loving guns more than children

[TurtleDude]

Yes, you alone are the expert!!!!!

nope but I am clearly the expert here in this discussion.

 

[spud_meister]

A "gun free" sign has yet to save one child's life.

That's untrue. There averages 78 deaths per year from children accidentally killing themselves or others with firearms. We could factor in homicides and suicides as well, but sorting the spontaneous (prevented through lack of firearms) from the planned is difficult. But the fact remains, 78 child deaths a year could be prevented by making a home "gun free".

 

[Bullseye]

That's untrue. There averages 78 deaths per year

from children accidentally killing themselves or others with firearms. We could factor in homicides and suicides as well, but sorting the spontaneous (prevented through lack of firearms) from the planned is difficult. But the fact remains, 78 child deaths a year could be prevented by making a home "gun free".[/QUOTE] How does that relate to gun free signs?

 

[Chillfolks]

If you want to talk statistics, how likely are you to use your weapon? Not likely.....

But your claim of 3 ivy league degrees has certainly been MUCH more useful in the real word. The fantasy world you live in in which your life is in danger and you must have a weapon has made you so paranoid. You've fallen into the trap the gun manufacturers and republicans have laid for you.

I guess even an Ivy league guy is that dumb....

My Ruger Mini 14 doesn't help me arrange a song or rearrange a song to make it easier my education does.
My ability to transpose music from on key to another doesn't help me kill a coyote in the chicken house my Ruger Mini 14 does.
A person who has more than one frame of reference is a more well rounded individual and can offer more to society than someone who is one dimensional

 

[Chillfolks]

That's untrue. There averages 78 deaths per year from children accidentally killing themselves or others with firearms. We could factor in homicides and suicides as well, but sorting the spontaneous (prevented through lack of firearms) from the planned is difficult. But the fact remains, 78 child deaths a year could be prevented by making a home "gun free".

The quote you referenced said that a gun free SIGN has yet to save a life. Your reply is about removing guns from the situation. They are not the same. Would you say just putting up the gun free sign on a front door would save lives? If not then nothing in your reply challenges what joko104's point was.

 

[marke]

Here's an interesting op-ed to chew on.

Do we love our guns more than our children?



Yes, folks. Europe has something we do not. Sanity. And, the key to our insanity is made of steel and was designed to spit out lead.

Here we have it, folks. If you love the 2nd amendment then you hate your children. The unified democrat mob spirit in the sky has spoken.

 

[enderpotato00]

lol...guns take away almost 40,000 lives a year.

Note the uptick since the Rightie nuts on SCOTUS removed all the restrictions.

Ok but, lets say we reduce guns. Then people would just go to knives or tie a noose.

 

[ryzorsden]

nope but I am clearly the expert here in this discussion.

Whatever makes you feel better.

I mean, I worked in a Prison, that doesn't mean I am the expert on general prison policy.

I was also a mixed martial artist in my younger years, I'm no expert fighter, nor should I make MMA rules.

That's like taking advice on how to play the lottery from a lottery winner. Few and far between and its mostly luck that it happened.

The fact of hte matter is, there are less than 50 cases a year of people defending themselves with guns.

 

[pinqy]

I'd rather see my child get into Harvard than see them shoot a bullseye. Getting into Harvard takes much more effort, dedication, and intelligence than pointing a gun and shooting at a paper target.

The Harvard University Shooting Club was founded in 1883. It was inactive from 2003 to 2009 but was reformed. Harvard Law School has a shooting club too.

 

[spud_meister]

How does that relate to gun free signs?

The quote you referenced said that a gun free SIGN has yet to save a life. Your reply is about removing guns from the situation. They are not the same. Would you say just putting up the gun free sign on a front door would save lives? If not then nothing in your reply challenges what joko104's point was.

