Landslide: Trump

[rocket88]

If you can't support it with evidence, it's a lie. But, at the end of the day: who did all the rioting? Who defended it? Who condoned it? Hint: not Right wingers.

Not the mainstream ones, but most of the mainstream Democrats didn't either. Remember when the Democratic governor of Minnesota sent in the National Guard?

There are extremists on both sides itching for a revolution. The fact that this is lost on you doesn't surprise anyone. You only care when you can blame Democrats.

 

[rocket88]

No surprise you can't support your argument.

So you're saying that 8 years in office and none of Bush's policies had any effect on anything?

Riddle me this batman: which of Bush's policies stopped it from happening?

 

[Paradoxical]

Kenosha did it. White suburbia may not have cared too much about Portland and Seattle, but now the nonsense has spread to Everytown, USA.

Now in Woodland Hills, which I happen to know is primarily white with very few black people, is at all, we have someone shooting at a Trump caravan. This doesn't bode well for the Dems.

Standoff in Woodland Hills after report of shots at pro-Trump caravan - Los Angeles Times

 

[charliebrown]

Of course, just like the 2007/8 financial crisis was Obama's fault, this too will be Joe Biden's fault. America wants a leader that takes responsibility and leads. Blaming everyone else for the mess your country is in while you're president doesn't persuade anyone.

Obama and Biden's favorite saying was it's BUSH's Fault. Please give me and the rest on this board a break. Did you realize how many excuses Clinton had for losing? They are all the same so don't act like the politicians on your side are any different. They are all low life pieces of S___

 

[MAGAnificent]

when we share the same reality, i'll discuss it with you. until then, it's hopeless.

We are sharing the same reality. We both know that Massive illegal immigration did exist, though it's now under control. We both also know about the present covid 19 pandemic. if you would like a third crisis, the angry left wing mornic mobs burning and looting in the inner cities certainly qualifies. What other so-called realities would you like to add? And I will take your refusal to expound on where and how you specifically think Trump is mismanaging any of these crisis's as your admission that you have nothing to back it up and you are just following other Trump haters.

 

[MAGAnificent]

This is extremely disingenuous. I am referring to the pandemic as a natural disaster, one which the administration has handled rather well.

The common media narrative is that the White House bungled the coronavirus, but it's BS. Trump was ahead of the curve and most of the control is in state and local hands. The travel ban to China was timely and it bought time. he set up the task force, gave it a high profile liaison and a lot of publicity. In February no one had ever heard of Dr. Fauci. There were shortages of tests, masks, ventilators. The administration worked around usual roadblocks to get all of these available in record time. The same is true of the vaccine, which was initially not expected until 2022. Those Governors that heeded the task force guidelines did well, eg Florida, Texas, interestingly California. Those that did not, did less well, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts.

Very well stated.

 

[Helix]

We are sharing the same reality. We both know that Massive illegal immigration did exist, though it's now under control. We both also know about the present covid 19 pandemic. if you would like a third crisis, the angry left wing mornic mobs burning and looting in the inner cities certainly qualifies. What other so-called realities would you like to add? And I will take your refusal to expound on where and how you specifically think Trump is mismanaging any of these crisis's as your admission that you have nothing to back it up and you are just following other Trump haters.

i don't care how you take it. i'm sorry that you decided to throw in with a president who is probably in the running for the most incompetent. don't take my word for it, though. stay alive for the next hundred or so years.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Trump didn't cause any of it. As far as the social unrest goes, that sits squarely at the Left's doorstep.

Yep. The left largely remained silent on the social unrest, even contributed to it, thinking that chaos going into the election would harm Trump. After the DNC convention, they suddenly worked out that the opposite is occurring. I't hurting not just Biden, but the democrats in congress. Now rather then ignoring it, they are attempting to blame it on Trump.

 

[beerftw]

I doubt it is a landslide trump would win by atleast for popular vote, electoral vote landslide is a possibility. Either way in recent days polls trickling out from post convention have not been the kindest to biden, no one knows what internal pollsters for trump and biden are saying but trump is optimistic and biden is suddenly on defense.

rasmeussen on the 25th had biden +1 on general election polls, and emerson who has not been the kindest to trump has biden only +2 without including independate candidates, which from other polls I seen, when the two independant candidates are included in the polls biden loses 2-5 points, like the independant voters are only eating away bidens lead and not trumps base.


