I just opened a can of worms. Let’s discuss.
Thoughts?
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The words translated “predestined” in the Scriptures referenced above are from the Greek word
proorizo, which carries the meaning of “determining beforehand,” “ordaining,” “deciding ahead of time.” So, predestination is God determining certain things to occur ahead of time. What did God determine ahead of time? According to
Romans 8:29-30, God predetermined that certain individuals would be conformed to the likeness of His Son, be called, justified, and glorified. Essentially, God predetermines that certain individuals will be saved. Numerous scriptures refer to believers in Christ being chosen (
Matthew 24:22,
31;
Mark 13:20,
27;
Romans 8:33,
9:11,
11:5-7,
28;
Ephesians 1:11;
Colossians 3:12;
1 Thessalonians 1:4;
1 Timothy 5:21;
2 Timothy 2:10;
Titus 1:1;
1 Peter 1:1-2,
2:9;
2 Peter 1:10). Predestination is the biblical doctrine that God in His sovereignty chooses certain individuals to be saved.
What is predestination / predetermination? Is predestination biblical? What does predestined mean? Does God predestine who will be saved?
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Unfortunately, this post suffers from clarity. What does it mean, “Predestination is the biblical doctrine that God in His sovereignty chooses certain individuals to be saved.”?
This could mean God is zapping people and upon being zapped people are saved. This could mean God has created some to be robots, preprogrammed to be saved. Such an important topic merits more carefully articulated points.
If your point is any of the aforementioned, then I’m happy to reply verses you refer to hardly supports the notion, “His sovereignty chooses certain individuals to be saved.”
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29 For those whom He
foreknew, He also predestined
to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers
and sisters; 30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.”
Greek foreknew: “to know beforehand.”
God had perfect foreknowledge of “those” (those= who will/wools love him (“those” refers back to a subject matter of v. 28).
For those who love God, He predestined(Greek)= “predetermined something to be/to become”; Those who love God, God predetermined they would be like Christ…where predetermined is a decision made previously…God decided previously that those who love Him would become like Christ…
This honors Christ as a “first” where it was decided long ago those who love God would be like Christ, where Christ and his attributes came first, always was, is, and is to come.
So, He then “called” to these people, sent them a seed. knowing in advance who would hear and freely respond, knowing in advance which soil is fertile for the seed to grow.
Translation of Roman’s 8:29-30: Long ago, before anyone was created, God foreknew those who would freely love Him, which includes love for the Son, and God established those who love the Son are to be given eternal life with the Father and Son.
