Largest-Known Lithium Reserve Discovered Beneath Ancient Volcano In The US

[EMNofSeattle]

That sounds like an argument you might hear from the Butter industry.

What’s wrong with butter?

 

[Roadvirus]

Oh cool. Let's go digging deep around major fault lines and super volcanos. [ummm, I dunno... perhaps not?]

There have been many mines around the McDermitt Caldera.

Significant ore deposits are buried in the caldera, including mercury and uranium, which were mined at more than eight sites in the caldera during the 20th century.

McDermitt Caldera - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ModernDiogenes]

There have been many mines around the McDermitt Caldera.

Significant ore deposits are buried in the caldera, including mercury and uranium, which were mined at more than eight sites in the caldera during the 20th century.

McDermitt Caldera - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ok. We certainly have need. I’d just point out we have done these things right and we’ve fine them wrong. I’m just suggesting wrong would be worse in an environment where geographical elements of fault lines and super volcanos are present.

 

[Deuce]

From the article:

However, many are concerned about the risk of lithium exploration in the Mcdermitt Caldera. An arm of the Lithium Americas Corporation wants to build an open-pit lithium mine here with a projected area of 17,933 acres. This plan has been heavily contested by some environmentalists and local Indigenous people, who argue the project will turn their beloved land into an industrialized mining district.​

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“The Caldera holds many first foods, medicines, and hunting grounds for tribal people both past and present. The global search for lithium has become a form of ‘green’ colonialism. The people most connected to the land suffer while those severed from it benefit,” People of Red Mountain, an Indigenous-led organization, said in a statement.​

One has to appreciate the irony here.

People who live there don't want their land torn up? That's not how irony works.

 

[Rexedgar]

From the article:

However, many are concerned about the risk of lithium exploration in the Mcdermitt Caldera. An arm of the Lithium Americas Corporation wants to build an open-pit lithium mine here with a projected area of 17,933 acres. This plan has been heavily contested by some environmentalists and local Indigenous people, who argue the project will turn their beloved land into an industrialized mining district.​

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“The Caldera holds many first foods, medicines, and hunting grounds for tribal people both past and present. The global search for lithium has become a form of ‘green’ colonialism. The people most connected to the land suffer while those severed from it benefit,” People of Red Mountain, an Indigenous-led organization, said in a statement.​

One has to appreciate the irony here.

See the Black Hills of Dakota, Treaty of Fort Laramie 1868.

 

[OrphanSlug]

This is good news for two reasons. One, the potential to bring back onshore some of the work to facilitate supply for all this demand. Two, people will see what it really takes to get Lithium out of the ground and refined for eventual use. This should open up everyone's eyes to the damage done just to get this material out of the ground.

 

[mrjurrs]

No, it doesn’t. You can’t name a single way your life is worse because of carbon emissions, your life is in fact far better because of it

In the world your mind lives in, the one where gas costs what you pay at the tank, you can believe that.

I'm fortunate to have progeny, I'm concerned about more than my life.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

China will still be cheaper, as US environmental regulation will make it expensive to extract and purify.

Just my two cents works. I stick by this opinion.

China is moving away from lithium heavy batteries into LFP and sodium.

Less likely to have runaway fires, and less degrade

 

[EdwinWillers]

That's on you.
There is an expense associated with everything. The cost of that is often quite different. The expense of a gallon of gas (or the destruction of a part of the Earth while mining) is different from the cost of using them.

The cost of a pack of cigarettes is about $5. The expense of using that pack may be your health (or the expense of paying for the healthcare of every American smoker that lives to be 65).

(or perhaps it shows a lack of non-linear thought from the poster...)

No, it's entirely on you. Pithy, puerile explanations of cost and expense only belie the fact that you completely missed the point - for the painfully obvious reason that you are entirely too focused on making your own point instead.

Start your own thread if you want - see if anyone really cares what your silly, off-topic point is. I don't.

 

[Peter]

As a bonus you can also build a lair for an evil villain after you mine all the lithium.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

The planet’s largest-known lithium deposit may have been found hiding beneath an ancient supervolcano along the Nevada–Oregon border in the US.

How extinct is this supervolcano?

We probably don't want to risk triggering an eruption.

 

[beefheart]

How extinct is this supervolcano?

We probably don't want to risk triggering an eruption.

There aren't any levels below extinct.

Just ask the passenger pigeon and the dodo bird, if you could....

 

[Toggle Almendro]

There aren't any levels below extinct.
Just ask the passenger pigeon and the dodo bird, if you could....

Perhaps. But there are erroneous labelings of extinction. Just ask the coelacanth.

And is this particular volcano classified as extinct?

I would want to make very sure that we were not going to trigger an eruption before doing any large scale digging at the site of a supervolcano.

It may not be quite the level of danger of having a particle accelerator trigger a vacuum metastability disaster, but a supervolcano is nothing to mess around with.

 

[beefheart]

Perhaps. But there are erroneous labelings of extinction. Just ask the coelacanth.

