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Leaked documents show strong business support for raising the minimum wage

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Well say it aint so!? :2razz: [/FONT][/COLOR]

I have zero doubt the majority of business executives support such a thing.... if a business is large enough ot have executives, it's large enough to handle an increased minimum wage....
it's the little guys and small firms out there who can't compete in the face of increased mandated labor costs, and big business know this all too well..... big business will always support initiatives that give them an advantage in the marketplace, especially if it hurts smaller competitors.
 
I have zero doubt the majority of business executives support such a thing.... if a business is large enough ot have executives, it's large enough to handle an increased minimum wage....
it's the little guys and small firms out there who can't compete in the face of increased mandated labor costs, and big business know this all too well..... big business will always support initiatives that give them an advantage in the marketplace, especially if it hurts smaller competitors.

So why so much animosity towards the fast food workers movement?
 
from what perspective, the fast food owners or the consumers?

From the perspective of those who are against the movement, be them owners, consumers, etc.
 
That, and raise the prices of everything so that nothing really changes.

No evidence for that either. Inflation rates have remained low regardless of minimum wage increases.
 
Minimum wage is all about the low end. Low end jobs and low end wages in places were we are all the time. Fast food, service clerks, mass merchandisers, etc.

The rest of us are only affected by higher prices and inflation, worse service due to fewer people manning stations. You go into a grocery store, and the butcher is manning the bakery, too.

And it's all about adults trying to support families with jobs that kids should be doing.

The state of California finally admitted that it needs to give many employees raises, too.

So, BOHICA taxpayers!
 
inflation isn't a primary driver for prices.

labor costs, however, are.

Inflation is a reflection of prices. If the CPI isn't going up, then overall prices are not going up. Just because a latte goes from $4.00 to $4.25, does not mean that over all consumer prices on goods and services have increased. Its a all wash unless you see an uptick in the inflation rate.

If a company sees an increase in labor costs they can address that by numerous means:

1. They can increase prices on their products and services, but it is still a competitive environment that they are operating in, thus often they cannot do that.

Thus, they usually opt for one or more of the following:

1. They could pursue productivity improvements.

2. The owner or upper management could take a little less money home or see a reduction in their raises year over year (not always a bad thing considering wealth and income concentration - perhaps the CEO ends up with just 380 times his average employees salary rather than 420 times.).

3. They could absorb it with a slightly smaller profit margin (at home care agencies have huge margins for example).

4. They could reduce hours. In this case those earning the minimum wage may well still end up ahead because the increase in wages could very well more than offset the reduction in hours.

5. They could do a combination of any of these things.

However, what we do know is that the low wage job market is pretty stable. Even in the height of a recession you still see plenty of minimum wage jobs in the want ads.

Now, that all said, that is assuming typical increases in the minimum wage. An increase all the way up to 15 dollars an hour is uncharted territory so who knows what will happen.
 
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California Governor "Jerry Brown" signed the California bill while stating that is isn't going to make any difference.
 
California Governor "Jerry Brown" signed the California bill while stating that is isn't going to make any difference.
he also questioned the economic rationale. But the unions wanted it so they got it.

It is not clear if the provision that allows union labor to be paid less as an incentive to unionize to save on labor costs.

The "Pelosi Rule" applies here. "You have to pass it to see what is in it".

The negotiations excluded business voices, and the bargaining chip Senate democrats had was the threat to take it to the voters who would kill it. Can't have voters sticking their noses into state/Union business.
 
This would destroy many of the poor and uneducated, which is the whole point, isn't it? Get them on the government dole and completely dependent on the government?

It would destroy the poor and uneducated to make more money. That makes perfect sense. No wonder you and Fenton are the ones saying it....


(And no, none of those "it will kill jobs" lies).
 
I think most policy makers on the right are against raising the wage on both the state and federal level

Rightfully so. Increasing the minimum wage doesn't only take away the freedom of the businesses to hire people for the rate at which the market pays but it also puts people at of work. On top of that it makes the businesses have to raise prices so that the workers now have to spend there wage increase to buy higher priced things.
 
Rightfully so. Increasing the minimum wage doesn't only take away the freedom of the businesses to hire people for the rate at which the market pays but it also puts people at of work. On top of that it makes the businesses have to raise prices so that the workers now have to spend there wage increase to buy higher priced things.

You do realize that:
1.)The "market" doesnt dominate everything
and
2.)If the minimum wage kept up with inflation it would be around $10 close to $11 an hour
?
 
It would destroy the poor and uneducated to make more money. That makes perfect sense. No wonder you and Fenton are the ones saying it....


(And no, none of those "it will kill jobs" lies).

Businesses will just hire smarter, better employees. If they're paying $15 an hour, they're damn sure going to find help worthy of it.
 
I wish they found out WHY they supported the increase. The numbers matter less to me than the rationale. So curious.
 
I wish they found out WHY they supported the increase. The numbers matter less to me than the rationale. So curious.

There are a lot of questions. For example, the Walmarts would probably like a mandatory minimum wage of $15 per hour because it will put some of their competition out of business, increasing their monopoly - exactly the opposite of what the left would like to achieve.
 
You do realize that:
1.)The "market" doesnt dominate everything
and
2.)If the minimum wage kept up with inflation it would be around $10 close to $11 an hour
?

So why aren't wages rising? Find the answer to that and you may find out why the market forces NEED to dominate.
 
Gee, what a surprise! Better positioned businesses are supporting a measure that would price their small-fry competition out of existence....
 
Back in grad school I was required to read a book called "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlit.
It was eye-opening. Excellent explanations of why govt required minimum wages actually increase unemployment while automation/technology actually decrease unemployment.
An excerpt from the chapter on minimum wage:


https://fee.org/resources/economics-in-one-lesson-2/#calibre_link-41
(This link will allow free access to the full text and easy link access to each chapter/subject.)

Very few unskilled workers understand this point. Minimum wage is driven by gov't ruining everything. Median income for the middle and lower classes has been flatlined forever thanks to bought and paid for policies and laws. If wages were always on pace with inflation this wouldn't be an issue today. The gov't under reports on inflation and over reports in GDP. Who loses? Everyone but those who buy the politicians.
 
I think most policy makers on the right are against raising the wage on both the state and federal level

While I am opposed to the very concept of a minimum wage mandated by government, there is a huge difference between the utterly idiotic federal minimum wage and minimum wages designed locally - on the state, county or municipal level. Mississippi is not Massachusetts. And in Massachusetts, the cities of Weston and Lawrence could as well be on different planets: Make it $15/hr in Weston - nobody will notice; do the same in Lawrence - the few remaining small businesses will croak overnight.

Don't tell Bernie Sanders' supporters, but there is no government-imposed minimal wages in Scandinavia. The wages there are determined by negotiations between unions and associations of employers, and usually county-by-county, industry-by-industry. Flexibility, feedback, common sense.

I am no socialist of any kind, but I can clearly see that there are different kinds of socialism. The one that seeks to impose a universal-anything on the federal level in a huge, diverse, unbelievably complex society like ours is the dumbest sort.
 
So why aren't wages rising? Find the answer to that and you may find out why the market forces NEED to dominate.

Because that would require legislation....
 
Leaked documents show strong business support for raising the minimum wage

right. they only support it if it will reduce competition.
 
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