Sorry, I forgot gun lovers have autism and must take everything literally. Joko said a gun free sign as it delineates a gun free zone, which is a zone in which guns are forbidden. As any small child could figure out, not all gun free zones are signed, and it's ridiculously pedantic to discuss the signs themselves, rather than the intent behind them. Now, if we were to indulge in ridiculously literal pedantry, guns, much like signs, don't save lives either, as a gun, much like a sign, is an inanimate object, and it is the actions of the people concerning the gun that save lives. So, I guess you'd have to agree with me that guns save as many lives as signs, yes?

 

[TurtleDude]

Whatever makes you feel better.

I mean, I worked in a Prison, that doesn't mean I am the expert on general prison policy.

I was also a mixed martial artist in my younger years, I'm no expert fighter, nor should I make MMA rules.

That's like taking advice on how to play the lottery from a lottery winner. Few and far between and its mostly luck that it happened.

The fact of hte matter is, there are less than 50 cases a year of people defending themselves with guns.

you're lying. even the OBAMA DOJ found thousands upon thousands of cases of DGUs a year

 

[TurtleDude]

The Harvard University Shooting Club was founded in 1883. It was inactive from 2003 to 2009 but was reformed. Harvard Law School has a shooting club too.

Yale's skeet shooting team beat heavily favored Trinity University (which featured several all time greats including Robert Paxton and Ricky Pope) to win the national collegiate championship in 1977. One member of the Yale Team, Bradley Simmons, was on the US Olympic team in 1976 and part of the gold medal winning US world team in 1977. Anti Gun senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) was a JV member my freshman year and his daughter was a member of the team many years later.

 

[TurtleDude]

Here we have it, folks. If you love the 2nd amendment then you hate your children. The unified democrat mob spirit in the sky has spoken.

He's trolling.,

 

[Chillfolks]

Sorry, I forgot gun lovers have autism and must take everything literally. Joko said a gun free sign as it delineates a gun free zone, which is a zone in which guns are forbidden. As any small child could figure out, not all gun free zones are signed, and it's ridiculously pedantic to discuss the signs themselves, rather than the intent behind them. Now, if we were to indulge in ridiculously literal pedantry, guns, much like signs, don't save lives either, as a gun, much like a sign, is an inanimate object, and it is the actions of the people concerning the gun that save lives. So, I guess you'd have to agree with me that guns save as many lives as signs, yes?

No in broad terms signs help save more lives than guns do. However a sign declaring someplace a gun free zone saves no lives. Gun free zones don't save lives either

 

[pinqy]

The fact of hte matter is, there are less than 50 cases a year of people defending themselves with guns.

Huh. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics Report on Firearm Violence 1993-2011 between 2007 and 2011 there were 338,700 cases where people used or threatened to use a firearm in self-defense. So that would be a average of 67,740 incidents a year. And you’re saying that it is now diwn to under 50? That’s huge drop. To what do you attribute such a huge change in 7 years? Or perhaps you are mistaken?

 

[ryzorsden]

you're lying. even the OBAMA DOJ found thousands upon thousands of cases of DGUs a year

THe DGU statistics are inherently flawed because most of them are dependent upon claims.

Nice try though.

THe fact of the matter is this, the grand fear (and hope) of gun nuts is the myth that somebody will break into their home and they will imitate Die Hard by blowing away the criminal! The fact is, this happens less than a dozen times a year.

Most people that break into your house wait until you are not there, and they just want your stuff.

It's ok dude. I understand why you believe what you believe and why you stand firm. But until it effects you personally, you're going to cling onto your cliches. That's why i really respect Caleb Keeter for changing his mind. He had guns in his trailer, and when he saw the volley of bullets supported by the 2A coming his way, and his own guns could do nothing, he knew it was time for a change.

Quick question Mr. Expert, what are gun laws you think should be changed? Or is everything just hunkey dorey?

