Mail in ballots.

[bongsaway]

A quick question.

How does one use a mail in ballot to vote and then publicly rage about the evils of mail in voting?

 

[Citizen]

A quick question.

How does one use a mail in ballot to vote and then publicly rage about the evils of mail in voting?

Just another tactic to suppress the vote

 

[JasperL]

A quick question.

How does one use a mail in ballot to vote and then publicly rage about the evils of mail in voting?

There's no conflict. These Republicans are elitists who believe there is appropriately one set of rules for them, and that another set of rules should apply to the normal people.

 

[ttwtt78640]

A quick question.

How does one use a mail in ballot to vote and then publicly rage about the evils of mail in voting?

The same way one describes requiring a valid, state issued, photo ID as being a "discriminatory burden" when applied to the individual constitutional right to vote, yet as being perfectly fine (coupled with a BGC to ensure that no prior felony conviction had removed that right) for the individual constitutional right to buy a gun.

 

[Captain Adverse]

The same way one describes requiring a valid, state issued, photo ID as being a "discriminatory burden" when applied to the individual constitutional right to vote, yet as being perfectly fine (coupled with a BGC to ensure that no prior felony conviction had removed that right) for the individual constitutional right to buy a gun.

Or to drive a car, buy cigarettes or alcohol, to see an X- or R-rated movie, apply for employment (along with SSAN), apply for unemployment benefits, etc., etc.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Or to drive a car, buy cigarettes or alcohol, to see an X- or R-rated movie, apply for employment (along with SSAN), apply for unemployment benefits, etc., etc.

Yep, hypocrisy abounds.

 

[JasperL]

The same way one describes requiring a valid, state issued, photo ID as being a "discriminatory burden" when applied to the individual constitutional right to vote, yet as being perfectly fine (coupled with a BGC to ensure that no prior felony conviction had removed that right) for the individual constitutional right to buy a gun.

It's a bad analogy. The people complaining about mail in ballots - like the entire Trump family - take advantage of a method of voting they'd deny others, like you, and me.

And if you believe we shouldn't have ID requirements to buy a gun, write your Congressman. The risks are different for buying a deadly weapon, the motivations are different, than for casting a vote. So the ID requirements are different. You need a different ID to fly to France than to Austin. Is that unfair, or are there different reasons for the ID so different IDs required. Etc.

 

[JasperL]

Or to drive a car, buy cigarettes or alcohol, to see an X- or R-rated movie, apply for employment (along with SSAN), apply for unemployment benefits, etc., etc.

It's fascinating how many millions of had sufficient ID to do all they needed to get done in life without the IDs required to vote. We don't have to guess about this - millions of fully functioning citizens got by in life with ID that wasn't accepted at the polls. Can you explain that?

 

[JasperL]

Yep, hypocrisy abounds.

You'd need to show hypocrisy and you haven't.

But Trump and others appreciate you running interference for them. They love mail in ballots because they don't have to mix with the likes of you and me and can vote conveniently and safely. They just don't want YOU to have that privilege, in a pandemic. I am sure the elitists appreciate common people defending them.

 

[roguenuke]

The same way one describes requiring a valid, state issued, photo ID as being a "discriminatory burden" when applied to the individual constitutional right to vote, yet as being perfectly fine (coupled with a BGC to ensure that no prior felony conviction had removed that right) for the individual constitutional right to buy a gun.

Unrelated. This is about mail in ballots, which are available, both with and without restrictions in all states. As a Navy spouse, husband stationed in a different state than our residence, I could vote via mailin ballot without showing my ID card. I verified my info in other ways (I didn't have a state ID from my state at that time).

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[Captain Adverse]

It's fascinating how many millions of had sufficient ID to do all they needed to get done in life without the IDs required to vote. We don't have to guess about this - millions of fully functioning citizens got by in life with ID that wasn't accepted at the polls. Can you explain that?

That was before States started issuing driver's licenses to illegal aliens.

States Offering Driver’s Licenses to Immigrants...Fifteen states and the District of Columbia have enacted laws to allow unauthorized immigrants to obtain driver’s licenses.

States Offering Driver’s Licenses to Immigrants

We also already have some places in States allowing "undocumented persons" voting rights too.

(Undocumented) Immigrants Are Getting the Right to Vote in Cities Across America

You have been blocked

That was back in 2017.

So yes, I'd say there is a problem with voting absent voter ID.

 

[ttwtt78640]

It's a bad analogy. The people complaining about mail in ballots - like the entire Trump family - take advantage of a method of voting they'd deny others, like you, and me.

And if you believe we shouldn't have ID requirements to buy a gun, write your Congressman. The risks are different for buying a deadly weapon, the motivations are different, than for casting a vote. So the ID requirements are different. You need a different ID to fly to France than to Austin. Is that unfair, or are there different reasons for the ID so different IDs required. Etc.

The risk of counting an invalid vote is that it takes exactly one of them to cancel (or double) my own. The analogy presented used two individual constitutional rights - not the privilege to board a commercial flight.

 

[HIP56948]

A quick question.

How does one use a mail in ballot to vote and then publicly rage about the evils of mail in voting?

You have to be a con-person, a liar, a shyster, cheater, rapist, narcissist and give speeches in the Rose Garden that cause other people to say..after the speech: What the hell was THAT?

 

[ttwtt78640]

You'd need to show hypocrisy and you haven't.

But Trump and others appreciate you running interference for them. They love mail in ballots because they don't have to mix with the likes of you and me and can vote conveniently and safely. They just don't want YOU to have that privilege, in a pandemic. I am sure the elitists appreciate common people defending them.

I'm not "running interference" for anyone and fully agree that Trump is being hypocritical concerning mail in ballots. My point was that such hypocrisy is not limited to a single issue position or Trump.