Either way you look at it, biden is going through a bad time, the riots look like they are going to cripple biden like horton did for dukkakis, and his basement strategy is failing and it is not even debate times where he has to debate without a coach and a teleprompter next to him off camera to keep him from saying something stupid.

 

[What if...?]

Kenosha did it. White suburbia may not have cared too much about Portland and Seattle, but now the nonsense has spread to Everytown, USA.

Damn.

I was hoping their was about a cliff collapse....

 

[Yakshi]

I think it's a totally bizarre world we live in where Trump's cult followers believe that the decimated economy and social and racial unrest in the streets somehow make the incumbent look good.

America is on fire and in chaos: Trump 2020

Exactly. Horrible things are happening on nearly every front in the country at the moment. Trump bears responsibility for over 180,000 dead Americans, thousands upon thousands of Benghazis, dozens upon dozens of 9/11s.

Despite all of that, it's more than a little amazing that somehow a global pandemic has taken a backseat to some Trump-supporting hill people winning the daily Darwin Awards by taking pepper spray to a gun fight.

 

[MAGAnificent]

It is all up to the electoral college. Right now that is hard to predict. The senate is a different story. Not sure how that will go. That is up to the voters.

The Senate is hard to predict as in this cycle, the republicans have many more vulnerable seats up for grabs. However, if I were a betting man, I would bet on a red wave that will keep the Senate in GOP hands and probably deliver the House to the GOP as well.

 

[beerftw]

The Senate is hard to predict as in this cycle, the republicans have many more vulnerable seats up for grabs. However, if I were a betting man, I would bet on a red wave that will keep the Senate in GOP hands and probably deliver the House to the GOP as well.

Many predicted the reublicans will keep the senate but barely, and that democrats will likely make larger gains in the house, by 2022 likely you would see the senate finally shift democrat, these trends seem to work that way, whoever is president, opposing party wins major gains next 2 elections, by third midterm opposing party gains control, by next election that party wins whitehouse, then that party loses control of the house and senate.


It is like clockwork, it is rare in modern politics that a president has his party in control for more than 2 years, and the same for being directly opposed by the other party having control for more than 2 years, and a whole bunch of shuffling and shifting inbetween.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Dr. Fauci admits Trump saved lives by banning travel from China, then Europe. Meanwhile, Democrats were crying "xenophobe". Biden was as wrong as could be.

That's a very common trait with democrats.....coming out on one side of an issue then flipping when politically convenient and then acting as if that was their stance all along. One past example is all the the democrats who voted to authorize war in Iraq, then flipped three weeks in, when it became apparent that the war would drag on for a while. Same goes with the border wall. They were largely for it and helped pass the Fence Act...then were suddenly against a wall when Trump was elected.

 

[Captain America]

I am on record here, and I still stand by it, that I wouldn't bet a nickel either way. But it sure as hell won't be a landslide by any imagination. (Except, perhaps, to a Trumpkin imagination. Those guys believe the weirdest ****.)

Just out of curiosity, I took a peek over at RCP just to see how much of a convention bump Trump got and where things currently stand.

What freaked me out the most, was that even Rassmussen showed Biden in the lead. (Rassmussen is one of the polls tallied in the overall averages there.) I didn't expect to see that. They have a long history of skewing for the right. Of course, there's always the FOX poll for our rightwing brethren to believe in. But even FOX shows to be a tie. But all the rest of the polls from just about anywhere and everywhere all show Biden leading.

But any Biden supporter that takes comfort in Biden having this thing in the bag, I have one word for you. Hillary.

Do not lull yourself in to a false sense of security. Sure, most folks disapprove of DJT. But that don't matter whatsoever unless they vote. And it's the dems that will need the landslide because anything short of that will have to go up against the right-leaning EC and the predictable protest over election validity if Trump only loses by a few points. (We can surely expect the Trumpkins to dance about and praise the election process if their guy wins. And, if he don't win, they will swear it was fixed by the evil democrat, left wing, deep state, libbo, communists. As sure as the sun rises. So. Get ready for that if Biden does win.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - General Election: Trump vs. Biden

 

[MAGAnificent]

Yes I am sure. This Walkaway 'Movement' is so small I've just heard of it today.

