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LA immigration protests live updates: 700 Marines deployed to Los Angeles

So random question - where are they planning on putting these marines and NG for the duration of their activation in LA?

I’ve seen NG soldiers sleeping/laying on the floors of the one federal building.

Now we are going to add hundreds more between the marines and NG?

Are they going to sleep on the floors also?

For how long?


They can’t do law enforcement. They’re all just going to continue to stand around and “guard” a couple buildings?

That’s the plan here?
 
LostInSeattle said:
Why are MAGAs cheering on Trump's desire to escalate rather than advocating for de-escalation?
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Simple answer, because they hate immigrants. Did they hate immigrants this much before Trump? No, they really didn’t. But after years of conditioning to hate all those “dirty, murdering immigrants”, they hate all immigrants, even the poor guys trying to get some day work at Home Depot. Those people aren’t murderers and rapists. They are husbands and fathers trying to earn a living to pay for their rent and food for their families. But in the MAGA mindset, they are all murderers and rapists, and need to be taken away from this country.
 
Michael Cole said:
Four square blocks in a city of 3.8 million. Anarchy. Smdh. This is why Trump called MAGA poorly educated.

This started because ICE, dressed for combat and masked, chased workers in a Home Depot parking lot. What happened to the rapists, murderers and drug dealers?

It would seem the people of LA don't like Nazis. Take the Nazi shit elsewhere. When Bass and Newsom need Nazi help, they'll call Trump.
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Excuses.. excuses...
 
Tangmo said:
Pence and Pelosi pleaded, begged, urged, insisted, demanded but were ignored because they have zero command authority over the armed forces. Only the C'nC and SecDef can issue an order to the USA armed forces, no one else or other than.
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That's true but it was Pence who convinced the Secty of Defense to act absent an order from Trump.
 
HumblePi said:
Simple answer, because they hate immigrants.
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You forgot the adjective "illegal." Without the correct adjective your statement is a lie.

Just trying to help. You do know the difference, don't you?
 
Lord of Planar said:
You forgot the adjective "illegal." Without the correct adjective your statement is a lie.

Just trying to help. You do know the difference, don't you?
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Trump have spread racist rumours about hard working legal immigrants that contribute to their local communities.


He also now want to deport hundred of thousands of legal immigrants that contribute to their local communities.

www.bbc.com

Supreme Court allows Trump to revoke legal status for 500,000 migrants

The ruling means 530,000 migrants from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua and Venezuela are at risk of being deported.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

Also that people that legally entered the US and have no criminal record have been sent to a horrific prison in El Salvador.

 
Lord of Planar said:
You forgot the adjective "illegal." Without the correct adjective your statement is a lie.

Just trying to help. You do know the difference, don't you?
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Well…because there’s really no such thing as an “illegal”

People aren’t illegal.

What their current immigration status is can vary wildly - and for a miriad of reasons.

🤷‍♀️

Actually understanding that is the key to having an actual informed debate and discussion regarding the topic.

Something you have yet to demonstrate.
 
Lord of Planar said:
You forgot the adjective "illegal." Without the correct adjective your statement is a lie.
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Do you think this fools anyone?

Lord of Planar said:
Just trying to help. You do know the difference, don't you?
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According to MAGA, illegals are identified by standing in a Home Depot parking lot and waving a Mexican flag.

Your snark is revealing and self-defeating.
 
Phys251 said:
The ****? Citizens of the US are not our enemies. This is dictatorial bullshit.
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"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people." --- Adm. William Adama, Battlestar Galactica
 
Bergslagstroll said:
Trump have spread racist rumours about hard working legal immigrants that contribute to their local communities.


He also now want to deport hundred of thousands of legal immigrants that contribute to their local communities.

www.bbc.com

Supreme Court allows Trump to revoke legal status for 500,000 migrants

The ruling means 530,000 migrants from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua and Venezuela are at risk of being deported.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

Also that people that legally entered the US and have no criminal record have been sent to a horrific prison in El Salvador.

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Keep crying. No problem for me.

Why do people from south of the border countries have fear? I am not aware of any except those who are gang members or are part of illegal drug activities, human traffickinf, etc. Are you? If so, please enlighten us. They may have no known criminal activity, but do any of them have a legitamate asylum claim? Being a gang member is illegal and punishable to be in prison in some of these countries. We should not protect criminals.

