LA immigration protests live updates: 700 Marines deployed to Los Angeles

[Lord of Planar]

While it is true that this shit always happens under Trump presidencies, politically, this will probably be a winner for him and the Republicans. Right or wrong, voters have come to associate Democrats with lawlessness and disorder (which given the 1/6 events, there is a lot of irony to that). The typical voter sees Democratic cities as dens of open drug use, homeless encampments, rampant theft (where even deodorant must be locked up in stores), the constant smell of weed and human feces and so on. Then when you have protests where, yes, only a small portion are violent - but those get the bulk of the news coverage, people are like "Well, see, this is what happens, they are shutting down freeways and the left is doing nothing...".

It is sad that 1/6 happened. But it is far worse that almost all these leftist rallys have torched vehicles and other rather bad vandalism, and the left seems to see their rallys as situation normal, and hold no one accountable, or chastise those doing it.

 

[braindrain]

50% is a "vast" majority?

Not real good with math huh.

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/19/poll-americans-mass-deportation-policies-trump

 

[CaughtInThe]

Well, that one poster that has been calling MAGA a bunch of commies was way ahead of the curve.

He sensed it way before most of us did.

 

[braindrain]

We certainly might not agree where “center” is. Who is in the “political center” to you? The people who agree with you on most issues but just do not voice their adulation of President Trump?



And a majority of Americans thought the Civil Rights marches were too extreme at the time. A majority of Americans were for our involvement in the Vietnam War. A majority of Americans thought the National Guard did the right thing at Kent State against the college students and the students were to blame for the killings. A majority of Americans were for invading Iraq in 2003. The majority of Americans minds were eventually changed on all these issues.

Like I said it is not surprising that you can’t see the center from how far left you are.

Yes just keep telling yourself that you are right and everyone else is wrong.
I am sure if nothing else it helps you feel better.

 

[Irredentist]

When your peaceful protest is shot through with violent agitators, yes. If the protestors are about peace and not simply anti-Government, they'd help the situation by exiting the field and allowing the police to deal with the people who, in theory, the protestors don't want there anyway.

If the "peaceful" protestors want to stay and make gathering the violent rioters more difficult then they aren't really peaceful protestors in the first place.



If "you" are choosing to make clearing the streets of violent rioters more difficult then you aren't reality differentiating yourself from violent rioters. You've just chosen to be their human shields.



The Government is tasked with keeping the piece as well and protecting all of the property and business owners that your "peaceful" protestors are destroying. Do you apply the same logic to riots whose goals you don't agree with? I'm guessing not... otherwise you'd have to blame January 6th on the Capitol police and applaud the National Guard not being on the scene. If you'll notice, the reason that January 6th was over in 3 hours, while the LA Riots continue, is because the actual protestors on January 6th went home.

Your attitude is why riots rarely end without curfews being called and enforced, forcing you to do what I have suggested you should have done willingly. When things start getting out of hand, remove yourself. It's common sense.

Hell, if you really didn't want the National Guard and the Marines on the scene to protect Federal facilities you'd assume you would have obeyed and respected the local law enforcement from the start... but that didn't happen.

I'm aware that there are many who share tangential goals with the Democrats and Progressives who also show up to your rallies with the intent on doing harm. Should I separate them from the rest of you ideologically? Because if you are asking for the courtesy I'll respectively decline. When has your side ever floated the same courtesy?

All resistance is good resistance. Every act of insurrection, no matter how minor, pushes our lines forward. We know that you're going to overreact harshly. We know you're going to call in the military for a crackdown. We want that. We want you to act like the jackbooted thugs that we know you are.

 

[j brown's body]

It is sad that 1/6 happened. But it is far worse that almost all these leftist rallys have torched vehicles and other rather bad vandalism, and the left seems to see their rallys as situation normal, and hold no one accountable, or chastise those doing it.

This is downright comical in its rationalization. As if burning a few cars was more dangerous than trying to overthrow a democratically elected government.

 

[j brown's body]

Like I said it is not surprising that you can’t see the center from how far left you are.

Yes just keep telling yourself that you are right and everyone else is wrong.
I am sure if nothing else it helps you feel better.

Opposing autocracy is now "leftist?"

 

[braindrain]

All resistance is good resistance. Every act of insurrection, no matter how minor, pushes our lines forward. We know that you're going to overreact harshly. We know you're going to call in the military for a crackdown. We want that. We want you to act like the jackbooted thugs that we know you are.

It’s not the people trying to enforce the law that most Americans want enforced that are the thugs. It’s your heroes out there rioting.

But yeah I mean let’s just look at recent history and how all the rioting helped gain support for the BLM movement. Oh wait.

 

[braindrain]

Opposing autocracy is now "leftist?"

You seem really confused. Maybe go back and reread the conversation.

 

[Irredentist]

It’s not the people trying to enforce the law that most Americans want enforced that are the thugs. It’s your heroes out there rioting.

But yeah I mean let’s just look at recent history and how all the rioting helped gain support for the BLM movement. Oh wait.

