Man who tried to rob Waffle House with an AK-47 is shot by customer

[blaxshep]

Would the armed robber most likely have his gun out first ?

In your mind a Dirty Harry scenario then ensues right ? :lol:

That doesn't answer the question. If the robber had his gun out would it be better for you to be unarmed?

Well maybe not you, I mean a real man.

 

[flogger]

That doesn't answer the question. If the robber had his gun out would it be better for you to be unarmed?

Well maybe not you, I mean a real man.

I've shot and been shot at in war

Have you ?

 

[Crimefree]

I've shot and been shot at in war

Have you ?

So how many did you kill?

Deflection and non sequitur. WTF has this got to do with it.

 

[blaxshep]

I've shot and been shot at in war

Have you ?

I am ex-military, I was not in combat, but I have shot and been shot at on the streets.

I ask you again: That doesn't answer the question. If the robber had his gun out would it be better for you to be unarmed?

 

[Crimefree]

Would the armed robber most likely have his gun out first ?

In your mind a Dirty Harry scenario then ensues right ? :lol:

Ignorance reigns supreme.

My friend faced an attempted car jacking with three mopes one at the door one behind the vehicle and one one the other side all armed and shouting at him instructions to hand over the keys. He got out calmly said I'm going too give you the keys putting his hand in his pocket and drawing a S&W air weight 357 Magnum shot the mope at the door, wounded the mope at the back and the third mope gapped it so fast nobody knows where he went.

So how and why did this happen? My friend has never trained at anything other than basic military training.

I await you best explanation and he got lucky does not cut it. He knew he could get at least one. What does he know that a pretend expert like you does not.

What do those who wallow in the abject ignorance and utter stupidity of gun control not know?

 

[blaxshep]

Ignorance reigns supreme.

My friend faced an attempted car jacking with three mopes one at the door one behind the vehicle and one one the other side all armed and shouting at him instructions to hand over the keys. He got out calmly said I'm going too give you the keys putting his had in his pocket and drawing a S&W air weight 357 Magnum shot the mope at the door wounded the mope at the back and the third mope gapped it so fast nobody knows where he went.

So how and why did this happen? My friend has never trained at anything other than basic military training.

I await you best explanation and he got lucky does not cut it. He knew he could get at least one. What does he know that a pretend expert like you does not.

What do those who wallow in the abject ignorance and utter stupidity of gun control not know?

I'm sure your friend would have done much better if he was unarmed. :lamo

 

[Crimefree]

Please cite me ever claiming that ?

Would you like me to prove this is just another lie as I have done with all your false claims

 

[blackjack50]

Please cite me ever claiming that ?

Ok. So getting rid of guns doesn't get rid of violence then! Really? That seems odd given your position.


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[blackjack50]

Would the armed robber most likely have his gun out first ?

In your mind a Dirty Harry scenario then ensues right ? :lol:

You realize I can post dozens, if not HUNDREDS, of incidents where having the gun out is irrelevant. But I don't have to. OP shows what happens when you **** with an armed populace.


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[blackjack50]

I've shot and been shot at in war

Have you ?

Ok. So how would you have faired without your gun? Seems to me that the other guys shot at YOU. And I'm betting you were ok having that gun at the time. And let's of armed friends too.


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[flogger]

Ok. So getting rid of guns doesn't get rid of violence then! Really? That seems odd given your position.

Well it is your strawman after all :wink:

 

[flogger]

Ok. So how would you have faired without your gun? Seems to me that the other guys shot at YOU. And I'm betting you were ok having that gun at the time. And let's of armed friends too.

Wars are where guns like I once used belong. They have no place in civilian life whatsoever

 

[flogger]

You realize I can post dozens, if not HUNDREDS, of incidents where having the gun out is irrelevant. But I don't have to. OP shows what happens when you **** with an armed populace.

I suspect you've been watching too many Hollywood movies. Most guns are brandished during arguments or in domestic disputes in the home as I have already shown.

Again .....

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/

 

[flogger]

I am ex-military, I was not in combat, but I have shot and been shot at on the streets.

I ask you again: That doesn't answer the question. If the robber had his gun out would it be better for you to be unarmed?

Time to get realistic here. How often is this scenario likely to play out then ?

On the flipside how often does a jealous or spiteful spouse shoot their partner dead in the home for every time this happens ?

 

[TurtleDude]

Wars are where guns like I once used belong. They have no place in civilian life whatsoever

that's the typical bannerrhoid babble we hear from you. Millions of people use firearms each day for peaceful purposes. I, my wife, and son shot some trap today. Before that we attended a gun show where people were buying, trading, selling firearms and accessories. Tomorrow, going to hit the rifle range. Maybe that doesn't fit into the garment soiling gun hating world of some but to free Americans, its a routine occurrence

 

[blackjack50]

Well it is your strawman after all :wink:

That isn't a straw man. It is directly related to the topic. If you are adult enough to admit that objects don't control human behavior, then you are adult enough to have a discussion on why crime rates and murder rates look the way they do.

We have had a steady increase in firearms for decades and a decrease in murder rates. It refutes your silly claims. And it also shifts the focus from objects to humans and what we do wrong on a human level. Of course...your nations have some good answers, but because of your relative homogeny...they can't be copy and pasted.


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[blackjack50]

Wars are where guns like I once used belong. They have no place in civilian life whatsoever

Tell that to my cousin whose ex husband not only raped their daughter, but also beat her and choked her so badly that she pissed her pants in front of her children. The law didn't stop him. He is a former cop whose father is insanely rich. It took someone shoving a .45/.410 Taurus judge loaded with buck in his face to make him stop. Unfortunately (in hindsight) my uncle did not pull the trigger.

