Lou Holtz' Speech: "Biden and Others Who Support Abortion Are Catholics In Name Only". [W:111]

[Mashmont]

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No funding from the US government is used by PP to fund abortions per Federal Law. So no, the government is not pushing abortions.

It’s called ‘fungibilty’. It’s like pouring water in one end of the bathtub then pretending it doesn’t raise the level on the other end.

 

[Mashmont]

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It's pretty well established that Abby Johnson is nothing but a media whore willing to lie for whoever pays the most. Why do you quote people you know we can refute almost instantly with legitimate sources?

Leftwing media has tried to trash her because her expose of PP was so damning

 

[Questerr]

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It’s called ‘fungibilty’. It’s like pouring water in one end of the bathtub then pretending it doesn’t raise the level on the other end.

So for instance, when the US government pays for KC-135's from Boeing, they are actually paying for 777's?

 

[weaver2]

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Leftwing media has tried to trash her because her expose of PP was so damning

Abby has trashed herself and she actually has not exposed anything illegal about PP. She's basically just said they were mean and didn't clean up after procedures to suit her. You are not going to make a case for Abby Johnson any more than you can make David Daleiden into an investigative reporter or any of the other people and reports that Christian conservatives thought were so slick and fool proof that they would ruin PP.

PP, their books, budgets and activities are so carefully tracked, scrutinized, spied upon, monitored and watched by Christian ready to pounce on anything to discredit them that they just are not going to do anything that's out of line. Christians have made up more garbage about PP and almost anything else in the world other than Marx.

 

[Lursa]

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The government funds Planned Parenthood which pushes abortion quotas, as verificed by Abby Johnson. Therefore the government is pushing abortion.

We've already blown away AJ as a legitimate source. She resigned before getting fired and her comments have been negated.

And since she's ALL you have and she didnt even provide data to back up your claim...you might as well give it up. You are just clinging desperately to what you want to believe, since it's the ONLY evidence of your 'hope.'

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[southwest88]

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It’s called ‘fungibilty’. It’s like pouring water in one end of the bathtub then pretending it doesn’t raise the level on the other end.

PP provides family planning, birth control & counseling, & abortion services, upon request. Federal funding can only go to the first two items, except in very restricted circumstances. TX & various states have tried various times to cut PP funding off altogether, & replicate all the services (except abortion, typically for ideological reasons) to the same population that PP typically serves. These wanna-be clones have always failed, TMK.

1. PP approaches its customers as practically a calling - Sanger was always concerned to provide requested services & facilitate what women & families wanted - typically family planning advice, devices, meds.

2. PP always locates near or in the neighborhoods they serve - typically working class, urban. That hasn't changed, although the specific ethnic/religious/racial makeup of the neighborhoods has changed over time.

3. Too often, PP is the only medical resource within reach for the neighborhoods they're in. TMK, PP will try to help; with referrals, if nothing else.

 

[southwest88]

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Leftwing media has tried to trash her because her expose of PP was so damning

The people who go to PP for services go because they trust PP. PP has been there for them through thick & thin - Sanger hired Black nurses & doctors, had community representatives on advisory boards, & would not tolerate racial discrimination among her staff.

I expect that PP customers consider the treatment they receive @ PP over & above media coverage of people who purport to be their saviors, but are curiously absent from the day to day struggle for life in the central cities. That's how people are: they judge situations by their effect on their daily lives.

PP is helpful, & will provide information & services & referrals for medical intervention. What do all the whistleblowers laid end to end provide to the people who look to PP for help, advice, treatment?

 

[Mashmont]

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PP provides family planning, birth control & counseling, & abortion services, upon request. Federal funding can only go to the first two items, except in very restricted circumstances. TX & various states have tried various times to cut PP funding off altogether, & replicate all the services (except abortion, typically for ideological reasons) to the same population that PP typically serves. These wanna-be clones have always failed, TMK.

1. PP approaches its customers as practically a calling - Sanger was always concerned to provide requested services & facilitate what women & families wanted - typically family planning advice, devices, meds.

2. PP always locates near or in the neighborhoods they serve - typically working class, urban. That hasn't changed, although the specific ethnic/religious/racial makeup of the neighborhoods has changed over time.

3. Too often, PP is the only medical resource within reach for the neighborhoods they're in. TMK, PP will try to help; with referrals, if nothing else.

Calling, my butt. PP are money grubbing baby butchers. Abortion is their cash cow and provide nearly all of their non taxpayer revenue. They have abortion quotas.

As for Sanger, she was an atheist leftist racist, and nothing more.

 

[Mashmont]

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Abby has trashed herself and she actually has not exposed anything illegal about PP. She's basically just said they were mean and didn't clean up after procedures to suit her. You are not going to make a case for Abby Johnson any more than you can make David Daleiden into an investigative reporter or any of the other people and reports that Christian conservatives thought were so slick and fool proof that they would ruin PP.

PP, their books, budgets and activities are so carefully tracked, scrutinized, spied upon, monitored and watched by Christian ready to pounce on anything to discredit them that they just are not going to do anything that's out of line. Christians have made up more garbage about PP and almost anything else in the world other than Marx.

Abby was a higher-up at PP who exposed their evil. Now their goal is to destroy her as the left does to anyone who leaves its cult. She is an American hero.

 

[OceanBlues1]

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It's pretty well established that Abby Johnson is nothing but a media whore willing to lie for whoever pays the most. Why do you quote people you know we can refute almost instantly with legitimate sources?

Good question. Why anyone considers Johnson credible on anything is beyond me.

 

[OceanBlues1]

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1. PP approaches its customers as practically a calling - Sanger was always concerned to provide requested services & facilitate what women & families wanted - typically family planning advice, devices, meds.