Derek Chauvin was convicted, and now police officers have to think twice before murdering black men in the street. I call that a victory for BLM.

 

[Lord of Planar]

This is downright comical in its rationalization. As if burning a few cars was more dangerous than trying to overthrow a democratically elected government.

A futile attempt that would never happen. Torched cars not acceptable at all except by scumbags.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

It is sad that 1/6 happened. But it is far worse that almost all these leftist rallys have torched vehicles and other rather bad vandalism, and the left seems to see their rallys as situation normal, and hold no one accountable, or chastise those doing it.

I think trying to overturn the 2020 election is 1000x worse.

 

[Lord of Planar]

I think trying to overturn the 2020 election is 1000x worse.

Except it would have never happened. There was zero chance from their actions. If you think there was a snowballs chance in hall, I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

A futile attempt that would never happen. Torched cars not acceptable at all except by scumbags.

This is a silly argument. A torched car is nothing compared to trying to overturn an election for a government that represents 340 million people. You've lost all perspective.

 

[Irredentist]

Except it would have never happened. There was zero chance from their actions. If you think there was a snowballs chance in hall, I have a bridge to sell you.

You're right, it would never have happened, because we stopped you. And now that your government is threatening democracy once more, we're gonna stop you again.

 

[nota bene]

All resistance is good resistance. Every act of insurrection, no matter how minor, pushes our lines forward. We know that you're going to overreact harshly. We know you're going to call in the military for a crackdown. We want that. We want you to act like the jackbooted thugs that we know you are.

Who is your "we"? For whom do you speak?

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Except it would have never happened. There was zero chance from their actions. If you think there was a snowballs chance in hall, I have a bridge to sell you.

The chances are more than zero, and the intent matters. One torched car is not consequential in any way whatsoever. And you are not accounting for the fact that the chance that Trump would manipulate the present situation and federalize the Guard is now at 100%. You've got everything backward. The rioters are not the real threat, Trump and his authoritarian supporters are the real threat. Trump is a thug who is trying to become a dictator and you're defending him.

 

[j brown's body]

Except it would have never happened. There was zero chance from their actions. If you think there was a snowballs chance in hall, I have a bridge to sell you.

A guy caught failing in his attempt to rob a bank gets to walk?

Skeptical.

 

[braindrain]

Derek Chauvin was convicted, and now police officers have to think twice before murdering black men in the street. I call that a victory for BLM.

And the since the rioting support for BLM has gone down and I doubt you can point out any meaning change in police violence honest black people

But hey I get you have to claim victory wherever you can.

 

[j brown's body]

Who is your "we"? For whom do you speak?

I suspect "we" is defenders of human rights.

 

[Tangmo]

That's true but it was Pence who convinced the Secty of Defense to act absent an order from Trump.

Acting SecDef Christopher Miller the retired Army colonel of intel ops and Gen. Milley the chairman of the JCS and from SpecialOps held the NG back due to their shared fear Trump would try to Trumpize the DC NG into his insurrection. This would create a Constitutional Crisis of the DC NG being ordered by Trump to support the insurrectionists and SecDef Miller ordering the NG to suppress the insurrection.

Remember that only dayze before Trump wistfully said he wanted 10,000 NG and I say wistfully because he knew that would not happen, time enough to secure that many by J6 being a critical factor militating against it.

Once Miller and Milley saw the insurrection dissipating they triggered the Guard to the Capitol which was after Trump had quit on the failed insurrection publicly on TV and by phone text and as the insurrectionists were withdrawing. Pence and Pelosi for all their understandable and justified hysteria were never in any real danger throughout. It was the fact the Capitol was under a violent attack during the electoral vote count that, again justifiably, freaked them out, to include so many others.

If Miller and Milley had thought for a moment Pelosi and Pence lives were under a serious threat they would have ordered in the Army 3rd Infantry Regiment which was positioned deployment ready at Ft. McNair blocks away to include ordering in the two companies of Marine Infantry at their Washington barracks blocks from the Capitol. None of this developed however.

 

[Irredentist]

Who is your "we"? For whom do you speak?

I speak for the rebels who fight against oppressors that abuse their power.

 

[braindrain]

You're right, it would never have happened, because we stopped you. And now that your government is threatening democracy once more, we're gonna stop you again.

You didn’t stop anything. You have delusions of grandeur. But it is funny to watch.

And let’s be honest, we both know all you are doing is playing the internet tough guy while you won’t do a damn thing.

 

[Irredentist]

And the since the rioting support for BLM has gone down and I doubt you can point out any meaning change in police violence honest black people

But hey I get you have to claim victory wherever you can.

Victory or defeat, it doesn't matter. The fight goes on.

 

[Irredentist]

You didn’t stop anything. You have delusions of grandeur. But it is funny to watch.

And let’s be honest, we both know all you are doing is playing the internet tough guy while you won’t do a damn thing.

I was there for the BLM protests. Regrettably, I cannot be there in LA. But I will voice my support from here.