I believe the statistic is at 80%, those allowed in claiming asylym di not even take the necessary next steps. This automatically makes them subject to be deported, without any special ruling saying a legat status can be revoked.

I will not pretend to know the indivdual cases or actions being taken, but I do know the leftist agenda is filled with lie after lie. Therefore, I default to the position that those taken into custody are rightfully being deported.

I challenge you to prove otherwise.
 
Michael Cole said:
Do you think this fools anyone?


According to MAGA, illegals are identified by standing in a Home Depot parking lot and waving a Mexican flag.

Your snark is revealing and self-defeating.
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Believe as you wish.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Believe as you wish.
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Ho hum. Such a boring surrender. Trump wants you to fight for fascism.

These aren't beliefs. I've read multiple posts here making the claims I cited. Perhaps you were one? ICE did chase people through a Home Depot parking lot. Facts. Not beliefs.
 
While it is true that this shit always happens under Trump presidencies, politically, this will probably be a winner for him and the Republicans. Right or wrong, voters have come to associate Democrats with lawlessness and disorder (which given the 1/6 events, there is a lot of irony to that). The typical voter sees Democratic cities as dens of open drug use, homeless encampments, rampant theft (where even deodorant must be locked up in stores), the constant smell of weed and human feces and so on. Then when you have protests where, yes, only a small portion are violent - but those get the bulk of the news coverage, people are like "Well, see, this is what happens, they are shutting down freeways and the left is doing nothing...".
 
braindrain said:
The funny part is you don’t recognize the center because of how far left you are.
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We certainly might not agree where “center” is. Who is in the “political center” to you? The people who agree with you on most issues but just do not voice their adulation of President Trump?

braindrain said:
And guess what the vast majority of Americans agree with my view on illegal immigrants and not yours.
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And a majority of Americans thought the Civil Rights marches were too extreme at the time. A majority of Americans were for our involvement in the Vietnam War. A majority of Americans thought the National Guard did the right thing at Kent State against the college students and the students were to blame for the killings. A majority of Americans were for invading Iraq in 2003. The majority of Americans minds were eventually changed on all these issues.
 
Rules on the Use of Force apply in domestic deployments of the USA armed forces on American soil. Rules on the Use of Force are RUF. It's also SRUF meaning Standing Rules on the Use of Force which would apply in LA.

Here from the National Defense University at Ft. Leslie J. McNair in the Military District of Washington DC is a comparison and contrast of the Rules on the Use of Force for the USA armed forces to RUF used by civilian LEO and LEA in criminal law. LOAC in the text refers to the Law of Armed Conflict which is the expertise of the armed forces.

U.S. Military Use-of-Force Training for Security Cooperation​


There are significant differences between LOAC and criminal law. Under LOAC rules, once an opponent is declared an enemy combatant, he or she could be targeted immediately until considered hors de combat. Militaries use overwhelming firepower to crush the fighting spirit or warfighting capacity of an opposing force. LOAC rules are much more permissive regarding the use of force. There is no requirement to capture or arrest. Lethal force could be used as a first resort. Captured or disabled enemies are not necessarily entitled to due process, a speedy trial, or legal representation.

In contrast, under criminal law, the suspect could be targeted [by civilian LEO & LEA] only if he or she is posing a significant threat of death or serious injury. Lethal force should be considered the last resort, and only a “clear and imminent threat” justifies deadly force. Law enforcement officers are required to attempt to detain the suspect before using lethal force—that is, capture, not kill. If circumstances permit, police officers are obliged to give a clear warning of their intent to use force with sufficient time for the warning to be observed before resorting to lethal force. Police should also use escalation of force tactics and crisis intervention techniques before resorting to more aggressive actions. According to criminal and human rights law, detained suspects are entitled to certain civil and political rights: due process, to be informed of their rights, the right to counsel or a lawyer, the right to a fair trial, and presumption of innocence, among others. They cannot be held arbitrarily or for an excessive amount of time without trial.