Exactly. And Sanger was against abortion.

 

[Mashmont]

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Exactly. And Sanger was against abortion.

So you’re defending Sanger for opposing abortion? Cool. I wonder why PP subverted their founder’s wishes

 

[OceanBlues1]

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Abby was a higher-up at PP who exposed their evil. Now their goal is to destroy her as the left does to anyone who leaves its cult. She is an American hero.

In your mind, obviously, certainly not in mine. Johnson hasn't done anything that would give her "hero" status in my book, not by a long shot. In fact, I don't consider her to be credible in any way. IMO she's an expert on lying, and that's it.

 

[OceanBlues1]

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So you’re saying the organization she founded subverts her beliefs?

I don't know whether PP "subverts her beliefs" or not, and I don't particularly care. I do know that Sanger started PP to prevent the occurrence of unwanted pregnancy by providing birth control methods and devices to women who really didn't want to get pregnant. PP still does that (provides BC methods, and at low-cost) today. Many PP facilities don't perform abortions either.

 

[Mashmont]

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I don't know whether PP "subverts her beliefs" or not, and I don't particularly care. I do know that Sanger started PP to prevent the occurrence of unwanted pregnancy by providing birth control methods and devices to women who really didn't want to get pregnant. PP still does that (provides BC methods, and at low-cost) today. Many PP facilities don't perform abortions either.

You don't know? Well it's quite obvious PP subverts Sanger's alleged anti-abortion beliefs, because they are a huge abortion mill.

You sound like you are defending Sanger by pointing out she is anti-abortion. So you obviously admire her for that.

 

[Mashmont]

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In your mind, obviously, certainly not in mine. Johnson hasn't done anything that would give her "hero" status in my book, not by a long shot. In fact, I don't consider her to be credible in any way. IMO she's an expert on lying, and that's it.

Not a hero? Abby stood up to the country's largest abortion mill, knowing they would do everything to destroy her. That took enormous courage.

 

[OceanBlues1]

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Not a hero? Abby stood up to the country's largest abortion mill, knowing they would do everything to destroy her. That took enormous courage.

No, Johnson is NOT a hero, not to me anyway. You can glorify her all you want. As far as I'm concerned, she's a liar and not at all credible.

 

[southwest88]

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Calling, my butt. PP are money grubbing baby butchers. Abortion is their cash cow and provide nearly all of their non taxpayer revenue. They have abortion quotas.

As for Sanger, she was an atheist leftist racist, and nothing more.

Calling - Sanger, she was an atheist leftist racist - OK then. What is your explanation for the absolute failure by various states - TX & others, mostly in the South, mostly (I think) in the Bible belt - to replicate PP services (not abortion, though) to the same population that PP serves? Take your time, I'll wait.

Abortion in the US under Roe doesn't kill babies. & most abortions under Roe are very early in the pregnancy - the fetus is tiny, the medical procedure is relatively safe (compared to pregnancy to full term) for the woman.

Sanger, she was an atheist leftist racist - I don't remember reading about Sanger's religion. She was Irish, & that usually meant Roman Catholic in that time & place. But her father was a freethinker, I think the term was. & the state of her soul is beyond our reach anyway. She may have been an atheist, I don't recall reading about that aspect of her life.

She was Leftist to the extent that she thought women & families should determine for themselves how many children they wanted to have.

I don't think she was racist. She appeared on stage @ fundraisers & speeches & talks with eugenicists, but that wasn't her interest. She did think that people who could afford to have more children & raise them properly should be encouraged to have more children, but she didn't press for the state to have the power to coerce couples having more children.

& she was against abortion.

 

[OceanBlues1]

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You don't know? Well it's quite obvious PP subverts Sanger's alleged anti-abortion beliefs, because they are a huge abortion mill. You sound like you are defending Sanger by pointing out she is anti-abortion. So you obviously admire her for that.

:roll:

 

[Peter King]

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Not a hero? Abby stood up to the country's largest abortion mill, knowing they would do everything to destroy her. That took enormous courage.

1. not an abortion mill

2. destroying is the side she now sides with, last time I checked the pro-choice movement did not bomb pro-life offices and kill employees.

3. nothing courageous about it

 

[Peter King]

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No funding from the US government is used by PP to fund abortions per Federal Law. So no, the government is not pushing abortions.

ooh come on, you cannot use facts, that will fry the pro-lifers brains when they try and push their fake arguments and fake facts.

 

[weaver2]

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No, Johnson is NOT a hero, not to me anyway. You can glorify her all you want. As far as I'm concerned, she's a liar and not at all credible.

Abby Johnson left PP before they could fire her for poor performance. When you are well paid to lie about someone you are not considered courageous. She is absolutely no hero. And she has spent most of her professional life lying about PP.

Former Planned Parenthood employee Abby Johnson's anti-abortion comments under scrutiny after graphic RNC speech

 

[Mashmont]

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Abby Johnson left PP before they could fire her for poor performance. When you are well paid to lie about someone you are not considered courageous. She is absolutely no hero. And she has spent most of her professional life lying about PP.

Former Planned Parenthood employee Abby Johnson's anti-abortion comments under scrutiny after graphic RNC speech

Poor peformance = "Not scoring enough abortions to meet the quota". Abby is an American hero for busting the abortion mill.

 

[OceanBlues1]

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1. not an abortion mill 2. destroying is the side she now sides with, last time I checked the pro-choice movement did not bomb pro-life offices and kill employees. 3. nothing courageous about it.

Agreed, on all points. I see nothing courageous or admirable about Johnson either.

 

[OceanBlues1]

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Abby Johnson left PP before they could fire her for poor performance. When you are well paid to lie about someone you are not considered courageous. She is absolutely no hero.

Exactly. Or credible.