 

[TurtleDude]

Huh. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics Report on Firearm Violence 1993-2011 between 2007 and 2011 there were 338,700 cases where people used or threatened to use a firearm in self-defense. So that would be a average of 67,740 incidents a year. And you’re saying that it is now diwn to under 50? That’s huge drop. To what do you attribute such a huge change in 7 years? Or perhaps you are mistaken?

either ignorance or he was lying or both. BTW an armed robber was just fatally shot while trying to hold up a convenience store in the South Fairmount neighborhood in Cincinnati

(Channel 12, CBS, 11.04 PM EST)

 

[TurtleDude]

THe DGU statistics are inherently flawed because most of them are dependent upon claims.

Nice try though.

THe fact of the matter is this, the grand fear (and hope) of gun nuts is the myth that somebody will break into their home and they will imitate Die Hard by blowing away the criminal! The fact is, this happens less than a dozen times a year.

Most people that break into your house wait until you are not there, and they just want your stuff.

It's ok dude. I understand why you believe what you believe and why you stand firm. But until it effects you personally, you're going to cling onto your cliches. That's why i really respect Caleb Keeter for changing his mind. He had guns in his trailer, and when he saw the volley of bullets supported by the 2A coming his way, and his own guns could do nothing, he knew it was time for a change.

Quick question Mr. Expert, what are gun laws you think should be changed? Or is everything just hunkey dorey?

Get rid of the 1934 NFA

get rid of any state laws that prevent lawful citizens from owning any type of firearms that civilian police can use in that state

vigorously prosecute those who commit perjury on Form 4473

 

[ryzorsden]

Get rid of the 1934 NFA

get rid of any state laws that prevent lawful citizens from owning any type of firearms that civilian police can use in that state

vigorously prosecute those who commit perjury on Form 4473

So you think people should have machine guns eh?

 

[TurtleDude]

So you think people should have machine guns eh?

they do and in 80 years the only two cases of murder involving privately owned Machine guns were committed by police officers. If civilian cops have them, other civilians ought to be able to own them in their own homes

 

[ttwtt78640]

So you think people should have machine guns eh?

If police need them for self defense then why should they be otherwise banned or extremely restricted?

 

[ryzorsden]

they do and in 80 years the only two cases of murder involving privately owned Machine guns were committed by police officers. If civilian cops have them, other civilians ought to be able to own them in their own homes

The reason why there haven't been murders by machine guns in 80 years..... IS BECAUSE THEY WERE BANNED IN 1934!!!!!!!!!!!

My goodness you walked into that one.

The only cops allowed to have automatic weapons are SWAT officers. Theyre still trying to outfit more street cops with AR-15s.

Nice try. I expected more from an "expert."

 

[TurtleDude]

The reason why there haven't been murders by machine guns in 80 years..... IS BECAUSE THEY WERE BANNED IN 1934!!!!!!!!!!!

My goodness you walked into that one.

The only cops allowed to have automatic weapons are SWAT officers. Theyre still trying to outfit more street cops with AR-15s.

Nice try. I expected more from an "expert."

you're lying and proving you are completely unable to discuss gun issues


machine guns have been legal to own since they were invented. in 1986 those made after may 19, 1986 were banned for most private citizens when a spiteful dem scum bag and dishonest acting SOTH tried to derail a pro gun bill by attaching an amendment which the ATF interpreted as banning future registrations

when you tell a whopper as big as you have, no one should ever take your arguments on gun issues seriously again

 

[pinqy]

they do and in 80 years the only two cases of murder involving privately owned Machine guns were committed by police officers. If civilian cops have them, other civilians ought to be able to own them in their own homes

Legally owned. I believe there were a couple of illegally purchased machine gun crimes in the 1980’s.

Heh...at a gun show last month I actually saw an M2 .50 cal for sale. Asking price was $49,000. Plus of course the NFA tax.

I’m extremely confident nobody intends to use it for any crime.

 

[TurtleDude]

If police need them for self defense then why should they be otherwise banned or extremely restricted?

if you understand the legal term estoppel-any firearm issued to civilian police is thus established as being most suitable for self defense by honest citizens in a civilian environment.