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Libertarians Are the New Communists

Fletch said:
And the only rational argument against plantation owners who made bogus arguments was the legitimate libertarian argument for human liberty.
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You can always rationalize why you want your property protected and why you don't want exploited people protected. It's slaveowners, the rich and libertarians do.
 
Thrilla said:
entirely false... nonaggression principle for the win... you know, that little thing that is the very basis for libertarianism.

it's cool to demonize plantation owners for their slavery.... but assigning the wrong label to them does you no favors... it makes you look ignorant.


i'm sorry to counter your rhetoric with facts, but meh, you'll get over it.
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The nonaggression principle is of course bogus and only means you don't want other people's rights protected. You want government to protect your rights.

Total intellectual bankruptcy. And that's libertarianism.
 
Thrilla said:
no, he didn't imply it... you simply mischaracterized what he said.. and we all know it... progressives are always dishonest like that...well not all, but certainly you are.

why would I google plantation owner writings?
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Nope, he implied it. Why else would he lie and say the article "demonized' the rich. You libertarianism and your dishonest rhetoric!
 
Thrilla said:
no, he didn't imply it... you simply mischaracterized what he said.. and we all know it...
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He knows it, too. You just just let him yell into an empty room.
 
Thrilla said:
why do you assume libertarianism becomes anarchy?
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So you want government to protect your rights, but nobody else's. Got it.

There's a word for that: adolescent.
 
head of joaquin said:
The nonaggression principle is of course bogus and only means you don't want other people's rights protected. You want government to protect your rights.

Total intellectual bankruptcy. And that's libertarianism.
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entirely incorrect... try again.
 
jag2594 said:
Yes look at Ron paul.....

Ron Paul - Against Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Hardball Interview) - YouTube
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Ron Paul's racism is well known. He's newsletter included all sorts of ugly racist stereotypes which he tried to play down, unsuccessfully. The head of his campaign used to be a neo-confederate, who claimed Lincoln was a war criminal and slavery wasn't that bad.

Scratch a libertarian and you'll find a good old self-serving desire to discriminate against the weak and powerless.
 
head of joaquin said:
Ron Paul's racism is well known. He's newsletter included all sorts of ugly racist stereotypes which he tried to play down, unsuccessfully. The head of his campaign used to be a neo-confederate, who claimed Lincoln was a war criminal and slavery wasn't that bad.

Scratch a libertarian and you'll find a good old self-serving desire to discriminate against the weak and powerless.
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And they still haven't respond to my post...
 
aberrant85 said:
Not assuming, just want to know where the line is drawn between the two.
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depends on what flavor of libertarianism you are talking about
some libertarians are already anarchists... some are minarchists.... some accept more government, some support less, some support no government

same goes for communism... communism, in it's true theoretical form is .. anarchy ( stateless ,classless society)
so using Marxs theory as a guide.. we'd have to ask .. when does capitalism become anarchism?..answer: after capitalism is transformed into socialism, which is then transformed into communism.

anarchism is not a defining characteristic of libertarianism.
 
head of joaquin said:
Ron Paul's racism is well known. He's newsletter included all sorts of ugly racist stereotypes which he tried to play down, unsuccessfully. The head of his campaign used to be a neo-confederate, who claimed Lincoln was a war criminal and slavery wasn't that bad.

Scratch a libertarian and you'll find a good old self-serving desire to discriminate against the weak and powerless.
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I like how you take kernels of truth and twist it into a false narrative... .that's a skill i don't have, and don't want.. but it's impressive nonetheless.
 
jag2594 said:
And they still haven't respond to my post...
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let me ask you a before i get to your post... is Stalin representative of all communists?.. is Obama representative of all liberals?... is John McCain representative of all conservatives?
 
head of joaquin said:
They won't let the facts get in their way. Basically, libertarianism is bait and switch. They want gummit to protect them, but nobody else. Or they want might makes right. Either way, a totally bankrupt ideology.
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No, they want the government to protect their rights, and everyone elses' rights, just as the Declaration of independence says it should. What they don't want is for the government to protect us from ourselves.

The individual makes his own decisions, and then accepts the consequences for his actions. The government does not make the choices for the individual. Governments tend to make poor choices anyway.

This is not anarchy, but the government doing what it is supposed to do, instead of seeking more and more power.
 
Thrilla said:
let me ask you a before i get to your post... is Stalin representative of all communists?.. is Obama representative of all liberals?... is John McCain representative of all conservatives?
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Fair enough


However does the Libertarian ideology provide safety nets for a country built on racism and discrimination for people of different color?
 
Dittohead not! said:
No, they want the government to protect their rights, and everyone elses' rights, just as the Declaration of independence says it should. What they don't want is for the government to protect us from ourselves.

The individual makes his own decisions, and then accepts the consequences for his actions. The government does not make the choices for the individual. Governments tend to make poor choices anyway.

This is not anarchy, but the government doing what it is supposed to do, instead of seeking more and more power.
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he isn't capable of understanding your points... just sayin'
 
jag2594 said:
Fair enough


However does the Libertarian ideology provide safety nets for a country built on racism and discrimination for people of different color?
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that wasn't a very good question...

first, you didn't specify what flavor of libertarianism are you talking about... libertarianism is a very wide ideology, you'll find different answers depending on what flavor you're talking about.
I'm a Libertarian, but i'm very centrist on the left/right scale .. so i will make arguments in support of some safety nets... others won't be able to support them at all... other will support them, as long as they are not mandated and enforced by the state.
that you think libertarianism is comprised of a single set of beliefs that encompasses all tells me all I need to know about your level of knowledge .

and really, don't load up your question with stuff like " for a country built on racism and discrimination for people of different color"... it just shows your ignorance.
 
Thrilla said:
that wasn't a very good question...

first, you didn't specify what flavor of libertarianism are you talking about... libertarianism is a very wide ideology, you'll find different answers depending on what flavor you're talking about.
I'm a Libertarian, but i'm very centrist on the left/right scale .. so i will make arguments in support of some safety nets... others won't be able to support them at all... other will support them, as long as they are not mandated and enforced by the state.
that you think libertarianism is comprised of a single set of beliefs that encompasses all tells me all I need to know about your level of knowledge .

and really, don't load up your question with stuff like " for a country built on racism and discrimination for people of different color"... it just shows your ignorance.
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No actually it was built on racism and discrimination...
 
Thrilla said:
being opposed to the civil rights act of 1964 doesn't mean one is a racist....
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Yes it does....if your argument is "property rights"
 
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