Libertarians Are the New Communists

[Medusa]

How does promoting liberty promote selfishness?

Making the choice to help the poor is so much more important for an individual than being forced to.

It's the choice that changes society, not the force.

you cant have the liberty in a system which may attack you with tear gases ,remember "occupy wallstreet"

and you cant be free when you dont have much money either.

yes l can say without waiting for you to say the same thing

yes of course capitalist system is a selfish system that creates more selfish individuals who cause the social inequality

 

[Harshaw]

Darn, the "no True Scotsman" argument - how can one answer that? :roll:

Oh, please. They didn't get it right at all; that's not a "no true Scotsman" argument. Even they acknowledge they're talking about extremes, and that mainstream libertarians will object.

I did no editing - the headline is exactly what is found on the Bloomberg page.

Of course you did. You posted exactly the part of the article you wanted to.

 

[Thrilla]

On a website where people who proudly wear the label RIGHT LIBERTARIAN are as common as hemorrhoids in a senior citizen home, I would expect the true believers to come out of the woodwork and defend their religion against the heretic. After all, that is how things work here. In real life, the label of LIBERTARIAN on an election ballot is like the skull and crossbones on a medicine bottle. On many political websites, its announcing that you have decided to steal the methodology of the Jehovahs Witnesses but instead of doors are using computers to spread the message.

I thought this part of the piece was especially excellent and hit the nail right upon its head



Amen brother Amen. Oh wait - thats a religions missionary term. Okay - never mind with the amens. Its just a great and very insightful peace that will bring down the wrath of the faithful so they can get their monthly Von Mises merit badges.

wait, you just argued that a bunch of specious partisan speculations without any amount of factual reasoning " hit the nail on the head"?

yup, you're a progressive all right...

 

[reidster]

you cant have the liberty in a system which may attack you with tear gases ,remember "occupy wallstreet"

and you cant be free when you dont have much money either.

yes l can say without waiting for you to say the same thing

yes of course capitalist system is a selfish system that creates more selfish individuals who cause the social inequality

Not sure what you're going on about... What happened to the occupiers is unfortunate but is not an issue with capitalism... more like an issue with police brutality to me.

Why can't I be free without much money? I can still buy what I want, live how I want, quit my job when I want, go where I want, etc... I just need to be smart when making these decisions.

Rhetoric please... Capitalism creates wealth, innovation, freedom, prosperity... The U.S. didn't become a superpower due to our government, but due to our innovation and the rewards one would get for innovation.

 

[Thrilla]

you cant have the liberty in a system which may attack you with tear gases ,remember "occupy wallstreet"

and you cant be free when you dont have much money either.

yes l can say without waiting for you to say the same thing

yes of course capitalist system is a selfish system that creates more selfish individuals who cause the social inequality

you can't be free if you don't have much money?... huh?
so that's why Socialists steal other peoples money to use for themselves( that's not selfish at all :roll... they think money = freedom.


and no, capitalism is not a selfish system.... people are selfish, not systems.

 

[Drake McHugh]

In the times before the era of The One,many lefties like Bill Maher called themselves libertarians. Times have changed,now that they run things I guess.

 

[Thrilla]

Ahhhh - thanks for thinking of me as the leading enemy of libertarianism here. It is a great compliment even if you have to couch in in a pretend insult.

I always knew you were an enemy to individual liberty.....

 

[Bob Blaylock]

An interesting opinion piece from Bloomberg

 

[Medusa]

you can't be free if you don't have much money?... huh?
so that's why Socialists steal other peoples money to use for themselves( that's not selfish at all :roll... they think money = freedom.


and no, capitalism is not a selfish system.... people are selfish, not systems.

again it depends on how they earned this money

who can claim the rich get rich by being fair

 

[Thrilla]

In the times before the era of The One,many lefties like Bill Maher called themselves libertarians. Times have changed,now that they run things I guess.

the only reason Maher ever called himself a libertarian is because he smokes weed.
he has always been a run of the mill liberal.

 

[Medusa]

Not sure what you're going on about... What happened to the occupiers is unfortunate but is not an issue with capitalism... more like an issue with police brutality to me.

yes the brutality of this system's protectors.

Why can't I be free without much money? I can still buy what I want, live how I want, quit my job when I want, go where I want, etc... I just need to be smart when making these decisions.

Rhetoric please... Capitalism creates wealth, innovation, freedom, prosperity... The U.S. didn't become a superpower due to our government, but due to our innovation and the rewards one would get for innovation.

and it helps us communicate wİth each other online too

anything else ?

 

[Dittohead not!]

the only reason Maher ever called himself a libertarian is because he smokes weed.
he has always been a run of the mill liberal.

I don't see how anyone would consider Maher anything but an extreme liberal by any definition.