In other words military training to fight wars does not create a mindset that is suited for the standard garden variety of an urban civil disturbance. The military is not trained to read the enemy combatant his rights before the battle begins or upon being captured -- this would be absurd and is not a thought. Solving the problem with immediate and sudden overwhelming firepower is what the military does and no one outdoes the USA armed forces in this respect. And so on.


"Generally speaking, Marine infantry units focus on lethal force as opposed to less-than-lethal force, so they are typically not trained or equipped to deal with civil disturbances," said retired Army Lt. Gen. Russel Honoré, who led military relief efforts following Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

Everything about Trump and the military goes against the grain of USA civil-military relations since 1775. Trump is in fact radically opposed and oblivious to 250 years of the USA military culture. Indeed, the military is not a democracy so the USA can be the democracy it's been since the Founders creation.
 
ALiberalModerate said:
While it is true that this shit always happens under Trump presidencies, politically, this will probably be a winner for him and the Republicans. Right or wrong, voters have come to associate Democrats with lawlessness and disorder (which given the 1/6 events, there is a lot of irony to that). The typical voter sees Democratic cities as dens of open drug use, homeless encampments, rampant theft (where even deodorant must be locked up in stores), the constant smell of weed and human feces and so on. Then when you have protests where, yes, only a small portion are violent - but those get the bulk of the news coverage, people are like "Well, see, this is what happens, they are shutting down freeways and the left is doing nothing...".
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Absolutely sees his provoking violence is a political winner.

But he has overestimated support for his brutality against immigrants before.

We can only hope it happens again.
 
TamleeB said:
I don’t believe I mentioned Obama, Clinton or GW? What an odd statement. Anywho….our open borders have led us to where we are now. ;)
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What does that even mean, 'open borders'? Do you guys even know? I've crossed those borders, the north and the south, and no, they are not 'open'.
That's just a bullshit term made up to get the magatry mad.
 
braindrain said:
The funny part is you don’t recognize the center because of how far left you are.

And guess what the vast majority of Americans agree with my view on illegal immigrants and not yours.
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Depends on the poll. This NPR/Ipsos poll goes deeper than general support for deportation policy.


None of the questions under "Do you support each of the following immigration-related proposals?" received a majority "yes." Americans may support deporting illegal immigrants, but they don't support the methods being used.
 
Chomsky said:
B.S. You're stating peaceful protesters need to stand down, because you fear the government cannot differentiate peaceful protestors from violent protestors, and will infringe upon the peaceful protestors' rights?
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When your peaceful protest is shot through with violent agitators, yes. If the protestors are about peace and not simply anti-Government, they'd help the situation by exiting the field and allowing the police to deal with the people who, in theory, the protestors don't want there anyway.

If the "peaceful" protestors want to stay and make gathering the violent rioters more difficult then they aren't really peaceful protestors in the first place.

Chomsky said:
That's not the way it works. It's the government's job to make sure they are not infringing upon peaceful citizens. It's not our job, to lay aside our rights for government's convenience.
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If "you" are choosing to make clearing the streets of violent rioters more difficult then you aren't reality differentiating yourself from violent rioters. You've just chosen to be their human shields.

Chomsky said:
This is not about the protestors, jmotivator. It's about the government. Don't let them off so easily. They work for us, not the other way around.
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The Government is tasked with keeping the piece as well and protecting all of the property and business owners that your "peaceful" protestors are destroying. Do you apply the same logic to riots whose goals you don't agree with? I'm guessing not... otherwise you'd have to blame January 6th on the Capitol police and applaud the National Guard not being on the scene. If you'll notice, the reason that January 6th was over in 3 hours, while the LA Riots continue, is because the actual protestors on January 6th went home.

Your attitude is why riots rarely end without curfews being called and enforced, forcing you to do what I have suggested you should have done willingly. When things start getting out of hand, remove yourself. It's common sense.

Hell, if you really didn't want the National Guard and the Marines on the scene to protect Federal facilities you'd assume you would have obeyed and respected the local law enforcement from the start... but that didn't happen.

I'm aware that there are many who share tangential goals with the Democrats and Progressives who also show up to your rallies with the intent on doing harm. Should I separate them from the rest of you ideologically? Because if you are asking for the courtesy I'll respectively decline. When has your side ever floated the same courtesy?
 
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