That's what all you libruls claimed about the Tea Party. You laughed it off. It is where the populist movement that elected Trump started. I do believe you will have a more clear headed view of how large the walk away moverment is on election night.

The polls were not wrong last time: Clinton won the popular vote, and polls can really only tell us who is more popular, not who'll take the EC county by county. Trump supporters need to face the fact that for all the Dems' faults, neither he nor his party are broadly as popular.

Desperate rubbish. The pundits were not going by the popular vote polls when they predicted that Hillary was going to win. They went with state by state polls. Did you not pay attention to RealClearPolitics.com? Based on those state by state polls, Hillary took the blue firewall states for granted and put most of her eggs in the Florida race, hoping for an early kill against Trump. When she failed to win Florida, taking the firewall states for granted came back to haunt her.

It may not make a difference to the election in the end but it could answer the question of why everyone seems to be on his back about everything.

The popular vote made no difference because it's meaningless for anything other then bragging rights. There is not popular vote to win as we elect presidents by way of the electoral college. And without California, Trump would have received the most popular votes by a couple million.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Fake news

Did someone mention CNN?

 

[beerftw]

I am on record here, and I still stand by it, that I wouldn't bet a nickel either way. But it sure as hell won't be a landslide by any imagination. (Except, perhaps, to a Trumpkin imagination. Those guys believe the weirdest ****.)

Just out of curiosity, I took a peek over at RCP just to see how much of a convention bump Trump got and where things currently stand.

What freaked me out the most, was that even Rassmussen showed Biden in the lead. (Rassmussen is one of the polls tallied in the overall averages there.) I didn't expect to see that. They have a long history of skewing for the right. Of course, there's always the FOX poll for our rightwing brethren to believe in. But even FOX shows to be a tie. But all the rest of the polls from just about anywhere and everywhere all show Biden leading.

But any Biden supporter that takes comfort in Biden having this thing in the bag, I have one word for you. Hillary.

Do not lull yourself in to a false sense of security. Sure, most folks disapprove of DJT. But that don't matter whatsoever unless they vote. And it's the dems that will need the landslide because anything short of that will have to go up against the right-leaning EC and the predictable protest over election validity if Trump only loses by a few points. (We can surely expect the Trumpkins to dance about and praise the election process if their guy wins. And, if he don't win, they will swear it was fixed by the evil democrat, left wing, deep state, libbo, communists. As sure as the sun rises. So. Get ready for that if Biden does win.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - General Election: Trump vs. Biden

You should look at 538, morning consult and usc/dornsife have been poll spamming, and their numbers are always the same, a variation of more than one point comes in a blue moon. What made me look harder was that rcp flat out refuses to list either, and I wonder why 538 lists them, just following those two it is blatently evident they are doctoring their polls which may be why rcp won't have them.

Many other pollsters there are sampling errors, ie over sampling one group or another, general issues with who is polled ie yougov for example is known for over sampling democrats, but they tend to poll frequently and can have a 2-5 point spread between two polls taken at the same time with the same methodology, and as biased as they are towards oversampling democrats, atleast they are fairly consistent in their methodology and poll heavily to create an average.

Now on state polls do not ever hold your breath, they are the least accurate of any polls as they are the hardest to poll, I need to look it up but some state polls in the past were as far as 38 points off, and to top that off some polls like ohio are few and far between, why in the hell would a swing state like ohio only have a poll once every 1.5-2 months? I noticed this in 2016 as well, michigan and pa were very short on polls, almost like pollsters assumed florida was going to be the only contested state and that the others did not matter much.

 

[MAGAnificent]

I don't know, I just think it's funny how you pass off responsibility without specifics. He had been in office 8 years and it couldn't be him at all. Nothing he did had any effect on anything!

The roots to the 2008 financial crisis go all the way back to 1977. It just took until 2008 for the **** to hit the fan. Bush saw it coming when he took office and sounded the warning bells, however he was powerless to do anything about it without both parties in congress taking it seriously.

 

[MAGAnificent]

I did. Much of it was fake.

Are you dumb enough to believe it?

I am sure you thought the same of the Tea Party.

