid to answer that question?


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[flogger]

Ok?

How is this an answer to the question: do guns cause more crime? I didn't ask if they make it more lethal. I asked if they caused it. I'm asking if you removed the gun, would there be no crime?

Lol. Are you afraid to answer that question?

If you aren't going to open the links I've posted already on this then theres not a whole lot I can add

I cannot make you look at something you do not want to see can I ? :roll:

While it becomes clear that certain types of offenses are marginally higher in the UK than in the US (robbery and knife crime being more likely in the UK by an order of 1.1x and 1.27x respectively) a number of other, more serious offenses, are both marginally and substantially higher in the US. Rape of a female is 1.02x more likely in the US, while theft of a vehicle is 1.29x more likely. More disturbingly, burglary is significantly higher at 1.52x more likely to occur in the US. However, it is at the considerably more, well, violent crimes that America really supersedes England and Wales into its own class. In the United States, you are 6.9x more likely to be the victim of aggravated assault resulting in serious injury than in the UK. You are 4.03x more likely to be murdered than in the UK. And more staggeringly (though not surprising) you are 35.2x more likely to be shot dead in the Unites States than in the UK.

https://dispellingthemythukvsusguns.wordpress.com/

 

[blackjack50]

If you aren't going to open the links I've posted already on this then theres not a whole lot I can add

I cannot make you look at something you do not want to see can I :roll:

Lol.

So you have actual evidence that shows: guns cause crime.


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[flogger]

Lol.

So you have actual evidence that shows: guns cause crime.

Thats right more people with more guns results in more violent crime as my linked edit clearly illustrated