Louisiana moves to make abortion pills ‘controlled dangerous substances’

[ColdHardTruth]

Interesting. The change makes chemical abortion pills illegal and persons having or giving them to a woman would be at risk of criminal prosecution.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/05/13/abortion-pills-louisiana-controlled-substance/

Another article without paywall

Louisiana Lawmakers Move to Criminalize Possession of Abortion Pills

“This was not on anyone’s radar at all — it feels very sneaky,” says one OB-GYN

au.news.yahoo.com

This is not legal, and the feds are going to step on Louisiana's neck.

 

[Lursa]

Go learn the difference between a fetus and a child. I suggest a medical dictionary.

A Jr High biology text.

 

[rational anarchist]

Seems like you answered your own question. Still in womb, not child

yes a child in the womb is still a child,,,

no mother ever has said she was pregnant with a fetus,,

thats a word doctors and victims use to justify killing that child

 

[rational anarchist]

Go learn the difference between a fetus and a child. I suggest a medical dictionary.

a child is a catch all word that can be used from conception on past death,,

my child died at the age of 63

I am 6 weeks pregnant with my child

 

[Nomad4Ever]

and science proved a long time ago that life begins at conception,,

So?

Nobody cares about when life begins. A germ is a life. An ant is a life.

Nobody is debating when "life" begins.

The debate has always been when PERSONHOOD begins. When does the clump of cells become a human person. Which is a philosophical question that cannot be answered objectively.

 

[Lursa]

the intentional killing of an innocent child is everyones business,,

and science proved a long time ago that life begins at conception,,

Science recognizes no value for any species, no rights for any life. It's objective. It categorizes, it doesnt weigh.

Value, rights, "business" are all man-made concepts. Who says it's wrong to kill the unborn? What authority? Not the Const, not SCOTUS...who else do women have to submit their bodily autonomy to?

The 14th Amendment starts with "All persons born or naturalized..."

 

[Lursa]

This is not legal, and the feds are going to step on Louisiana's neck.

Only if there's a challenge case and it goes to a federal court.

Fingers crossed.

 

[j brown's body]

yes they do

if all you have is that its none of my busyness you can save your breath,,

the death of innocent children is everyones business,,

Sure. If this we're true, LA's child morality rate wouldn't be so high. Be we all know they don't care or else they'd do something about it. They just want to control women.

Louisiana has the second highest infant mortality rate in the U.S.

79% of Louisiana is medically underserved and Concordia Parish has an infant mortality rate of more than double the national average.

www.knoe.com

 

[Winston]

Well, it shouldn't have, just because some people abuse any potential thing doesn't mean it should be restricted for all. Even K-16 would heavily benefit our country as a whole.
Why exactly have we gone down this absurd polarization?

I don't know. To me abortion should be an issue roughly of equal weight as the death penalty. Take your moral stance on it, but, ultimately does it move mountains politically, no. I would never withhold a vote, or give a vote, based on someone's position on the death penalty. But, the religious right saw an opening, and they exploited it.

Some historical context:

But what happens in the 1970s is, first of all, with the passing of Roe v. Wade, you see a spike in the number of abortions. And that causes many Americans, not just evangelicals, to kind of rethink is this what we wanted? But I think more importantly, you have the rise of second-wave feminism and, in conservative, white, evangelical spaces, a real backlash against feminism. And over the course of that decade, abortion becomes linked to feminism. And so you see the sentiment start to shift so that in 1979, when political activist Paul Weyrich identifies abortion as a potential to really mobilize conservative evangelicals politically, to help build the Moral Majority, then it is a very effective mechanism for doing so. And from 1979 on, that's when you see a real kind of shrinking of space within conservative evangelicalism to have any view on abortion that isn't strictly and staunchly pro-life, life begins at conception.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

yes they do

if all you have is that its none of my busyness you can save your breath,,

the death of innocent children is everyones business,,

A blob of cells is not a child.

Keep your religion to yourself.