 

[Captain America]

You should look at 538, morning consult and usc/dornsife have been poll spamming, and their numbers are always the same, a variation of more than one point comes in a blue moon. What made me look harder was that rcp flat out refuses to list either, and I wonder why 538 lists them, just following those two it is blatently evident they are doctoring their polls which may be why rcp won't have them.

Many other pollsters there are sampling errors, ie over sampling one group or another, general issues with who is polled ie yougov for example is known for over sampling democrats, but they tend to poll frequently and can have a 2-5 point spread between two polls taken at the same time with the same methodology, and as biased as they are towards oversampling democrats, atleast they are fairly consistent in their methodology and poll heavily to create an average.

Now on state polls do not ever hold your breath, they are the least accurate of any polls as they are the hardest to poll, I need to look it up but some state polls in the past were as far as 38 points off, and to top that off some polls like ohio are few and far between, why in the hell would a swing state like ohio only have a poll once every 1.5-2 months? I noticed this in 2016 as well, michigan and pa were very short on polls, almost like pollsters assumed florida was going to be the only contested state and that the others did not matter much.

Yeah, I give 538 props too.

I mean, as far as polls go and as much as we can or cannot depend on them, 538 is up there near the top IMO.

I just refer to RCP for an average of all the polls combined, taking in the varied methodology and agendas, throwing it all in one hat, and pulling out the average.

That how we use to judge tournaments. We would have 5 judges. Throw out the highest score, to eliminate bias, and throw out the lowest score, to eliminate prejudice, and then average the 3 remaining. That is the score the contestant received.

But, I say again, to anyone putting their faith in polls. They should know better by now.

 

[Lursa]

Kenosha did it. White suburbia may not have cared too much about Portland and Seattle, but now the nonsense has spread to Everytown, USA.

Since it all happened on his watch and he hasnt managed to do a darn thing about it, not sure how you figure that. Who exactly is he blaming it on?

Dem governors and mayors? The black people and Dems living there dont see your way...they arent going to change their minds to vote for The Donald when they already blame his divisiveness and support for cops.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Kenosha did it. White suburbia may not have cared too much about Portland and Seattle, but now the nonsense has spread to Everytown, USA.

Your evidence?

 

[beerftw]

Yeah, I give 538 props too.

I mean, as far as polls go and as much as we can or cannot depend on them, 538 is up there near the top IMO.

I just refer to RCP for an average of all the polls combined, taking in the varied methodology and agendas, throwing it all in one hat, and pulling out the average.

That how we use to judge tournaments. We would have 5 judges. Throw out the highest score, to eliminate bias, and throw out the lowest score, to eliminate prejudice, and then average the 3 remaining. That is the score the contestant received.

But, I say again, to anyone putting their faith in polls. They should know better by now.

I have been warning for a while not to put faith in them, I plan to support trump this cycle but I keep reminding liberals that biden is not a guaranteed win, saying you plan to vote for him does not mean those same people will get off the butts and vote for him. The best way for democrats to win is to stop looking at it like biden is going to win and instead actually vote and voice their opinion.

 

[MAGAnificent]

i don't care how you take it. i'm sorry that you decided to throw in with a president who is probably in the running for the most incompetent. don't take my word for it, though. stay alive for the next hundred or so years.

One thing we do not share is objectivity. Your take is 100% partisan. In my 66 years, the most incompetent president award goes to Former President Jimmy Carter. That is largely why he ended up a one termer. Trump on the other hand has accomplished more in one term then any other president in my lifetime. Prior to the pandemic, he presided over the best economy in this nation's history. He also presided over record low unemployment numbers, historically low especially with African Americans, Hispanics, Women, etc. He has brought tons of manufacturing jobs back to the US. He has managed to get two US Supreme Court Justices confirmed as well as over 200 federal judges. He has also forced nations like China, Mexico, and Canada to negotiate fairly on trade deals rather then just taking it up the butt on trade deals like previous presidents have done(both democrat and republican). He is also forcing many of our allies in Europe to share more of the financial burden in regards to NATO. And I can give you at least one of many personal reasons I choose to throw in with Trump. As a recipient of Veterans Administration Healthcare, I am vastly pleased with the improvements he has made.