And is this particular volcano classified as extinct?

I would want to make very sure that we were not going to trigger an eruption before doing any large scale digging at the site of a supervolcano.

It may not be quite the level of danger of having a particle accelerator trigger a vacuum metastability disaster, but a supervolcano is nothing to mess around with.

Yeah, how many years ago was it labeled extinct? What was the level of science back then?

 

[Toggle Almendro]

Yeah, how many years ago was it labeled extinct? What was the level of science back then?

I don't know. But the point is that such labelings can be mistaken.

That doesn't mean that we can't mine in an extinct supervolcano. It means that we need to make very sure that it really is extinct first.

And more to the point, has this volcano been classified as extinct? All the headline said was that it was ancient. Ancient doesn't mean extinct.

 

[mrjurrs]

No, it's entirely on you. Pithy, puerile explanations of cost and expense only belie the fact that you completely missed the point - for the painfully obvious reason that you are entirely too focused on making your own point instead.

Start your own thread if you want - see if anyone really cares what your silly, off-topic point is. I don't.

Let us know when you choose to return to the world we actually live in.

 

[EdwinWillers]

See the Black Hills of Dakota, Treaty of Fort Laramie 1868.

Relevance??

 

[EdwinWillers]

Let us know when you choose to return to the world we actually live in.

Won't happen - I refuse to live in your "world."

 

[Crakhobarbie]

Good News!

Largest-Known Lithium Reserve Discovered Beneath Ancient Volcano In The US

The McDermitt Caldera is brimming with a metal vital to renewable energy, but obtaining it will come at a cost.

www.iflscience.com

Under the Salton Sea as well.

Study: Salton Sea area could produce enough lithium for 375 million electric car batteries

A new analysis found the Salton Sea region could produce 18 million metric tons of lithium, a key material needed for electric vehicle batteries.

www.google.com

 

[Scatty Kitty]

**** you China.

This isn't a China issue. This is a "maybe we don't want to mine in a Latin American country after the US helped to stage a coup" issue.

"Bolivia has descended into a nightmare of political repression and racist state violence since the democratically elected government of Evo Morales was overthrown by the military on 10 November last year. That month was the second-deadliest in terms of civilian deaths caused by state forces since Bolivia became a democracy nearly 40 years ago, according to a study by Harvard Law School’s (HLS) International Human Rights Clinic and the University Network for Human Rights (UNHR) released a month ago."

Silence reigns on the US-backed coup against Evo Morales in Bolivia | Mark Weisbrot

The Organization of American States had a key role in the destruction of the country’s democracy last November, says Mark Weisbrot of the Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington

www.theguardian.com

 

[Rexedgar]

Relevance??

You were given a head start.

The poster @ #6 was another clue. Do you need more information?

I responded to the part of the post that you bolded.

 

[EdwinWillers]

You were given a head start.

The poster @ #6 was another clue. Do you need more information?

I responded to the part of the post that you bolded.

Both you and poster #6 completely missed the point of my post - completely - and that after you were both given your own head starts, being practically led by the hand to the finish line, where all you both managed to do was fall flat on your faces. Nice job dat.

If you need help with the word "irony" - just holler.

Well, on second thought, don't bother - at this point I doubt either of you will ever get it.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

China is moving away from lithium heavy batteries into LFP and sodium.

Less likely to have runaway fires, and less degrade

Early sodium battery tech was pioneered in the USA in the 1980's and Aquion Energy of the United States came up with the latest iteration of the tech in 2009.
If China is rolling their own, more power to them however I get the impression we may be ahead of the game right now.
But I could be wrong

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Early sodium battery tech was pioneered in the USA in the 1980's and Aquion Energy of the United States came up with the latest iteration of the tech in 2009.
If China is rolling their own, more power to them however I get the impression we may be ahead of the game right now.
But I could be wrong

Electric Cars Powered By Sodium Ion Batteries Go On Sale In China - CleanTechnica

Two electric car models powered by sodium ion batteries went into production in China in late December. It this the start of a trend?

www.google.ca

This year a few Chinese companies will have for sale EVs powered by sodium ion batteries

As 2024 approaches, two Chinese automakers have announced they will have electric cars powered by sodium ion batteries for sale in the new year. According to CnEvPost, JMEV, an EV brand owned by Jiangling Motors Group, will offer a version of its EV3 fitted with sodium ion batteries from Farasis Energy next year. The first of those cars rolled of the assembly line on December 28, 2023.

As for LFP, probably 40% of the new EV market in China is using that technology.

For EV batteries, that are in production CATL and BYD probably produce the best ones currently

 

[Rexedgar]

Both you and poster #6 completely missed the point of my post - completely - and that after you were both given your own head starts, being practically led by the hand to the finish line, where all you both managed to do was fall flat on your faces. Nice job dat.

If you need help with the word "irony" - just holler.

Well, on second thought, don't bother - at this point I doubt either of you will ever get it.

US History isn’t for everyone. It’s ok, we collectively suck at geography, as well. You’re probably in the majority on this……