 

[rational anarchist]

So?

Nobody cares about when life begins. A germ is a life. An ant is a life.

Nobody is debating when "life" begins.

The debate has always been when PERSONHOOD begins. When does the clump of cells become a human person. Which is a philosophical question that cannot be answered objectively.

NO,,, you dont care when a child life begins/conceived,,

some if us care very much

 

[Lursa]

yes a child in the womb is still a child,,,

no mother ever has said she was pregnant with a fetus,,

thats a word doctors and victims use to justify killing that child

My my, those evil doctors hatin' on the unborn. How can we allow them in our society?

Obviously we cannot trust them, with women, to decide what's best for women's healthcare and reproduction.

 

[rational anarchist]

A blob of cells is not a child.

Keep your religion to yourself.

I dont need religion to tell me killing an innocent child is wrong,,

 

[ColdHardTruth]

NO,,, you dont care when a child life begins/conceived,,

some if us care very much

You clearly do not understand the science behind it.

A blob of cells is not a child. Keep your religion to yourself.

 

[rational anarchist]

My my, those evil doctors hatin' on the unborn. How can we allow them in our society?

Obviously we cannot trust them, with women, to decide what's best for women's healthcare and reproduction.

your surrender is accepted..

 

[ColdHardTruth]

My my, those evil doctors hatin' on the unborn. How can we allow them in our society?

Obviously we cannot trust them, with women, to decide what's best for women's healthcare and reproduction.

Actually, better them than any right-wing loon.

 

[rational anarchist]

You clearly do not understand the science behind it.

A blob of cells is not a child. Keep your religion to yourself.

in this case it is,,
I dont need religion to tell me killing an innocent child is wrong,,

 

[ColdHardTruth]

in this case it is,,
I dont need religion to tell me killing an innocent child is wrong,,

A blob of cells IS NOT A CHILD.

Learn the difference.

 

[Lursa]

NO,,, you dont care when a child life begins/conceived,,

some if us care very much

It's none of your business. For every unwanted or unaffordable unborn aborted, a woman or couple gets a better chance to progress thru their lives, caring for others, working, being loved, supporting other dependents, fulfilling their obligations to others, succeeding, failing, building, creating, contributing...what's all that called? Oh, it's called a life. Living every day...life.

You arent god, who are you to demand what those people must risk in their lives?

 

[Lursa]

I dont need religion to tell me killing an innocent child is wrong,,

Killing children is illegal, in every state...see where your emotionally manipulative wording gets you? It shows you're wrong and driven by your feelings, not law or morality.

 

[Lursa]

your surrender is accepted..

You really do need a dictionary. You should have just admitted you have no rebuttal instead of posting in bad faith.

 

[yukita]

I don't know. To me abortion should be an issue roughly of equal weight as the death penalty. Take your moral stance on it, but, ultimately does it move mountains politically, no. I would never withhold a vote, or give a vote, based on someone's position on the death penalty. But, the religious right saw an opening, and they exploited it.

Some historical context:

Abortion isn't an easy topic, of course. But one issue that non-lenient pro-life individuals is their lack of nuance on the importance of a woman's health and mental health. Thanks for the extra information

 

[yukita]

A blob of cells is not a child.

Keep your religion to yourself.

I'd disagree, but the life of the mother is still significant and important, that's something people with a pure pro-life stance don't get.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

NO,,, you dont care when a child life begins/conceived,,

some if us care very much

You are proposing that personhood begin at conception, which is as I said before a philosophical question with no objective answer.

Nobody argues about when life begins. People are arguing about when personhood begins.

 

[Winston]

Abortion isn't an easy topic, of course. But one issue that non-lenient pro-life individuals is their lack of nuance on the importance of a woman's health and mental health. Thanks for the extra information

Np. Yeah, that comes with the territory when you’ve been told that abortion is murder. I mean, it’s scary stuff. Some on the right would like to see abortion doctors and women prosecuted for murder.