Oh.

And the icing on the cake? Because of lawyers and an inept school who improperly reported the abuse evidence that they had...they are still granting him custody of the children.

You can also tell that to a close friend of mine who was stalled and abused by her ex boyfriend. She had to arm herself and shoot someone to make it stop. Something I don't talk about here is that her ex USED to be my best friend. And he accused me of ****ing her. I didn't. And I know him. He lost his ****ing marbles after getting hooked on all kinds of drugs.

You can profess that "it only belongs on a battlefield," but the fact is that you live a nice cushy life. What was it? 53 countries? Something tells me you don't live in real poverty my man. Something tells me you don't share a border with a ghetto. Something TELLS me that you have never had a neighbor who is a meth head with multiple arrests, or for the past year that you haven't had to listen to some gigantic drunken asshole verbally abuse his girlfriend next door and threaten to kick in her door.

So feel free to outsource your security (which means your security doesn't exist). I don't. And your bull**** about banning guns being the end all be all to solving problems has been disproven time and again. I tell you what. You volunteer to strap up with your SLR (you said Falklands right?) and come start disarming our gangs and stand at post on a street corner in Detroit, Chiraq, Compton, or one of a dozen other entrenched ganglands...I will support you. And if you can fully accomplish it? I will start thinking about tighter gun control.

Until then...spare me the BS about how great gun control is in your land of arrest on suspicion and almost non existent ganglands.


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[blackjack50]

I suspect you've been watching too many Hollywood movies. Most guns are brandished during arguments or in domestic disputes in the home as I have already shown.

Again .....

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/

24 minutes of people using firearms to defend themselves. And hardly the only stories. The NRA has a section in their MONTHLY magazine with multiple confirmed stories (confirmed with cited news articles from local news sources) about people using their firearms.

The armed citizen channel on YouTube has 78 videos and counting.

And of course what your statistic does...yet again...is intentionally leaves out the fact that it is a previously convicted criminal who is, yet again, committing another crime that is victimizing someone.

When armed citizens fight back...we win. There are more citizen shootings of criminals in the United States than police shootings. And the citizens have a lower rate of collateral damage. 2% to police 11%. Feel free to research all that.

And like I said: any time you want to come back and patrol our streets with your SLR...let me know. We could use some help dealing with the gang land.


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[Crimefree]

24 minutes of people using firearms to defend themselves. And hardly the only stories. The NRA has a section in their MONTHLY magazine with multiple confirmed stories (confirmed with cited news articles from local news sources) about people using their firearms.

The armed citizen channel on YouTube has 78 videos and counting.

And of course what your statistic does...yet again...is intentionally leaves out the fact that it is a previously convicted criminal who is, yet again, committing another crime that is victimizing someone.

When armed citizens fight back...we win. There are more citizen shootings of criminals in the United States than police shootings. And the citizens have a lower rate of collateral damage. 2% to police 11%. Feel free to research all that.

And like I said: any time you want to come back and patrol our streets with your SLR...let me know. We could use some help dealing with the gang land.

Your grapefruit is on fire :lol:

One can hardly call the Falklands a war. It's not big enough to host a war. 2,840 People on 4,700 sq miles.

What is forgotten is the Flogger cannot produce a successful gun law that has reduced crime. Nor can he show by any physical means how guns cause crime. Although for obvious reasons not stated gun control advocates just know they do by some magical, mythical, occult and undiscovered mental forces. Forces they are absolutely convinced exist but cannot be categorised due to their mysterious and hidden nature.

What they like us to do is debate as if they had established that minor missing detail and causality was taken for granted.

 

[flogger]

that's the typical bannerrhoid babble we hear from you. Millions of people use firearms each day for peaceful purposes. I, my wife, and son shot some trap today. Before that we attended a gun show where people were buying, trading, selling firearms and accessories. Tomorrow, going to hit the rifle range. Maybe that doesn't fit into the garment soiling gun hating world of some but to free Americans, its a routine occurrence

You are perhaps the most extreme advocate posting here having even invented your own sub language to denigrate those who disagree with you and to protect the sacred gun at all costs

You are the best advert for my position I could ever want :thumbs:

 

[flogger]

24 minutes of people using firearms to defend themselves. And hardly the only stories.

Sadly the vastly greater number of domestic killings in the home between family members or partners do not get recorded

 

[TurtleDude]

You are perhaps the most extreme advocate posting here having even invented your own sub language to denigrate those who disagree with you and to protect the sacred gun at all costs

You are the best advert for my position I could ever want :thumbs:

Glad you like it, I am hardly extreme. you haven't seen close to extreme. and your hilarious hyperbolic nonsense is a gut buster. No one worships guns, but I do denigrate dishonest and stupid arguments.

 

[TurtleDude]

Sadly the vastly greater number of domestic killings in the home between family members or partners do not get recorded

you are not being truthful-as usual. When someone is killed, that is always recorded. what is not recorded are the millions of times the mere presence of a gun has caused a mope to retreat.

 

[ludin]

Who would rob a Waffle House?

He must have been jonesn for the fried potatoes or something.
I agree who in the right mind would rob a Waffle House.

At least with the 7-11 you can grab some beer.

 

[ludin]

you are not being truthful-as usual. When someone is killed, that is always recorded. what is not recorded are the millions of times the mere presence of a gun has caused a mope to retreat.

Actually it was. According to surveys done there are at least 500-600k cases were a gun is used in self defense.
Of that about 250-300k a shot was fired. So about 50% of the time no shot is fired.

That was like in 1 year.