 

[Thrilla]

again it depends on how they earned this money

who can claim the rich get rich by being fair

what do you mean by " it depends on how they earned this money"?.... and what is your definition of "fair"

 

[Thrilla]

I don't see how anyone would consider Maher anything but an extreme liberal by any definition.

he's been called a radical right winger before too..

I don't think he is "extreme' anything"... he's run of the mill.. his thinking is completely within the confines of the little box

 

[ttwtt78640]

again it depends on how they earned this money

who can claim the rich get rich by being fair

The rich.

 

[Hard Truth]

How does promoting liberty promote selfishness?

Making the choice to help the poor is so much more important for an individual than being forced to.

It's the choice that changes society, not the force.

1. Legitimate freedom ends when it negatively impacts others. Libertarians tend to fail to recognize that reality. For example, they complain about losing their freedom to environmental regulations and ignore the fact that without those laws, other people lose their right to access clean food, water and air when activities that pollute are not regulated.

2. When assistance for the poor is entirely voluntary then it is provided with discrimination (ie. requiring church membership} and is not sufficient to meet all of the need. It also puts the poor in a position where they have to beg.

 

[haymarket]

Oh, thank God. Youre here. I was beginning to worry about you.

Your concern is deeply touching. But never fear, where right libertarianism rears its ugly head, true American patriots will always be there to chop it off.

 

[haymarket]

wait, you just argued that a bunch of specious partisan speculations without any amount of factual reasoning " hit the nail on the head"?

yup, you're a progressive all right...

Those speculations were very insightful.... just as I said they were. The future of libertarianism in America is not a dream - but a nightmare. And the author captured it quite well.

 

[haymarket]

I always knew you were an enemy to individual liberty.....

Only an enemy of faux liberty which is used to seduce the innocent and screw them.

 

[Harshaw]

1. Legitimate freedom ends when it negatively impacts others. Libertarians tend to fail to recognize that reality. For example, they complain about losing their freedom to environmental regulations and ignore the fact that without those laws, other people lose their right to access clean food, water and air when activities that pollute are not regulated.

No, actually, if you want to make a correct argument about rights ending where others begin, environmental concerns are about trespass to property, trespass to chattels, negligent torts, and strict liability. There is no "right" to "access" clean what-have-yous.

2. When assistance for the poor is entirely voluntary then it is provided with discrimination (ie. requiring church membership} and is not sufficient to meet all of the need. It also puts the poor in a position where they have to beg.

That's a lot of "ifs," and it doesn't actually describe a promotion of selfishness. (Besides, I can think of no church which requires membership for access to its charity -- can you cite even one?)

 

[reidster]

1. Legitimate freedom ends when it negatively impacts others. Libertarians tend to fail to recognize that reality. For example, they complain about losing their freedom to environmental regulations and ignore the fact that without those laws, other people lose their right to access clean food, water and air when activities that pollute are not regulated.

2. When assistance for the poor is entirely voluntary then it is provided with discrimination (ie. requiring church membership} and is not sufficient to meet all of the need. It also puts the poor in a position where they have to beg.

If someone pollutes on my property then of course they are infringing on my liberty. Libertarians agree with you. If any sort of those negative affects leak onto someone else's property, then yes, they need to be dealt with.

Why can't I choose to donate via private charity organizations that actually work? Why do you believe initiating force against someone who has not initiated force against you as being "alright"?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

the only reason Maher ever called himself a libertarian is because he smokes weed.
he has always been a run of the mill liberal.

I don't see how anyone would consider Maher anything but an extreme liberal by any definition.

he's been called a radical right winger before too..

I don't think he is "extreme' anything"... he's run of the mill.. his thinking is completely within the confines of the little box

From what I've seen of him, I have to say that to call Mr. Maher a liberal, a conservative, a libertarian, or any other such label is to attribute to him a much greater degree of intelligence and understanding than he has ever demonstrated.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

When assistance for the poor is entirely voluntary then it is provided with discrimination (ie. requiring church membership} and is not sufficient to meet all of the need. It also puts the poor in a position where they have to beg.

You're objectively wrong on this point, of course, but even so…

John 12:6

 

[Thrilla]

Only an enemy of faux liberty which is used to seduce the innocent and screw them.

horsehockey.. you're no enemy to socialism

 

[Thrilla]

Your concern is deeply touching. But never fear, where right libertarianism rears its ugly head, true American patriots will always be there to chop it off.

ironic... the authors who characterize libertarians also think they are true patriots...so much that they wrote a book called "True Patriots" .. and formed a think tank called " the True Patriot network"

seems progressives now think they have the market corned on patriotism.. only they are the True Patriots.


those others who don't believe as we do?....they are the enemy!