 

[JasperL]

That was before States started issuing driver's licenses to illegal aliens.

That has nothing to do with my question. I asked how millions got by in life and did everything they needed doing without ID permitted at the polls. States issuing DLs to illegals bizarrely misses the entire point.

We also already have some places in States allowing "undocumented persons" voting rights too.

You have been blocked

That was back in 2017.

So yes, I'd say there is a problem with voting absent voter ID.

OK, show the problem.

I'm asking but I know you cannot show a problem of 'illegals' voting. No one has ever been able to show a problem that rises above the trivial. It's a shiny object, that's it. If you're an illegal, do you really risk a felony, jail, certain deportation with no chance at returning, to cast a vote? Of course not.... The reward is 0, and the risk large

It's also irrelevant to your elitist overlords taking advantage of mail in voting (which has nothing whatever to do with voter ID), while working to deny that privilege to you and me and other commoners, in a pandemic, that you might have noticed isn't slowing down, but hitting new records every day.

Why not stick to the topic?

It's a let them eat cake stance, and of course you're defending it, badly I might add with red herrings and non sequiturs.

 

[Casper]

Just another tactic to suppress the vote

Yeup, like closing polling places in areas dominated by Dems. If they allow a high turnout they are toast and know it. I doubt any of their methods will work, far too much hate for the Donald to stop people from removing his worthless butt.

 

[Citizen]

Yeup, like closing polling places in areas dominated by Dems. If they allow a high turnout they are toast and know it. I doubt any of their methods will work, far too much hate for the Donald to stop people from removing his worthless butt.

Yup and there are so many groups that are aware of these tactics and fighting against it and bring it to the public view

 

[ttwtt78640]

Unrelated. This is about mail in ballots, which are available, both with and without restrictions in all states. As a Navy spouse, husband stationed in a different state than our residence, I could vote via mailin ballot without showing my ID card. I verified my info in other ways (I didn't have a state ID from my state at that time).

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OK, but the mail-in ballot issue is a bit larger than that. It is about making something more convenient (less risky?) by removing the current in person requirement.

 

[MaryP]

It's fascinating how many millions of had sufficient ID to do all they needed to get done in life without the IDs required to vote. We don't have to guess about this - millions of fully functioning citizens got by in life with ID that wasn't accepted at the polls. Can you explain that?

I learned not long ago that the federal government, for some reason, does not ALLOW proof of citizenship to be required when voting in federal elections. So what's the sense in more than the ID now required to register? The federal government needs to do something about that if what people are worried about is noncitizens voting. To get food stamps in our state, you have to show a valid birth certificate. So the feds obviously have no problem with making people get one.

 

[JasperL]

I'm not "running interference" for anyone and fully agree that Trump is being hypocritical concerning mail in ballots. My point was that such hypocrisy is not limited to a single issue position or Trump.

I see - butwhatabout??!!

:roll:

 

[roguenuke]

OK, but the mail-in ballot issue is a bit larger than that. It is about making something more convenient (less risky?) by removing the current in person requirement.

That already isn't required for everyone. And during a time of a national crisis. It can be done, and should be done.

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[Citizen]

I learned not long ago that the federal government, for some reason, does not ALLOW proof of citizenship to be required when voting in federal elections. So what's the sense in more than the ID now required to register? The federal government needs to do something about that if what people are worried about is noncitizens voting. To get food stamps in our state, you have to show a valid birth certificate. So the feds obviously have no problem with making people get one.

Hmm.......interesting that you have to have a birth certificate to get food stamps. So the far right is lying as usual when they say illegal immigrants get welfare (like I didn’t already know that)

 

[ttwtt78640]

I see - butwhatabout??!!

:roll:

Yep, in a Trump's hypocrisy matters thread, I dared to state that all hypocrisy matters.

 

[Captain Adverse]

That has nothing to do with my question. I asked how millions got by in life and did everything they needed doing without ID permitted at the polls. States issuing DLs to illegals bizarrely misses the entire point.



OK, show the problem.

I'm asking but I know you cannot show a problem of 'illegals' voting. No one has ever been able to show a problem that rises above the trivial. It's a shiny object, that's it. If you're an illegal, do you really risk a felony, jail, certain deportation with no chance at returning, to cast a vote? Of course not.... The reward is 0, and the risk large

It's also irrelevant to your elitist overlords taking advantage of mail in voting (which has nothing whatever to do with voter ID), while working to deny that privilege to you and me and other commoners, in a pandemic, that you might have noticed isn't slowing down, but hitting new records every day.

Why not stick to the topic?

It's a let them eat cake stance, and of course you're defending it, badly I might add with red herrings and non sequiturs.

I and others have shown the problem in other posts on this subject; from vote harvesting, through failure of delivery (votes not delivered, and sometimes later "found" has been an ongoing problem), intentional/unintentional destruction, and to altered/other fraudulent voting.

It does exist, we've seen reports about this recently as mentioned in other threads citing news examples on the subject.

I argue those are just the tip of the iceberg, what we see being only those discovered by either "accident," or just bad luck on the part of the fraudsters.

 

[MaryP]

Yeup, like closing polling places in areas dominated by Dems. If they allow a high turnout they are toast and know it. I doubt any of their methods will work, far too much hate for the Donald to stop people from removing his worthless butt.

Some states who did their primary elections by mail in ballot this year have had record turnouts. If what you say is true, that would be the primary reason Republicans are so dead set against it.

I remember the President immediately reacting to the idea of mail in voting by saying it would be a disaster for the Republicans. I couldn't figure out why. People told me it was because of Democratic cheating, but that never rang true. This makes more sense.